Lingcod Opening

[OldBlackDog]

I really think that you need to get out more.
Your thought on where there are none is just silly.To say this is to go against some real facts that obviously you are not aware of.

They closed the areas of concern and you forgot the Rockfish areas that are closed and more to come this summer.

As to fish in Georgia Straight, man did most of the damage and the temperature is doing the rest.

You do have the ability not to kill any and that is your right.

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

well..if you guys believe that ling cod stocks are fantastic..that's fine..one small area doesn't make a whole Strait. In the areas around Texada, up through Campbell River, Howe Sound, Denman Island, Hornby, Lasqueti, and Pender Harbour..there is NOTHING to be caught. Whatever there is to be caught should remain in the water.

Let's see them open the fishery in the great areas then...and keep the rest of Georgia closed.

I won't be targetting them, and I'm personally going to release any that I catch incidentally.

As a whole fish stocks are in serious decline..herring, krill, all species of salmon..etc... that's the facts. Like it or not and I don't care what stats you want to pull or cite, I've got 100 other experts willing to bash and trash those statistics.

it's a sustainable number eh? Maybe that explains why there is no herring relatively speaking? Maybe that explains why there are no Coho to be found in Georgia Strait---streams are being rehabilitated..yet no fish return because there's NOTHING to eat and they didn't survive! They're discovering this now. Check out the MILLIONS of sockeye that go "disappearing"! They never existed! I'd like to see a year when twice as many Sockeye show up as they were expecting as opposed to less than half.

Next time DFO says "sustainable" in my opinion, read "we really have no idea what's going on and we're just trying to make our lives easy and make it appear that we officially have a clue". If DFO were a privately run company with professional managers tomorrow, the whole department would be fired..and this person that replaced Wayne Saito, she's just yielding to recreational business owner's pressure.

Those are a few of my thoughts...

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by kelly

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

well..if you guys believe that ling cod stocks are fantastic..that's fine..one small area doesn't make a whole Strait. In the areas around Texada, up through Campbell River, Howe Sound, Denman Island, Hornby, Lasqueti, and Pender Harbour..there is NOTHING to be caught. Whatever there is to be caught should remain in the water.

I know first hand that Lasqueti and Texada still have a decent lingcod population. Im confused when you say there is nothing to be caught unless you fish these areas regularly and target lingcod. Many are saying there is no fish before they actually get out there and target them. As for poachers i think its already been said. They will do it no matter what. Last year in Area 17 a guy caught a 30lber kept it and posted it on the BOARD! right beside the sign that says lingcod CLOSED.........

I disagree Kellya...there's a decent number of spawners according DFO people I speak with on a regular basis, however it's not translating into large survival rates of immature fish.

How old are you? I can remember when I was a kid you could catch lings LEFT RIGHT and CENTER there without having to TRY. You could also catch PLENTY of rockcod.

I'll be fishing that way this summer since I have the use of big boat I'll be doing short 2/3/4 trips around the coast this summer..I'll target them for a few hours and see how I make out..and I'll let 'em go.

If you have to look for lings as opposed to catching them..there's a problem. That's the truth.

Let's keep in mind this is just ONE rockcod per day and a small annual limit...what about the time there WAS NO ANNUAL LIMIT on LINGS? lol! Now that is abundance.

Don't get me wrong, I love lings, I've dived to see their brilliant blue/green colours, and they're a beautiful fish, and tremendously tasty for fish and chips...more so than Halibut in my opinion.

Oh well..1 fish per day isn't going to break the species in the Strait to 5000 fish...however....it will allow the dude who flukes into a decent size one to have a fish and chips dinner, and allow the guys who target them to kill a few small rockcod that explode when they come off the bottom..including Yellow Eyes, China Rockfish, et al.

That's ok..it'll give more than a few people something to fish for when the fish don't show up again this summer *relatively speaking of course*

I remember the day when downriggers first showed up in sport use and people looked at you like you were crazy and ridiculed you if you couldn't catch fish without 'em.

I believe I'll live to see a day when even downriggers won't catch fish..cuz there will be none to catch.

By the way..that's why we all have to use downriggers and they are common place on the coast now...if not required in many locales........it's hard to find herring to jig..and since there's not as many fish around....weighted rods don't cut it depending on where you're fishing as there are fewer fish in the upper part of the water column....

