Halibut Daily Limit Reduced Again on Sept. 20

Eden Island

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Fisheries Notice -

FN0971-Recreational - Fin Fish (Other than Salmon) - Halibut - In-season Update on Daily Limit​


Effective 00:01 hours on September 20, 2024 until 23:59 hours on December 31, 2024:

The daily limit will be one (1) halibut per day.

The possession limit for Halibut is EITHER of:

---- one (1) Halibut measuring 85 cm to 126 cm in length (65 cm to 97 cm head-off),

OR

---- two (2) Halibut, each measuring under 85 cm in length (65 cm head-off).

No person shall retain a Halibut greater than 126 cm head-on length (97 cm head-off). Head-off measurements are made from the base of the pectoral fin at its most forward point to the extreme end of the middle of the tail.
 
A friend worked on a Halibut commercial vessel this past season of Haida Gwaii. Apparently filled the boat. Aching arms from clubbing all day every day.
 
August preliminary estimates noted a significant increase in catch. Current trends indicate we could be heading towards a small overage. Also note effort measured in boat days is up over the 5 year average by over 22,000 days (coast wide).

Because any overages this season are deducted from the 2025 TAC we will eventually have next season, the decision was taken to continue fishing while DFO double checks the estimate data, but take steps to mitigate effects of the potential overage by going back to 1 per day possession limit on the under 85cm. We do have a provision which allows us to go over the assigned TAC, but overages are deducted from the following season's TAC, and by policy DFO limits overages to not exceed 7.5% - if forecast to breach this limit, they will close the fishery.

So basically decision was to implement a return to the regulation we started the season with for now.
 
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Phony data from dfo
DFO committed to taking a deep dive into the data, while we left the fishery open. They did go back and conducted a review of the estimate data to confirm the accuracy, and where applicable amended the data. Nevertheless, the best available data indicates we are in an overage position.

As such, the Department made the decision to close the season. This was taken to mitigate the effects on next season. As some my know, any overages this season are deducted from the TAC we will have to work with next season. What we also know from the IPHC, is that there is a strong probability that the coast wide TAC (Alaska to California) will be reduced again in 2025 to respond to downward shifts in halibut biomass.

Any deductions from our 2025 TAC will only compound an already difficult situation looming over the horizon.

Looking ahead to 2025, it is likely we will have to strongly consider even more restrictive regulation choices to carve out a season or consider shortening it.
 
DFO committed to taking a deep dive into the data, while we left the fishery open. They did go back and conducted a review of the estimate data to confirm the accuracy, and where applicable amended the data. Nevertheless, the best available data indicates we are in an overage position.

As such, the Department made the decision to close the season. This was taken to mitigate the effects on next season. As some my know, any overages this season are deducted from the TAC we will have to work with next season. What we also know from the IPHC, is that there is a strong probability that the coast wide TAC (Alaska to California) will be reduced again in 2025 to respond to downward shifts in halibut biomass.

Any deductions from our 2025 TAC will only compound an already difficult situation looming over the horizon.

Looking ahead to 2025, it is likely we will have to strongly consider even more restrictive regulation choices to carve out a season or consider shortening it.
They,DFO, say they have a month lag from the time data is collected until they receive it. They also say that data indicated higher harvest in September and October resulted in a one day notice closure.

I’ve asked them why there is a month delay between the collection of data and when they review it. Also asked is this all data arriving late or from a single source, which could be addressed? What is their margin of error? I’ll let you know what I get for and answer, just find it curious this same scenario has played out twice now. Is there something that can or needs to be changed?
 
Bit confused over the comment that DFO stated the reason for the short notice closure was the September and October data showed high catch rates - where did that happen? Its not in the FN, and certainly never discussed with the SFAB. We did see a significant increase in catch for August associated with effort and the amendment to allow 2 unders to be retained in daily possession (up from 1). It was the SFAB that requested DFO review the data and make certain we were in an overage position. My experience has been the Department has always acted honourably and with integrity working with us to do our best to manage with the regulatory tools available to optimize our use of the available TAC.

Insofar as the delay in data is concerned, I believe this data delay has been explained in other posts previously, but I will take a stab at a quick summary - there's way more to it than I can cover in one post.

