23' & 26' Hourston Project Commenced...

What to do?

  • Try and keep the boat and complete the project.

    Votes: 71 71.0%
  • Sell the boat in current hot market.

    Votes: 8 8.0%
  • Notch the transom for outboard.

    Votes: 5 5.0%
  • Add extension bracket for outboard.

    Votes: 57 57.0%
  • Install twin outboards.

    Votes: 42 42.0%
  • Install single outboard.

    Votes: 27 27.0%
  • Add command bridge.

    Votes: 15 15.0%
  • Remove command bridge.

    Votes: 42 42.0%
  • Accept "crowd funding"

    Votes: 29 29.0%
  • Do not accept "crowd funding"

    Votes: 16 16.0%

  • Total voters
    100
Or change the way it pitches and rolls lol. Once she upside-down however...

Correct again!

I think you will find that foam can add a tremendous amount of stiffness and strength. Try taking two 4’ sheets of 1/8” FRP and laying them across a couple of saw horses, they will barely be able to support themselves. Take the same two sheets of FRP and fill between them with 2” of expanded foam and you will be able to stand in the center of the sheets up on saw horses. .... simple analogy.
 
If you want it for strength and sound dampening that is one thing but I don’t think that amount of foam will keep a boat that size and weight from sinking.
 
I will do the calculations on the volume of cavities ...
 
Now we are talking... O brother! :) lol
 
I vote for the fly bridge but against the foam. Foam will get moisture they always do but safety first and you are doing everything right so put it in.
 
Boat made it 40+ years without foam and it still floated, sure it will make it at least another 40+ without it.
 
Boat made it 40+ years without foam and it still floated, sure it will make it at least another 40+ without it.
Yup spend that money on the pod!!! and lead keel for that command bridge:D:D
 
Anyone dare to do the math? :)

INBOARD MOTORBOATS

Fiberglass Wood

Boat weight (Wb) = ( ____ X K 0.33 ) + ( ____ X K -0.81 ) =_______

Deck weight (Wd) (if any) = ________+ _________ =_______

Maximum Persons weight (Wp) =_______

Swamped motor, drive unit + Battery Wt (Wm) = _______
(includes motor, drive unit, propeller, shaft, battery & transmission)

Dead Weight = Max Wt Capacity - total dry weight Wdw = ______
(If zero or negative ignore)

Flotation for Boat Weight (Fb) = (Wb + Wd) / 60.4
(cubic feet of 2 lb density closed cell foam)
=_______ X _____ /60.4 = ______

Factor: K =
Fiberglass = 0.33
Aluminum = 0.63
ABS Plastic = 0.11
Oak, white = -0.18
Oak = -0.56
Mahogany = -0.72
Plywood = -0.81

Flotation for persons Weight (Fp) over 550 lb persons capacity
Fp = (0.5 X 550)+0.125(Wp-550)+.25(Wdw) / 60.4
= 275 + ________ + _______ / 60.4

Flotation for persons Weight (Fp) Fp = _______


boats with less than 550 lb persons capacity
Fp =(0.5 X Wp)+.25 (Wdw)/60.4 = ______ + ______ / 60.4 = Fp = _______

Flotation for swamped machinery (Fm) = (Wm) / 60.4 = _______ / 60.4=
Fm = _______

Amount of Flotation (in cubic feet) = Fb + Fp + Fm = Ft
= ______ +_______ + ______ + _______ = _______


Weight of Flotation in pounds (Fw)
= 2 lb/cu ft x Ft = 2 X ____ =_______

Total Boat weight = Weight of Flotation + Boat weight = Fw + Wb =
= ___________ + ___________ = ______

Keep track of total boat weight over a production run. If total boat
weight increases significantly (say more than 50 lbs) you need to add
flotation.

