SpringFever2359
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BC First Nations demand apology over William Shatner salmon video
Indigenous salmon farmers are demanding an apology over a video showing William Shatner telling open net salmon farms to "[expletive] off."

I always wondered who would be removed first, FF's or Sport fishers. Im still not sure. lolThere’s lots of fish out there closing farms and saying wild fish are on the brink of extinction only will bring in more closures for all.
It’s the narrative they are using to remove them.
I always wondered who would be removed first, FF's or Sport fishers. Im still not sure. lol
What the actual **** does sports fishing have to do with salmon farming?DFO Minister I know your removing fish farms because salmon are on the brink on extinction but could you open sports fishing
What the actual **** does sports fishing have to do with salmon farming?
This is not the thread to ask people to look at the larger picture
Yeah but your logic is constant, you want to see salmon farmers removed because they harm wild salmon, your okay with Fraser river salmon closures, your okay with the SRKW closures, you don’t like hatcherys because they harm wild salmon, you point out that catch and release harms wild salmon ect ect
You are not on here lobbying for more hatchery's expanded sports fishing opportunities, lifting the SRKW closures ect and then at the salmon time saying remove fish farms they harm wild salmon
People here should click the link.sometimes i wonder if there is someone out there that thinks the exactly the same way about sports fishing. just black and white, get them off the water or else
naaa cant be anyone right?
Huh? Kinda irrelevant, deflecting sentiment used to shut down reasoned debate. So if anyone has any environmental concerns whatsoever they can only think/feel that way if they live "off the grid, walk everywhere and grow/raise your own food'? LOL, I guess just about every human on the planet then is a total hypocrite unless they live for and support ongoing environmental destruction of all kinds! This is just an illogical, biased, old, tired, deflecting tactic to shut discussion down.Please tell us all that you practice what you preach, and live off the grid, walk everywhere and grow/raise your own food
They do this back east already in big warehouses.The pro fish farming group seem to just deflect as soon as they feel cornered. I get they do feel cornered, made careers raising farmed salmon and if any of us were to see an end date of our job we would do anything to save it.
Unfortunately the companies they work for do not care about the employees they care about $$$$
Can they go on land? Absolutely but with reduced profits. As a corporation that make $50,000,000 on land and would have made $75,000,000.00 in open nets, reports it as a $25,000,000.00 loss.
It would be nice to transition to closed containment. What does that mean? Tanks on land recirculating sea water? They will need lots of power, a way to sterilize any water going back to the sea. Why would the big companies want to take this on?? Too easy right now. But they could and all the jobs would be there.
Do I think fish farming is 100% bad, most likely not, but our system of reporting sea lice, disease,….. is so flawed. Report what you want, not what is really going on. Many industries work this way, logging, mining......
So in 4.5 years we will hear about the delay of pulling out FF.
Great post, Fishing. Very insightful questions.I have posted before, if FF's are so sure they are environmentally neutral why don't they voluntarily shut down for 10 years and see if the salmon and Orcas' make recovery or keep declining.
Sort of like a bet. 10 yrs voluntarily if still declines then 20 years FF.
I mean for FF operators it has to be a sure thing right?
IF FF's are killing wild salmon then they are also killing the Orca's. The timeline suggest a direct correlation to Orca decline and expansion of FF's. Any studies on this or is it another secret? 20% is a number to be looked at over various data.
Everything in the rest of this post has been held to the same rigid guidelines the DFO use, In other words only some it might be true or not or just made up. But I reviewed it and it is good enough for the pubic.
Some Orca corpse necropsies show odd internal issues, just covered up like most stuff. I mean have you ever seen one? Or an explanation of one? Nope, just they are starving. But only the ones that eat salmon, not the one's that eat pinnipeds that eat salmon. Any reports or studies on the effects of massive continual doses of these viruses on mammals?
Where is that 1.3 Billion dollars FF's claim BC will lose? How is that number accounted for? 500 workers? The factory where the feed is made and antibiotics added, in Mexico is it? And because it isn't for human consumption it isn't tested. The land pens where some smolts are reared? Easy for them to just switch to Coho, Chinook or Sockeye smolts and probably increase the number of jobs in an attempt to revive some now endangered or extinct runs. (Sicker mountains)
A tender subject now, FN's FF and their claim of ownership. Okay they have a legit claim to where they fished, an area, but not the water itself which moves on like wild salmon do. How do they take on the risk of "their" water if there is pollution? Can they then be sued? To be really exaggerating here, but if they knowingly dumped say tons of iron filings or millions of liters of oil into "their" water are they responsible for damages where "their" water carried that pollution and the damage it caused? I mean if there is something in "their" water that kills the Orcas' off or contaminations "their" water moves on to someone else's water can they be sued? Could interior FN's sue the coast FN's for destroying their food and ceremonial fish?
Is BC now the only FF's left on the west coast? What if Alaska, Washington, Oregon or California sue for damages to their wild fish stocks? Who? The FF's, FN's, provincial or federal governments or all four?
I wonder what species will be included in the "ban"
What pathogen would that be holding back Sablefish aquaculture?![]()
Open-net fish farms can continue to operate in B.C.
seawestnews.com
“The transition plan and related ban apply to salmon and do not apply to other species of finfish such as sablefish. Cultivation of other finfish species in B.C. takes place at a very small scale. The Department will review applications if or when they are submitted,” DFO said.
It is unclear if DFO will allow open-net farming for Steelhead, sometimes called “Steelhead Trout” which is an anadromous (sea-run) form of Rainbow Trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss) that returns to fresh water to spawn.
Today the government announced it will be giving $378,070 to the University of Victoria’s, Department of Biology to identify pathways to improve sustainable sablefish aquaculture.
Specifically, the University will work with First Nations and industry partners to identify sablefish resistant to a pathogen that limits the large-scale expansion of sablefish aquaculture in coastal communities, DFO said in a statement.
Don't know - but Vibrio spp. & PRv would be guesses...What pathogen would that be holding back Sablefish aquaculture?