cuttlefish
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It looks like the Minister made the right call on the DI farms after all.
Aquaculture improving?..The Fish Farm Thread
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cuttlefish
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Bob McDonald’s response at 5:16/5:17 pretty much says it all.
Exclusive: Another glimpse inside North Islands mayors’ lobbyist-led salmon farming campaign - theBreaker
Email obtained by theBreaker.news is further evidence of how the lobbyist for B.C.’s salmon farming industry influences North Island mayors.
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Sorry for the old news, but more BAD PR for Fish Farms
My wife says "Will it ever end!"
It will end when Fish Farms are moved to dry land.
I say "get em out of our West Coast waters NOW"
“pathogen culture facilities.”
Fish farms transmit viruses to endangered wild Pacific salmon, new evidence shows (theconversation.com)
My wife says "Will it ever end!"
It will end when Fish Farms are moved to dry land.
I say "get em out of our West Coast waters NOW"
“pathogen culture facilities.”
Fish farms transmit viruses to endangered wild Pacific salmon, new evidence shows (theconversation.com)
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Bob Chamberlin, chair of the First Nations Wild Salmon Alliance joins us with more on the back-and-forth between local communities, commercial fisheries, indigenous and First Nations groups, and the government on the status and overall health of fish farms
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James Costello
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Other than claiming via scale observations on a small number of juvenile fish, that the Atlantic salmon in Amor De Cosmos were progeny of escaped aquaculture stock - what defensible scientific work did Volpe complete?
As far as I know there have been no repeated sightings or captures of Atlantics in that system, there have been no genetic comparisons made between those fish and any cultured stocks.
If Atlantics were colonizing systems in B.C. from aquaculture stocks it would be relatively easy to show using todays technology.
Despite Volpe et. al. making claims to the contrary, I do not know of any instance where Atlantic salmon have colonized a river system outside of their natural historic range anywhere in the world.
Chile's massive salmon escape raises concern, and questions
By Tomas Moggia Translated by Brent Harlow In early July, an escape of unprecedented proportions at a salmon farm run by the Norwegian salmon farming giant Marine Harvest caused a national uproar in Chile. Greenpeace called it “an
Escaped Salmon in the Inner Seas, Southern Chile: Facing Ecological and Social Conflicts on JSTOR
Doris Soto, Fernando Jara, Carlos Moreno, Escaped Salmon in the Inner Seas, Southern Chile: Facing Ecological and Social Conflicts, Ecological Applications, Vol. 11, No. 6 (Dec., 2001), pp. 1750-1762
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Chinook Salmon Rapidly Colonize Rivers - Current Results
It's taken less than thirty years for chinook salmon that were let loose in South America to establish spawning runs along 1500 kilometres of the South Pacific coast.
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on a totally unrelated topic - didn't Clayoquot Kid got banned some time back?
Did anyone else notice that since the breaking PRv news a week or 2 ago - the industry PR people have been burning the midnite oil trying to deflect and downplay the news?
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James Costello
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Is there anything in that that shows evidence of where Atlantic salmon have established a population outside of their natural historical range?
Chile's massive salmon escape raises concern, and questions
By Tomas Moggia Translated by Brent Harlow In early July, an escape of unprecedented proportions at a salmon farm run by the Norwegian salmon farming giant Marine Harvest caused a national uproar in Chile. Greenpeace called it “anwww.patagonjournal.com
Escaped Salmon in the Inner Seas, Southern Chile: Facing Ecological and Social Conflicts on JSTOR
Doris Soto, Fernando Jara, Carlos Moreno, Escaped Salmon in the Inner Seas, Southern Chile: Facing Ecological and Social Conflicts, Ecological Applications, Vol. 11, No. 6 (Dec., 2001), pp. 1750-1762
Chinook Salmon Rapidly Colonize Rivers - Current Results
It's taken less than thirty years for chinook salmon that were let loose in South America to establish spawning runs along 1500 kilometres of the South Pacific coast.
on a totally unrelated topic - didn't Clayoquot Kid got banned some time back?
Did anyone else notice that since the breaking PRv news a week or 2 ago - the industry PR people have been burning the midnite oil trying to deflect and downplay the news?
I'm just asking for an example of, where after pushing half a century of farming, there has been Atlantic salmon "stocked" by aquaculture outside of the Atlantic Ocean via escapes.
Not saying won't ever happen, just asking if you know whether it actually has.
Totally unrelated topic - Don't you hate it when people hide behind screen names and don't answer questions?
