Early Halibut Opening

[Gong Show]

Okay, no more PUI from me.

 

[Capt_Ed]

Yes, allocation of the resource.



Active commercial fishermen like owner operator. Commercial interests like leasing.



If only active commercial fishermen can have quota, it would free up TAC for recreational.



As long as quota is leasable, strong

interests will oppose TAC reallocation.



It's a pipe dream, but it would give active fishermen, commercial and recreational, more quota.

You do realize that the quota that get leased out is and always has been part of the original 88 and now 85 percent of Commercial quota. If leasing goes away it doesn’t mean that quota is up for grabs. Its still commercial quota

 

[ziggy]

So the issue is not with leasing quotas, because it doesnt matter who owns the quota or who leases it. It is the fact that the commercial allocation is too large and the rec/sporty allocation is too small.

That’s not my perspective mine is it’s 100% about who owns the quota. Not the Commercial fisher and not the public Fisher, corporations and former Commercial fisherman milking a cash cow. It would be beneficial monetarily for the commercial fisher and as well as maybe open opportunity for the public sector if this was changed. Why should people who don’t fish own and rent out public property! Where else does the government do this?

 

[Whole in the Water]

Yup that is why the unfair and illogical bias benefiting the commercial sector or the public fishery needs to end and change the allocation to at least 75/25. This would be much better for local economies as the public fishery generates at least 2-3 times more money per pound over the commercial sector. Just makes basic economic sense.

 

[ship happens]

Yep its like owning real estate

 

[Hardy Guy]

That’s not my perspective mine is it’s 100% about who owns the quota. Not the Commercial fisher and not the public Fisher, corporations and former Commercial fisherman milking a cash cow. It would be beneficial monetarily for the commercial fisher and as well as maybe open opportunity for the public sector if this was changed. Why should people who don’t fish own and rent out public property! Where else does the government do this?

Dairy quota, egg quota, TFL licenses, private forest land awarded decades ago, other species fisheries quotas ..... I'm sure there is more but you get the idea.

 

[ship happens]

Yup that is why the unfair and illogical bias benefiting the commercial sector or the public fishery needs to end and change the allocation to at least 75/25. This would be much better for local economies as the public fishery generates at least 2-3 times more money per pound over the commercial sector. Just makes basic economic sense.

The whole problem is the sport side doesn't record enough catch. That's the main and probly biggest problem with how to manage the TAC for the sport side. Fix that one and I'd say you fixed

The whole coast dropped to boot. That one can't be fixed as easy without conservation in place. Tough gig

 

[Gong Show]

You do realize that the quota that get leased out is and always has been part of the original 88 and now 85 percent of Commercial quota. If leasing goes away it doesn’t mean that quota is up for grabs. Its still commercial quota

I know, it's hard to express a complicated passion subject in a few sentences.
It would be a complete rationalization in my pipe dream.

 

[Whole in the Water]

Dairy quota, egg quota, TFL licenses, private forest land awarded decades ago, other species fisheries quotas ..... I'm sure there is more but you get the idea.

Yup and some quota systems work and some don’t. The halibut quota need to change to 80/20 allocation - more than a fair allocation with greater economic benefits for the BC economy which we are going to need more than ever now!

 

[ship happens]

Still have to record your catch in which a large number of sport does not. Irec is a joke. Need a better way. Tags might be the way. Don't know. Want to go kill a hali? Buy a tag. At least then it's recorded. Not all fishers want to catch hali.

 

[ziggy]

Dairy quota, egg quota, TFL licenses, private forest land awarded decades ago, other species fisheries quotas ..... I'm sure there is more but you get the idea.

really so when retire from farming you can lease the right to farm to the new Farmers? They raise and feed the chickens and pay you annually for the privilege? Pay you for the right to run a dairy herd? All of this at no cost to you and a constant income from cows and chickens you never owned. Seems pretty screwed up to me.

 

[Hardy Guy]

I didn't make the rules. I just answered the question. I also forgot : cunarard duck and napke syrup.

 

[SG2.0]

Let me put this in terms that are little more relevant to the times . In the beginning Canada and the USA came to an agreement on trade issues and who should get what and how much, a negotiation if you will. Now Trumpy needs more so he starts whining and trying to change the deal.
In case you havent figured it out yet, if you think 85/15 should change........your Trumpy.

I swore to the mods I’d be nice on here now. But you’re making it really hard….

 

[SG2.0]

Need from 85-15 to 75-25. But thing is. When negotiations start we have to make our ask 70-30 as we won’t get what we ask for but something in between. I’ve said to those involved I’d be happy to be involved the talks with government. But Cpl of the old boys club don’t like me so can’t even get on Sfab Hali working group

 

[ship happens]

Simple, count your fish. Which is what TAC is. Then count your fish again when you catch them. If the resource can only produce so many fish then that's how many fish you get before conservation is in concern. Count your fish. Noone wants to hear it. But that's how you sustain any type fishery.

 

[wildmanyeah]

The easiest thing to do would be allow rec operators to buy quota the paybacks not great on it as think it’s over 10 times the lease rate but it would be the easiest solution.

No different than the government buying it to give to the natives

 

[ship happens]

"Whales are eating a **** load and getting way smarter"

"It would be real hard to put a # on the lbs, probly would want to see it "

I was listening when I heard that from a reliable source

 

[Capt_Ed]

I swore to the mods I’d be nice on here now. But you’re making it really hard….

I'm not trying to **** people off, just trying to get people to get all the info past and present so they can make informed comments on this issue.

 

[Bod]

The easiest thing to do would be allow rec operators to buy quota the paybacks not great on it as think it’s over 10 times the lease rate but it would be the easiest solution.

No different than the government buying it to give to the natives

You can do this. Quota is bought/sold and leased every day.

 

[Doug]

Everyone is all over the place and did they attend any of the meetings?
People need to attend the meetings and get the facts, listen to what others are saying and ask questions.

Show solidarity of 25 of the same old people attending really doesn't reflect the thousands of licenses sold in the Victoria area. Consider, if you had a meeting and only a few attended you would assume there ares no concerns. The few that attend the meeting do voice their concerns but consider 25/2500(?) =1%

I know for a fact that most of the SFAB members are not reading this form.

I think there is a process to be followed in order to advise DFO of your concerns and that is to go to the meeting and then go through SFAB or the Ground fish working group.

When the next Victoria meeting comes up. I will post up the date, time and location. Come to the meeting, SFAB , DFO and 20 to 30 fisherman will be there.