That's why we have hatcheries and lingcod and rock cod farms on the coast now..cuz we're doing such a good job of fishing everything into oblivion, not to mention the closure of many many canneries on the coast in the early 1900's as the beginning of the end to salmon abundance in the form then known...not so long ago really! Now we're able to exponentially fish the ocean in ways we never could before, with a fleet just a fraction of what it was.

In my life time, I'm expecting to see a daily limit of 1 spring per day over 65 cm, and a possession limit of 2 springs of which none may be over 80 cm, and an annual coast wide limit of 10 if that.


I fully expect the daily limit of Lings to be 1, with a possession limit of 2.

That's where we're headed..and in the not too distant future...IMO.

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by kelly

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

well..if you guys believe that ling cod stocks are fantastic..that's fine..one small area doesn't make a whole Strait. In the areas around Texada, up through Campbell River, Howe Sound, Denman Island, Hornby, Lasqueti, and Pender Harbour..there is NOTHING to be caught. Whatever there is to be caught should remain in the water.

I know first hand that Lasqueti and Texada still have a decent lingcod population. Im confused when you say there is nothing to be caught unless you fish these areas regularly and target lingcod. Many are saying there is no fish before they actually get out there and target them. As for poachers i think its already been said. They will do it no matter what. Last year in Area 17 a guy caught a 30lber kept it and posted it on the BOARD! right beside the sign that says lingcod CLOSED.........

I disagree Kellya...there's a decent number of spawners according DFO people I speak with on a regular basis, however it's not translating into large survival rates of immature fish.

How old are you? I can remember when I was a kid you could catch lings LEFT RIGHT and CENTER there without having to TRY. You could also catch PLENTY of rockcod.

I'll be fishing that way this summer since I have the use of big boat I'll be doing short 2/3/4 trips around the coast this summer..I'll target them for a few hours and see how I make out..and I'll let 'em go.

If you have to look for lings as opposed to catching them..there's a problem. That's the truth.

Let's keep in mind this is just ONE rockcod per day and a small annual limit...what about the time there WAS NO ANNUAL LIMIT on LINGS? lol! Now that is abundance.

Don't get me wrong, I love lings, I've dived to see their brilliant blue/green colours, and they're a beautiful fish, and tremendously tasty for fish and chips...more so than Halibut in my opinion.

Oh well..1 fish per day isn't going to break the species in the Strait to 5000 fish...however....it will allow the dude who flukes into a decent size one to have a fish and chips dinner, and allow the guys who target them to kill a few small rockcod that explode when they come off the bottom..including Yellow Eyes, China Rockfish, et al.

That's ok..it'll give more than a few people something to fish for when the fish don't show up again this summer *relatively speaking of course*

I remember the day when downriggers first showed up in sport use and people looked at you like you were crazy and ridiculed you if you couldn't catch fish without 'em.

I believe I'll live to see a day when even downriggers won't catch fish..cuz there will be none to catch.

By the way..that's why we all have to use downriggers and they are common place on the coast now...if not required in many locales........it's hard to find herring to jig..and since there's not as many fish around....weighted rods don't cut it depending on where you're fishing as there are fewer fish in the upper part of the water column....

That's why we have hatcheries and lingcod and rock cod farms on the coast now..cuz we're doing such a good job of fishing everything into oblivion, not to mention the closure of many many canneries on the coast in the early 1900's as the beginning of the end to salmon abundance in the form then known...not so long ago really! Now we're able to exponentially fish the ocean in ways we never could before, with a fleet just a fraction of what it was.

In my life time, I'm expecting to see a daily limit of 1 spring per day over 65 cm, and a possession limit of 2 springs of which none may be over 80 cm, and an annual coast wide limit of 10 if that.


I fully expect the daily limit of Lings to be 1, with a possession limit of 2.

That's where we're headed..and in the not too distant future...IMO.

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

quote:Originally posted by kelly

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

well..if you guys believe that ling cod stocks are fantastic..that's fine..one small area doesn't make a whole Strait. In the areas around Texada, up through Campbell River, Howe Sound, Denman Island, Hornby, Lasqueti, and Pender Harbour..there is NOTHING to be caught. Whatever there is to be caught should remain in the water.

