Yep, for sure GF. And no matter what evidence is provided there is a standard blind denial from industry reps, where they attack the messenger - trying to divert the conversation away from impacts and their accountability into their version of miss congeniality contest. It strikes me as a cult of blind belief no matter what facts are put on the table. A cult with serious consequences to wild salmon and the industries that depend upon this resource, and no acceptance of their own culpability and responsibility. Then they want to play the victim when they are questioned on that.