"calculating floatation
Boats float because they weigh less than the water they displace. If you look at the volume of a boat when it's floating, it displaces MORE water than it would if the boat was swamped.
To make things simple, let's say your boat is a rectangle - 10 feet long, 4 feet wide, and 1 foot high. It's made of aluminum. The most your boat could displace is 40 cubic feet of water, and that would be with the gunwhales right at the water line.
A cubic foot of water weighs around 60 lbs. It actually wieghs a little more, but I'm trying to keep this easy for those mathematically challenged like myself. If you can displace up to 40 cubic feet of water, and each cubic foot wieghs 60 lbs, then your boat has a capacity up to 2400 lbs. Anything mor than that would push the gunwhales under water and you would sink. In reality, you would never load it that heavy, since any little wave spilling over could easily caus you to take on water.
Now let's say after reading THT you decide that you don't want to sink if you take a big wave over the bow - how much flotation do you need? 2500lbs? No. Basically, you know that your aluminum hull weighs 500 lbs. Does that mean you need 500 lbs of buoyancy to keep it floating? No. You need to know what the volume of that aluminum is, so that when it's swamped, you know how much water the aluminum itself displaces. If a cubic foot of aluminum weighs 500 lbs, and your bare hull weighs 500 lbs, then they used one cubic foot of aluminum to make your lovely boat.
If they used one cubic foot of aluminum to make your boat, then when you are swamped, your boat is only displacing one cubic foot of water (you don't count the water inside the boat). Since water weighs 60 lbs per foot, and your aluminum is 500 lbs per foot, then you would need 440 lbs of buoyancy to keep your boat from going to Davy Jones locker.
If you add an engine to your boat, or people or anything else, you would need additional floatation - not equal to the weight of the engine, but equal to the difference in the weight of the water that the engine would displace, and the weight of the engine.
So you wrap your engine in a big plastic bag and dunk it in a gigantic water filled glass cylinder with markings on the side. The water goes up when you dunk the engine in, so you figure out that your engine has a volume of 2 cubic feet. Let's say it weighs 200 pounds. So if it displaces 2 cubic feet, then the amount of buoyancy required for that 200 lb engine would be the difference between the weight of 2 cubic feet of water and your engine. 2 cubic feet of water would be 120 lbs, and your engine weighs 200 lbs, so you need an additional 80 lbs of buoyancy to keep the enigne afloat.

I made up the number here, but my intent was to explain the principles behind displacement vs. weight when talking about floatation."

2 pound foam weighs 2 pounds per cubic foot meaning each 2 gallon kit produces 480 pounds of bouyancy. A 2 gallon kit (1 gallon of part A and 1 gallon of part B) will yield up to 8 cubic feet of cured foam. 6 gallons would make most any boat any of us use unsinkable with 1440 pounds of bouyancy
 
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YOU HAVE WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON YOUR HANDS .... LOL

with that much "flotation " put twin 300 command bridge 2 belly tanks 2 saddle tanks oh and that lead keel ... good to go.... btw keep up the good work looks great chat to you again really soon bud
 
Started the underside of the topside today lol, haha

Yep got'er turned over to work on it better...

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Anyone dare to do the math? :)

INBOARD MOTORBOATS

Fiberglass Wood

Boat weight (Wb) = ( ____ X K 0.33 ) + ( ____ X K -0.81 ) =_______

Deck weight (Wd) (if any) = ________+ _________ =_______

Maximum Persons weight (Wp) =_______

Swamped motor, drive unit + Battery Wt (Wm) = _______
(includes motor, drive unit, propeller, shaft, battery & transmission)

Dead Weight = Max Wt Capacity - total dry weight Wdw = ______
(If zero or negative ignore)

Flotation for Boat Weight (Fb) = (Wb + Wd) / 60.4
(cubic feet of 2 lb density closed cell foam)
=_______ X _____ /60.4 = ______

Factor: K =
Fiberglass = 0.33
Aluminum = 0.63
ABS Plastic = 0.11
Oak, white = -0.18
Oak = -0.56
Mahogany = -0.72
Plywood = -0.81

Flotation for persons Weight (Fp) over 550 lb persons capacity
Fp = (0.5 X 550)+0.125(Wp-550)+.25(Wdw) / 60.4
= 275 + ________ + _______ / 60.4

Flotation for persons Weight (Fp) Fp = _______


boats with less than 550 lb persons capacity
Fp =(0.5 X Wp)+.25 (Wdw)/60.4 = ______ + ______ / 60.4 = Fp = _______

Flotation for swamped machinery (Fm) = (Wm) / 60.4 = _______ / 60.4=
Fm = _______

Amount of Flotation (in cubic feet) = Fb + Fp + Fm = Ft
= ______ +_______ + ______ + _______ = _______


Weight of Flotation in pounds (Fw)
= 2 lb/cu ft x Ft = 2 X ____ =_______

Total Boat weight = Weight of Flotation + Boat weight = Fw + Wb =
= ___________ + ___________ = ______

Keep track of total boat weight over a production run. If total boat
weight increases significantly (say more than 50 lbs) you need to add
flotation.