Recreational catch estimates come from 3 sources. First is the creel surveys conducted dockside by DFO staff, where that data provides a measurement of average vessel catch per unit effort (CPUE). DFO in conjunction with creel, conducts regular overflights to count the number of vessels in each area they have Creel surveys taking place. That produces an average CPUE or how many fish each vessel catches in a day of fishing. Then in simple terms the average CPUE is multiplied by the number of vessels counted and applied to produce a preliminary estimate.

This estimate is later adjusted to include the second source of data - guide or lodge vessels that completed log books to use the actual catch numbers from the log books, not the average CPUE (as a method to correct the data as much as possible). Again, Lodge and Guide vessels counted in the overflights are removed from the original estimates, and the actual catch data is inserted into augment/correct the creel estimates. Guide/Lodge data corrections usually take place several months after the fact as they wait for log books etc to be turned in.

In addition to the Creel estimates, the third source of data is the internet survey - this is IRec. The IRec data is reviewed for accuracy and in some instances fishers are contacted to query survey responses where there may be errors. Generally IRec is available within a month or 2, but as in Guide/Lodge data is being actively reviewed and adjusted sometimes months after the fact.

A lot of moving parts and follow up necessary to ensure the estimates are accurate - which takes time. So little wonder there is a 1 month delay in producing the first preliminary estimates - which again, are later corrected once additional follow up work is completed to firm up the final estimate a few months later. Worth noting again, we are at present (as of October) only working with preliminary data not the final adjusted estimates that include more robust analysis of other data sources such as IRec and Guide/Lodge log books.

Hope that helps frame the complex data environment we all (DFO and recreational community) are working within to make decisions regarding how we manage our recreational halibut fishery.
 
Bit confused over the comment that DFO stated the reason for the short notice closure was the September and October data showed high catch rates - where did that happen? Its not in the FN, and certainly never discussed with the SFAB. We did see a significant increase in catch for August associated with effort and the amendment to allow 2 unders to be retained in daily possession (up from 1). It was the SFAB that requested DFO review the data and make certain we were in an overage position. My experience has been the Department has always acted honourably and with integrity working with us to do our best to manage with the regulatory tools available to optimize our use of the available TAC.

Insofar as the delay in data is concerned, I believe this data delay has been explained in other posts previously, but I will take a stab at a quick summary - there's way more to it than I can cover in one post.

Recreational catch estimates come from 3 sources. First is the creel surveys conducted dockside by DFO staff, where that data provides a measurement of average vessel catch per unit effort (CPUE). DFO in conjunction with creel, conducts regular overflights to count the number of vessels in each area they have Creel surveys taking place. That produces an average CPUE or how many fish each vessel catches in a day of fishing. Then in simple terms the average CPUE is multiplied by the number of vessels counted and applied to produce a preliminary estimate.

This estimate is later adjusted to include the second source of data - guide or lodge vessels that completed log books to use the actual catch numbers from the log books, not the average CPUE (as a method to correct the data as much as possible). Again, Lodge and Guide vessels counted in the overflights are removed from the original estimates, and the actual catch data is inserted into augment/correct the creel estimates. Guide/Lodge data corrections usually take place several months after the fact as they wait for log books etc to be turned in.

In addition to the Creel estimates, the third source of data is the internet survey - this is IRec. The IRec data is reviewed for accuracy and in some instances fishers are contacted to query survey responses where there may be errors. Generally IRec is available within a month or 2, but as in Guide/Lodge data is being actively reviewed and adjusted sometimes months after the fact.

A lot of moving parts and follow up necessary to ensure the estimates are accurate - which takes time. So little wonder there is a 1 month delay in producing the first preliminary estimates - which again, are later corrected once additional follow up work is completed to firm up the final estimate a few months later. Worth noting again, we are at present (as of October) only working with preliminary data not the final adjusted estimates that include more robust analysis of other data sources such as IRec and Guide/Lodge log books.

Hope that helps frame the complex data environment we all (DFO and recreational community) are working within to make decisions regarding how we manage our recreational halibut fishery.
Thanks Pat. That’s a tough fishery to manage bring international
 
yeah but still better then salmon, you know you will get an allocation and you know it will be open for some time at some size and its pretty guaranteed that it will be open attest in the months of may-september with the aim always being a full season
 
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