Early Halibut Opening

SG2.0 said:
Don't mind different area openings, I don't believe the fleet is as mobile as some make it out to be. Someone isn't going to pull a 26ft boat 6 hours up island for one halibut when they had months of open halibut down south.
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Probably most of the fleet isn't that mobile, but TC, Port McNeil and Hardy are full of boats that trailer up island to fish salmon, halibut, lings, etc. My wife and I cruise and fish in that area for up to 30-40 days a year. All the halibut I've ever caught have been in area 12 - and I'm from Victoria. But I don't just go to catch halibut. Lots of sea mammals, salmon and halibut are a bonus.

I'd support fighting for an increased share of the catch, and a lower annual limit makes sense to me, but I don't understand enough to know why that hasn't been recommended.
 
ship happens said:
There are fundamental problems with this whole situation.

First one is who needs to bonk 10 halibut in a year? Noone needs that much per licence holder.

Second one. How can you tell a licence holder they are allowed 10 fish yet only one fish in possession? It's like a backward trick for fisheries managment. Then say we'll it's only open during this specific time.

Be way better off for everyone if they based the yearly licence holder limit based on TAC. So let's say everyone is allowed 3 fish. Who cares when you go get them. Should be able to go get those fish all at once or however you want.
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Again, please read earlier in this thread, the 10 halibut allowance makes zero difference to amount we catch. So reducing it does ZERO to help us.
 
Eden Island said:
Probably most of the fleet isn't that mobile, but TC, Port McNeil and Hardy are full of boats that trailer up island to fish salmon, halibut, lings, etc. My wife and I cruise and fish in that area for up to 30-40 days a year. All the halibut I've ever caught have been in area 12 - and I'm from Victoria. But I don't just go to catch halibut. Lots of sea mammals, salmon and halibut are a bonus.

I'd support fighting for an increased share of the catch, and a lower annual limit makes sense to me, but I don't understand enough to know why that hasn't been recommended.
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IT DOESN'T HELP US! That is why. Annual limit reducing doesn't make ANY difference in slowing our consumption of TAC... *pounds head against wall*
 
SG2.0 said:
IT DOESN'T HELP US! That is why. Annual limit reducing doesn't make ANY difference in slowing our consumption of TAC... *pounds head against wall*
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I keep hearing that. I just haven't read a simple explanation.

In my simple brain, if we reduced annual limit to 0, we would catch 0 fish. Somewhere between 0 and 10 is a number that doesn't use up the allowable catch, other factors being equal.
 
We should be progressive with our fisheries managment. However it's allocated right now clearly isn't working. Super confusing and very inefficient imo.

@SG2.0 To go re-read 500 replies in this thread is no happening. So much chit chat and @Eden Island is kinda right. There has not been a simple explanation whatsoever on this thread.
 
Whole in the Water said:
Totally wrong in many peoples minds!!! Buying quota is privatizing a common property resource that belongs to all Canadians. It supports a very dangerous and negative trend to further reducing the right of all Canadians to go and catch a fish that already belongs to them. If you don't believe go and try to catch a salmon or cod on the east coast. People who buy quota for rec fishing should be named and shamed IMH!!
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I think you hit the nail on the head when you said privatizing common property. That’s exactly what the leased quota already is. I have no problem with commercial guys that fish, having quota , but not those who don’t leave the living room!
Issue now is that quota was privatized, it is not common property and will never become public again because it’s the gift that keeps on giving. As for buying it, it really doesn’t matter, unless we believe by not buying somehow it will be magically returned to the government for reallocation. Would be great if that happened, but I currently don’t see it happening?
 
Let me ask this....when are we REALLY going to get pissed off and serious about not accepting year after year of always more bad news? For all of our west coast fisheries not just halibut. When was the last time we went into spring meetings with optimism and good news with some substantial reversals of cripilling restrictions? Existing problems need to be fixed not just talked about and then shelved, hoping it will go away. I'm not up for buddying up to the incompetent top brass of DFO either who obviously don't care..they get paid regardless. The only time in my close to 40 years involved in the politics of fish management that DFO had a healthy fear of our sector and bent when they had to was during the years of Bob Wright, Jimmy Gilbert, Tom Davis, Rob Waters and others of that period. They were a serious force who weren't afraid to make waves when needed and DFO knew it. Now its First nations and the NGO's who hold the heavy stick while we lobby them with a nice free lunch over our chance to explain truths, science and facts. Well they don't care about that....they are politicians!!!!. I know this will ruffle feathers of some...good...now direct that where it is needed. Just how I feel.
 
The ocean rec fishery is dominated by anglers that go out once or twice a year with guide or to a lodge. I have never once seen this type of angler show up to a meeting or a protest or be involved in any way.

Times have changed
 
wildmanyeah said:
The ocean rec fishery is dominated by anglers that go out once or twice a year with guide or to a lodge. I have never once seen this type of angler show up to a meeting or a protest or be involved in any way.

Times have changed
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Ok, if this true then all the more that the ardent and passionate rec anglers (public fishers) need to unite, organize and get political to make some needed changes for the public fishery!!!
 
Whole in the Water said:
Ok, if this true then all the more that the ardent and passionate rec anglers (public fishers) need to unite, organize and get political to make some needed changes for the public fishery!!!
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Not to be a downer but do you really expect someone who has a couple of kids, full time time job, kids in sports like hockey or soccer who struggle to make out fishing a few times a year to turn around and spend hours volunteering. It’s a hard ask
 
wildmanyeah said:
The ocean rec fishery is dominated by anglers that go out once or twice a year with guide or to a lodge. I have never once seen this type of angler show up to a meeting or a protest or be involved in any way.

Times have changed
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Very very true and this wears out the few guys who put in all the time and effort year after year and then not see the ranks supporting them. I'm not ragging on anyone for lack of try, smarts or their passion to make things better...I just personally think we had more effect on positive results when we put fear into DFO. Politicians don't like being embarrassed by being on the wrong side of an issue or being perceived as inept or crooked. Would those guys I mentioned from the past as an example have sat back quietly for the 25 plus years of coho restrictions with no end in sight? Not a chance.
 
wildmanyeah said:
Not to be a downer but do you really expect someone who has a couple of kids, full time time job, kids in sports like hockey or soccer who struggle to make out fishing a few times a year to turn around and spend hours volunteering. It’s a hard ask
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Don't think you understood my post - I said ardent passionate anglers and there are plenty of those around who need to start volunteering their time if we want to see things improve for the public fishery. I have and others can to. Now is the time!
 
It is a tough one to get unity on. Rec anglers, local guides and big lodges all have different agendas and want what is best for their user group. We love to fight amongst ourselves.
If it were a conservation issue we may be able to agree but this is an allocation issue. We need to focus on that. How can we get back the quota being held by private owners and move it to those who want to fish it? I hate the idea of buying it back but also hate the idea of never ending lease. Experimental Lease Program is not a sustainable solution.
 
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