I know first hand that Lasqueti and Texada still have a decent lingcod population. Im confused when you say there is nothing to be caught unless you fish these areas regularly and target lingcod. Many are saying there is no fish before they actually get out there and target them. As for poachers i think its already been said. They will do it no matter what. Last year in Area 17 a guy caught a 30lber kept it and posted it on the BOARD! right beside the sign that says lingcod CLOSED.........

I disagree Kellya...there's a decent number of spawners according DFO people I speak with on a regular basis, however it's not translating into large survival rates of immature fish.

How old are you? I can remember when I was a kid you could catch lings LEFT RIGHT and CENTER there without having to TRY. You could also catch PLENTY of rockcod.

I'll be fishing that way this summer since I have the use of big boat I'll be doing short 2/3/4 trips around the coast this summer..I'll target them for a few hours and see how I make out..and I'll let 'em go.

If you have to look for lings as opposed to catching them..there's a problem. That's the truth.

Let's keep in mind this is just ONE rockcod per day and a small annual limit...what about the time there WAS NO ANNUAL LIMIT on LINGS? lol! Now that is abundance.

Don't get me wrong, I love lings, I've dived to see their brilliant blue/green colours, and they're a beautiful fish, and tremendously tasty for fish and chips...more so than Halibut in my opinion.

Oh well..1 fish per day isn't going to break the species in the Strait to 5000 fish...however....it will allow the dude who flukes into a decent size one to have a fish and chips dinner, and allow the guys who target them to kill a few small rockcod that explode when they come off the bottom..including Yellow Eyes, China Rockfish, et al.

That's ok..it'll give more than a few people something to fish for when the fish don't show up again this summer *relatively speaking of course*

I remember the day when downriggers first showed up in sport use and people looked at you like you were crazy and ridiculed you if you couldn't catch fish without 'em.

I believe I'll live to see a day when even downriggers won't catch fish..cuz there will be none to catch.

By the way..that's why we all have to use downriggers and they are common place on the coast now...if not required in many locales........it's hard to find herring to jig..and since there's not as many fish around....weighted rods don't cut it depending on where you're fishing as there are fewer fish in the upper part of the water column....

That's why we have hatcheries and lingcod and rock cod farms on the coast now..cuz we're doing such a good job of fishing everything into oblivion, not to mention the closure of many many canneries on the coast in the early 1900's as the beginning of the end to salmon abundance in the form then known...not so long ago really! Now we're able to exponentially fish the ocean in ways we never could before, with a fleet just a fraction of what it was.

In my life time, I'm expecting to see a daily limit of 1 spring per day over 65 cm, and a possession limit of 2 springs of which none may be over 80 cm, and an annual coast wide limit of 10 if that.


I fully expect the daily limit of Lings to be 1, with a possession limit of 2.

That's where we're headed..and in the not too distant future...IMO.

Oh yeah..I'd like to add that I'm one of the humans responsible for the decline of fish stocks too..I used to be a salmon fishing guide who had a reputation of fishing the $&*^ out of certain locales for my guests for all species. I'm one of the guys out there fishing with downriggers too to try to hook fish. I'm pretty good at that too..so I'm partially responsible for the decline of fish stocks. Oh yeah....I'm guilty too, and I bear responsibility for contributing to the mess we're in.

I've never poached, nor will I ever, and I've never fished for anything other than my personal consumption when angling personally..and I'm bear partial responsibility for this mess we're in.

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

quote:Originally posted by kelly

quote:Originally posted by fishin_magician

well..if you guys believe that ling cod stocks are fantastic..that's fine..one small area doesn't make a whole Strait. In the areas around Texada, up through Campbell River, Howe Sound, Denman Island, Hornby, Lasqueti, and Pender Harbour..there is NOTHING to be caught. Whatever there is to be caught should remain in the water.

I know first hand that Lasqueti and Texada still have a decent lingcod population. Im confused when you say there is nothing to be caught unless you fish these areas regularly and target lingcod. Many are saying there is no fish before they actually get out there and target them. As for poachers i think its already been said. They will do it no matter what. Last year in Area 17 a guy caught a 30lber kept it and posted it on the BOARD! right beside the sign that says lingcod CLOSED.........

I disagree Kellya...there's a decent number of spawners according DFO people I speak with on a regular basis, however it's not translating into large survival rates of immature fish.