I haven't worked in aquaculture for more than 2 years, if you want to see what I've been up to look on Page 4 of June's Island Fisherman Magazine.
p. 928: "To our knowledge, the only established populations of Atlantic Salmon in South America are in Argentina, and they are found only in lakes and rivers as resident (non-migratory) populations (MacCrimmon and Gots 1979; Stewart 1980; Pascual and Ciancio 2007)"
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So, have any Atlantics from closed containment facilities escaped and interbreed w local Atlantics?
North American Index River of Wild/Farmed Interactions
So, have any Atlantics from closed containment facilities escaped and interbreed w local Atlantics?
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So I see we have a new to the forum guy defending Fish Farms.
Tell me, you seem to be very knowledgable,
In your opinion, do Fish Farm Sea Lice and disease kill wild salmon.
Would wild salmon be better off if Fish Farms were put on dryland?
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"The success of Oncorhynchus mykiss and Salmo trutta seems to be influenced by a context-specific combination of their phenotypic plasticity, low ecosystem resistance, and propagule pressure. These well-established invaders may limit the success of subsequently introduced salmonids, with the possible exception of O. tshawytscha, which has a short freshwater residency and limited spatial overlap with trout. Although propagule pressure is high for O. kisutch and S. salar due to their intensive use in aquaculture, their lack of success in Chile may be explained by environmental resistance, including earlier spawning times than in their native ranges, and interactions with previously established and resident Rainbow Trout. Other salmonids have also failed to establish, and they exhibit a suite of ecological traits, environmental resistance, and limited propagule pressure that are variably associated with their lack of success."p. 928: "To our knowledge, the only established populations of Atlantic Salmon in South America are in Argentina, and they are found only in lakes and rivers as resident (non-migratory) populations (MacCrimmon and Gots 1979; Stewart 1980; Pascual and Ciancio 2007)"
North American Index River of Wild/Farmed Interactions
So, have any Atlantics from closed containment facilities escaped and interbreed w local Atlantics?
"To our knowledge, the only established populations of Atlantic Salmon in South America are in Argentina, and they are found only in lakes and rivers as resident (non-migratory) populations (MacCrimmon and Gots 1979; Stewart 1980; Pascual and Ciancio 2007)" - Point awarded to you, given the context is acknowledged.
Given that there seem to be a number of natural barriers to the propagation of certain salmonid species in areas outside their natural range, my perspective is that in ranges outside their historical norm the risk of colonization or endemic salmonid displacement by Atlantic salmon in B.C. is low.
I'm not talking about inter-breeding of wild and farmed Atlantic stock, or about any other salmonid - My point relates directly to salmon aquaculture in B.C. and whether the constant assertion of risk, hyperbole, and ever present alarmism over culturing Atlantic salmon is warranted in terms of (ever diminishing) escape risks.
That's the lane - try to stay in it.
Thank goodness you gave-up defending the open net-pen industry 2 years ago, james. good on you.
Actually the "lane" we are in is that the open net-pen technology has no ability to mitigate or even stop the transmission of parasites and diseases from farmed fish to wild stocks. Always been that way and always will using this technology verses closed containment. The latest news and science on the transmission of PRv is yet but another nail in the coffin of how this industry currently operates.
I understand that since the foreign-owned multinational corporations that control the industry don't currently pay for sewerage removal, pumping and real estate using the outdated open net-pen technology - they wouldn't want to switch to closed containment.
So better ignore all science that proves the fact that there are substantial risks and impacts to wild stocks and narrow the lane on that discussion. Good luck driving in your myopic lane by yourselves, industry. The World has moved on. You are the only ones not understanding that reality.
Actually the "lane" we are in is that the open net-pen technology has no ability to mitigate or even stop the transmission of parasites and diseases from farmed fish to wild stocks. Always been that way and always will using this technology verses closed containment. The latest news and science on the transmission of PRv is yet but another nail in the coffin of how this industry currently operates.
I understand that since the foreign-owned multinational corporations that control the industry don't currently pay for sewerage removal, pumping and real estate using the outdated open net-pen technology - they wouldn't want to switch to closed containment.
So better ignore all science that proves the fact that there are substantial risks and impacts to wild stocks and narrow the lane on that discussion. Good luck driving in your myopic lane by yourselves, industry. The World has moved on. You are the only ones not understanding that reality.
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SpringFever552
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Dont ya all just hate "foreign-owned multinational corporations "
....unless your getting $$ from them to argue for or against something...goes both ways
....unless your getting $$ from them to argue for or against something...goes both ways
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