brutus
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Hard one to explain lol, that one sank I will pull up picture later lol again I am not delusional lol, comparing a NW with a Chinese boat is not even fair, but with a KF is fair game
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How to unload Chinese tin boats
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Easy there!!!!Hard one to explain lol, that one sank I will pull up picture later lol again I am not delusional lol, comparing a NW with a Chinese boat is not even fair, but with a KF is fair game
trophywife
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the older ones are by far better, mine was 2006 and was an amazing boat. zero issues.
brutus
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Probably before the rise of the brand, now they mass produce and use whatever welder they can keep on payroll
Rain City
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Gospel did the exact same thing with a Jasper video.
Buckethead905
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That pic was the mic-drop for this entire conversation. I doubt there are that many of these floating around our waters (I’ve never seen one) and to find that exact model of boat that’s already sunk, end of discussion, they are junk. I saw a Chinese aluminium at Parker this year while I was doing my repower, you would not believe how big of a piece of **** that thing was unless you crawled on it yourself, it was shocking.
zurk
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on a more amusing note - this is a $1 million CAD yacht made in China brand new -
Guess it didnt work out because of poor carbon fiber isolation from the stainless (carbon fiber is conductive BTW and has some of the same issues as aluminum) without using washers and epoxy to isolate the stainless fasteners, crappy charge circuitry with mixed AGM/lithium chemistry and a whole bunch of other major issues causing galvanic corrosion and stray currents everywhere.
InterMechanico
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these guys are great. Sailing Ruby Rose as well
kaelc
Crew Member
Really? Seems like they have an Australian partner and a few influencers who could produce content. Where did you see it alibaba?
Rain City
Crew Member
I was speaking with Jason for a couple months. I wanted to see one in person. The ones that were supposed to arrive in June never showed by late August so I gave up. During that time I had followed a lot of their pages. I made a comment on the post when I saw it, they might have taken it down when I did.
Alex_c
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Would love to see someone shoot one of those things with an XRF analyzer and see what kinda alloy they’re actually using for the plate AND the filler material in the weldment.
And “pretty” welds do not equal strong welds. I’d trust a local builder who can actually tell you the manufacturing process, source of materials, and engineering methods/philosophy.
But I’m just an asshole with an internet connection and an opinion.
And “pretty” welds do not equal strong welds. I’d trust a local builder who can actually tell you the manufacturing process, source of materials, and engineering methods/philosophy.
But I’m just an asshole with an internet connection and an opinion.
Marley
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I am always nervous about made in China products. Remember the Johnson street bridge. If PCL got duped what happens to the average boat buyer. Local producers might cost more but you can trust them and you get service if you have issues. I just wish I could afford a bigger locally made boat lol.
www.timescolonist.com
Rejection of China-fabricated steel could delay bridge project
All steel fabricated in China for the Johnson Street Bridge may have to be rejected, potentially delaying completion by months, Victoria councillors were told Thursday.
www.timescolonist.com
brutus
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Tell me you don’t fish with Amundsen reels ????
brutus
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You do realize that local boats are made of Chinese aluminum ??? Now I did not do a purity test on these boats lol it’s just a fact that 90% of aluminum used in Canada get unloaded out of the same shipping container those boats came in. In fact a huge % of all things made of aluminum comes from china. Again I am in the same BOAT as most on here I don’t trust the quality of nothing coming from china, corporation don’t give a s….and that’s why they source the production in china, labour at 3$ a day or Canada labour at 500$ a day . I wish it wasn’t the case, unless your head is far up where the sun don’t shine lol you refuse to acknowledge the pure fact of the case. Like I mention before I buy lots of stuff from Amazon cause it’s cheaper and it all comes from china
Marley
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That is true. I am worried about what the tariffs on aluminum is going to do to boat prices as most of it comes from China.
Fisher_dude
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We had some samples of our product made in china. I work in a 100% alloy shop. Anything that doesn’t rust is pretty much what we work with. The samples that we received back from china were worse than anything we have outsourced here in Canada. Stainless welds that came in rusting and magnetic for example. They have no standards it seems.
Fisher_dude
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Also, I have 2 red seal trades under my belt, both revolving around welding and metal and I wouldn’t own a KF. I also live in the valley they are built in. I’ve seen some interesting cases with them. They have a hard time keeping good welders employed. Any boat manufacturer that doesn’t cover up the center of their last whip/pulse/dab isn’t worth owning.
Fisher_dude
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Good vs bad. The last part of the weld to solidify is the center. If you leave the center visible, and the whole weld is like that, it’ll crack right down the middle due to a weak point in the center of all the pulses/whip/dab. I always go by a rule of 1/3 visable, 2/3 covered. That way you get lots of reinforcement for the weld and if your prep
Was good, you have nothing to worry about.
Was good, you have nothing to worry about.
Fisher_dude
Crew Member
Thanks for coming to my ted talk. Haha
kaelc
Crew Member
My friends company did QC and testing for every purchase from China and US suppliers. They did materials purity, ndt and failure testing, probably a lot more I just headhunted CNC machinist for them, but was greatful to learn and get a tour. One of the US household names they bought millions in product from had a huge failure rate. You could say the US supplier used cheap Chinese components or just that they had terrible qa/qc (I believe it was the QC).
Because a River Hawk boats sunk doesn't mean every aluminum boat manufacture in Grants Pass Oregon, is garbage or every manufafture in OR or the US is garbage. Katanacraft down there says “Based on multiple industry standards, our commercial welds are AWS-certified.” but if I was putting down any amount of money I would want a better understanding of how the boat was designed and what standards and testing they use?
There is a reason a lot of specmar and cope boats sell for way less than a factory produced boats, we don't know how good the welder fabricator was and if it wasn't from one of the medium size Vancouver Island builders if they even have a QC process. At least we know the design is pretty sound. With new manufactures we don't know the design, Fab or weld quality.
We digress, I wonder how long it takes to rig a new gospel. The issue of skilled labour still makes it tough to get these in the water. When do you think they will sea trail these in April?
Because a River Hawk boats sunk doesn't mean every aluminum boat manufacture in Grants Pass Oregon, is garbage or every manufafture in OR or the US is garbage. Katanacraft down there says “Based on multiple industry standards, our commercial welds are AWS-certified.” but if I was putting down any amount of money I would want a better understanding of how the boat was designed and what standards and testing they use?
There is a reason a lot of specmar and cope boats sell for way less than a factory produced boats, we don't know how good the welder fabricator was and if it wasn't from one of the medium size Vancouver Island builders if they even have a QC process. At least we know the design is pretty sound. With new manufactures we don't know the design, Fab or weld quality.
We digress, I wonder how long it takes to rig a new gospel. The issue of skilled labour still makes it tough to get these in the water. When do you think they will sea trail these in April?
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