How old are you? I can remember when I was a kid you could catch lings LEFT RIGHT and CENTER there without having to TRY. You could also catch PLENTY of rockcod.

I'll be fishing that way this summer since I have the use of big boat I'll be doing short 2/3/4 trips around the coast this summer..I'll target them for a few hours and see how I make out..and I'll let 'em go.

If you have to look for lings as opposed to catching them..there's a problem. That's the truth.

Let's keep in mind this is just ONE rockcod per day and a small annual limit...what about the time there WAS NO ANNUAL LIMIT on LINGS? lol! Now that is abundance.

Don't get me wrong, I love lings, I've dived to see their brilliant blue/green colours, and they're a beautiful fish, and tremendously tasty for fish and chips...more so than Halibut in my opinion.

Oh well..1 fish per day isn't going to break the species in the Strait to 5000 fish...however....it will allow the dude who flukes into a decent size one to have a fish and chips dinner, and allow the guys who target them to kill a few small rockcod that explode when they come off the bottom..including Yellow Eyes, China Rockfish, et al.

That's ok..it'll give more than a few people something to fish for when the fish don't show up again this summer *relatively speaking of course*

I remember the day when downriggers first showed up in sport use and people looked at you like you were crazy and ridiculed you if you couldn't catch fish without 'em.

I believe I'll live to see a day when even downriggers won't catch fish..cuz there will be none to catch.

By the way..that's why we all have to use downriggers and they are common place on the coast now...if not required in many locales........it's hard to find herring to jig..and since there's not as many fish around....weighted rods don't cut it depending on where you're fishing as there are fewer fish in the upper part of the water column....

That's why we have hatcheries and lingcod and rock cod farms on the coast now..cuz we're doing such a good job of fishing everything into oblivion, not to mention the closure of many many canneries on the coast in the early 1900's as the beginning of the end to salmon abundance in the form then known...not so long ago really! Now we're able to exponentially fish the ocean in ways we never could before, with a fleet just a fraction of what it was.

In my life time, I'm expecting to see a daily limit of 1 spring per day over 65 cm, and a possession limit of 2 springs of which none may be over 80 cm, and an annual coast wide limit of 10 if that.


I fully expect the daily limit of Lings to be 1, with a possession limit of 2.

That's where we're headed..and in the not too distant future...IMO.

Oh yeah..I'd like to add that I'm one of the humans responsible for the decline of fish stocks too..I used to be a salmon fishing guide who had a reputation of fishing the $&*^ out of certain locales for my guests for all species. I'm one of the guys out there fishing with downriggers too to try to hook fish. I'm pretty good at that too..so I'm partially responsible for the decline of fish stocks. Oh yeah....I'm guilty too, and I bear responsibility for contributing to the mess we're in.

I've never poached, nor will I ever, and I've never fished for anything other than my personal consumption when angling personally..and I'm bear partial responsibility for this mess we're in.

 

[Charter Tofino]

There still is a number of areas where you can drop anything to the bottom and catch Rockfish/lings all day but i agree they are getting fewer and fewer. As for bycatch there are a few things lings will take that rockfish wont but not many. I just try to go bigger than a rockfish would normaly target which also helps less bycatch of small lings. Just one of many species going downhill in these areas

 

[Charter Tofino]

There still is a number of areas where you can drop anything to the bottom and catch Rockfish/lings all day but i agree they are getting fewer and fewer. As for bycatch there are a few things lings will take that rockfish wont but not many. I just try to go bigger than a rockfish would normaly target which also helps less bycatch of small lings. Just one of many species going downhill in these areas

 

[knucklebuster]

F M,you seem so sure about the doom of the fishery but you continue to fish for salmon.Aren't they in trouble ? Why will you go and catch salmon,as well as all your guide friends, but you won't take a ling.
I could go out this afternoon and gaurantee a ling,but I can't do the same for a salmon.

 

[knucklebuster]

F M,you seem so sure about the doom of the fishery but you continue to fish for salmon.Aren't they in trouble ? Why will you go and catch salmon,as well as all your guide friends, but you won't take a ling.
I could go out this afternoon and gaurantee a ling,but I can't do the same for a salmon.