"calculating floatation
Boats float because they weigh less than the water they displace. If you look at the volume of a boat when it's floating, it displaces MORE water than it would if the boat was swamped.
To make things simple, let's say your boat is a rectangle - 10 feet long, 4 feet wide, and 1 foot high. It's made of aluminum. The most your boat could displace is 40 cubic feet of water, and that would be with the gunwhales right at the water line.
A cubic foot of water weighs around 60 lbs. It actually wieghs a little more, but I'm trying to keep this easy for those mathematically challenged like myself. If you can displace up to 40 cubic feet of water, and each cubic foot wieghs 60 lbs, then your boat has a capacity up to 2400 lbs. Anything mor than that would push the gunwhales under water and you would sink. In reality, you would never load it that heavy, since any little wave spilling over could easily caus you to take on water.
Now let's say after reading THT you decide that you don't want to sink if you take a big wave over the bow - how much flotation do you need? 2500lbs? No. Basically, you know that your aluminum hull weighs 500 lbs. Does that mean you need 500 lbs of buoyancy to keep it floating? No. You need to know what the volume of that aluminum is, so that when it's swamped, you know how much water the aluminum itself displaces. If a cubic foot of aluminum weighs 500 lbs, and your bare hull weighs 500 lbs, then they used one cubic foot of aluminum to make your lovely boat.
If they used one cubic foot of aluminum to make your boat, then when you are swamped, your boat is only displacing one cubic foot of water (you don't count the water inside the boat). Since water weighs 60 lbs per foot, and your aluminum is 500 lbs per foot, then you would need 440 lbs of buoyancy to keep your boat from going to Davy Jones locker.
If you add an engine to your boat, or people or anything else, you would need additional floatation - not equal to the weight of the engine, but equal to the difference in the weight of the water that the engine would displace, and the weight of the engine.
So you wrap your engine in a big plastic bag and dunk it in a gigantic water filled glass cylinder with markings on the side. The water goes up when you dunk the engine in, so you figure out that your engine has a volume of 2 cubic feet. Let's say it weighs 200 pounds. So if it displaces 2 cubic feet, then the amount of buoyancy required for that 200 lb engine would be the difference between the weight of 2 cubic feet of water and your engine. 2 cubic feet of water would be 120 lbs, and your engine weighs 200 lbs, so you need an additional 80 lbs of buoyancy to keep the enigne afloat.

I made up the number here, but my intent was to explain the principles behind displacement vs. weight when talking about floatation."

2 pound foam weighs 2 pounds per cubic foot meaning each 2 gallon kit produces 480 pounds of bouyancy. A 2 gallon kit (1 gallon of part A and 1 gallon of part B) will yield up to 8 cubic feet of cured foam. 6 gallons would make most any boat any of us use unsinkable with 1440 pounds of bouyancy

Ouch!!!! That just makes my head hurt
 
Maybe for your next project you can do a build where you use every suggestion posted in the thread and we see what kind of frankensteined vessel u come up with. Using this thread as an example youd have a notched podded transom with a lead keel and atleast 3 helm stations stacked on top of each other. Sounds like a fishing MACHINE!
 
Maybe for your next project you can do a build where you use every suggestion posted in the thread and we see what kind of frankensteined vessel u come up with. Using this thread as an example youd have a notched podded transom with a lead keel and atleast 3 helm stations stacked on top of each other. Sounds like a fishing MACHINE!

yah but at least it wouldn’t have a flybridge!
 
Maybe for your next project you can do a build where you use every suggestion posted in the thread and we see what kind of frankensteined vessel u come up with. Using this thread as an example youd have a notched podded transom with a lead keel and atleast 3 helm stations stacked on top of each other. Sounds like a fishing MACHINE!

I love your enthusiasm, I really do but I don't think there will be another, "never say never" :)
 
Looks too nice to put a bunch of POD fastening bolt holes in now :(


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