 

[nedarb2]

Like Kells mentioned, i can go to Porlier and pull out a ling and rock cod every 45 seconds pretty much all the time. I havnt cought anything big however in there however, but my friend fishes there all the time has told me about some huge lings he's cought in the past. When it does open, im not goign to go and pull out a ling for every peson on the boat, but if we land a decent one Ill keep it for dinner if somebody onboard wants it..

 

[nedarb2]

Like Kells mentioned, i can go to Porlier and pull out a ling and rock cod every 45 seconds pretty much all the time. I havnt cought anything big however in there however, but my friend fishes there all the time has told me about some huge lings he's cought in the past. When it does open, im not goign to go and pull out a ling for every peson on the boat, but if we land a decent one Ill keep it for dinner if somebody onboard wants it..

 

[nedarb2]

Kelly**** [B)]

 

[nedarb2]

Kelly**** [B)]

 

[knucklebuster]

I don't know why no one is concerned about lings on the west coast.3 per day and a longer season.
One of my suppliers took us on a fishing weekend last May to Canadian Princess resort.20 guys.About 1/2 dozen salmon caught but everyone limited on ling cod.three each.You can imagine what the decks looked like.There was no room to walk.(I was the only guy who took nothing home).Ya think that fishery will last?

 

[knucklebuster]

I don't know why no one is concerned about lings on the west coast.3 per day and a longer season.
One of my suppliers took us on a fishing weekend last May to Canadian Princess resort.20 guys.About 1/2 dozen salmon caught but everyone limited on ling cod.three each.You can imagine what the decks looked like.There was no room to walk.(I was the only guy who took nothing home).Ya think that fishery will last?

 

[Mr. Dean]

I for one will have NO ill feelings retaining one of em.
If thats what the DFO wants......Then it's our duty to do so.

Time to get the jiggin' gear tuned up and loaded onto the boat AND dig out my large yellow and black skirts. []

...Happy days are Ling again!!....

In the end I see this as being no more than a test fishery.

 

[Mr. Dean]

I for one will have NO ill feelings retaining one of em.
If thats what the DFO wants......Then it's our duty to do so.

Time to get the jiggin' gear tuned up and loaded onto the boat AND dig out my large yellow and black skirts. []

...Happy days are Ling again!!....

In the end I see this as being no more than a test fishery.

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by knucklebuster

F M,you seem so sure about the doom of the fishery but you continue to fish for salmon.Aren't they in trouble ? Why will you go and catch salmon,as well as all your guide friends, but you won't take a ling.
I could go out this afternoon and gaurantee a ling,but I can't do the same for a salmon.

I see your point.

However, I don't kill Pinks, I release Pinks and Chum, I only kill the odd Hatchery Coho for the table, and in Vancouver, I release more springs than I keep. I released a high thirties/ low forties 2 years ago in among 50 boats. Several of the guys questioned me and guide boats marvelled saying they had never seen the release of such a fish on the lower coast...jaws literally dropped. That was the only fish I have ever seen released of that size in Vancouver in my lifetime too...so there.

Anyways..thanks for tipping off the world about where to fish for lings close to Vancouver...particularly a notable group of anglers who will probably be fishing over there hauling in as many as they can...and then selling them to their friends and friends of friends.

 

[fishin_magician]

quote:Originally posted by knucklebuster

F M,you seem so sure about the doom of the fishery but you continue to fish for salmon.Aren't they in trouble ? Why will you go and catch salmon,as well as all your guide friends, but you won't take a ling.
I could go out this afternoon and gaurantee a ling,but I can't do the same for a salmon.

I see your point.

However, I don't kill Pinks, I release Pinks and Chum, I only kill the odd Hatchery Coho for the table, and in Vancouver, I release more springs than I keep. I released a high thirties/ low forties 2 years ago in among 50 boats. Several of the guys questioned me and guide boats marvelled saying they had never seen the release of such a fish on the lower coast...jaws literally dropped. That was the only fish I have ever seen released of that size in Vancouver in my lifetime too...so there.

Anyways..thanks for tipping off the world about where to fish for lings close to Vancouver...particularly a notable group of anglers who will probably be fishing over there hauling in as many as they can...and then selling them to their friends and friends of friends.

 

[Red Monster]

Hey, F'ing Magician, I think you're way out of line to make such characterizations about members here. [?] Did someone die and appoint you Fishing Know-it-all?