How to unload Chinese tin boats

[brutus]

My question would be, why is this boat for sale. Only after what looks to be one season. Engine has 1000 hours but is a 2020 engine so how many of those were put on with this boat?

I do like the look of it tho. But anything bigger than my 14 lund looks nice

Lease return is my guess

 

[zurk]

$27,500 CAD each unrigged is a decent price. i checked out chinese and russian boats before i bought my KF and immediately bought my KF right after. the welding on the KF is waay better than the welding on the chinese and russian boats. they are also made of thinner aluminum. that being said if you want a boat for $50K rigged at 24 feet new you wont get a boat from an established brand anyway.
im working on a potential contract for a barge (self propelled) and the chinese are selling 40 foot hulls for $50K which is amazing (in GRP) with diesel motor and rigging. i dont care about the quality so much since im not trusting my life to one of those so im good with it. if it sinks, NBD. can always buy 2 more.

 

[brutus]

$27,500 CAD each unrigged is a decent price. i checked out chinese and russian boats before i bought my KF and immediately bought my KF right after. the welding on the KF is waay better than the welding on the chinese and russian boats. they are also made of thinner aluminum. that being said if you want a boat for $50K rigged at 24 feet new you wont get a boat from an established brand anyway.
im working on a potential contract for a barge (self propelled) and the chinese are selling 40 foot hulls for $50K which is amazing (in GRP) with diesel motor and rigging. i dont care about the quality so much since im not trusting my life to one of those so im good with it. if it sinks, NBD. can always buy 2 more.

I taught the same about the welding quality and I was surprise of the quality, and hull look solid, 1/4” bottom, the only think I did not like is the paint, other then that I was impressed.

 

[zurk]

you can always sandblast and strip the paint to replace it with interprotect 2000e which will stick to aluminum and never come off or land some unpainted hulls. would likely need to inject flotation foam into it anyway to make it transport canada compliant so maybe just getting a bare unfinished hull would be a better option. i would check the stringers if you can. i know russian (VF) boats skip out on stringer quality since its not readily inspectable. they will cut corners where they can.

 

[brutus]

you can always sandblast and strip the paint to replace it with interprotect 2000e which will stick to aluminum and never come off or land some unpainted hulls. would likely need to inject flotation foam into it anyway to make it transport canada compliant so maybe just getting a bare unfinished hull would be a better option. i would check the stringers if you can. i know russian (VF) boats skip out on stringer quality since its not readily inspectable. they will cut corners where they can.

Ya I wish I would of had more time to do a full inspection but I did this after work at 3 yesterder was done at 6 out and on boat trailers

 

[Max123]

@brutus - thanks for keeping us in the loop. Lots of visceral dislike for the off-shore product. I think we all like the idea of buying local (hell, I own a local aluminum boat) - but inflation has had a really negative impact on the price of locally made boats. I don't fault these guys - I bet they are making less money on more expensive boats - its the cost of labour, materials and especially industrial real estate.

That said, if you are against off-shore boats taking local jobs then include StabiCraft in that list (from NZ). I have no special hatred for a chinese made boat, just because it comes from China. If they can make an iphone, I'm sure they'll figure out how to make a boat.

 

[brutus]

@brutus - thanks for keeping us in the loop. Lots of visceral dislike for the off-shore product. I think we all like the idea of buying local (hell, I own a local aluminum boat) - but inflation has had a really negative impact on the price of locally made boats. I don't fault these guys - I bet they are making less money on more expensive boats - its the cost of labour, materials and especially industrial real estate.

That said, if you are against off-shore boats taking local jobs then include StabiCraft in that list (from NZ). I have no special hatred for a chinese made boat, just because it comes from China. If they can make an iphone, I'm sure they'll figure out how to make a boat.

Exactly what the buyers said ( both Chinese) the price reflect the cheap labour to built them and materials. And what is not made in china now a days, I buy a lot of equipment and tools ( parts and all) for my vehicles and machinery and 90% of it comes from china unfortunately

 

[bigbruce]

Just for context - I think one of these is currently for sale - so this is what it looks like all rigged up:

Allseas 7.5 Profisher - boats - by owner - craigslist

2023 Allseas ProFisher 7.5 with a 2020 Mercury Sea Pro 300. Custom side cockpit gate allows easy access for limited mobility, your favourite old dogs, scuba divers or big fish! Garmin Chart/ Sonar....

vancouver.craigslist.org

I'd withhold judgement for now - the internet has a enough cranks commenting on blurry photos with not enough info

I think the main knock on these is that pretty often they are rigged in China as well, and the setup is absolute garbage. I'd separate the two: assess the bare hull - assess the rigging. I think the craigslist boat above gets roasted for bad rigging. Lots of capable companies/people can rig these up nicely, but if the hull just rides poorly there isn't much you can do about that.

Don’t see a a registration number (BC) on this boat. Wonder why?

 

[Tomic Slayer]

Do any of you ever look at the positive side of things?

I’ve read over pages and page of stuff, and my oh my are members ever negative when it comes to stuff they know absolutely nothing about. Rather then hammering on the original poster why not get up from behind whatever keyboard or screen you hide yourself behind and go look. Not just these boats, but all the other stuff you pour yourselves over when you really know squat.

 

[zurk]

the problem isnt visceral hate or buy local. the problem is they cut quality where you cant inspect (stringers, flotation foam) and then you take the same boat on the ocean where you have to trust your life to it. ultimately i dont trust - or buy - anything which i cant take apart and inspect which i trust my life to. ive been in the bowels of all my boats and checked stringers/welds/wiring/plumbing since i trust them with my life. i buy tons of chinese crap, i just wouldnt trust it with my life unless i go and inspect it at the factory as its being built. chinese cut corners because of a culture issue - its called chabuduo - it means close enough or 70% done is fine. If what you’re making represents a world utterly out of reach to you, why bother to do it well? for most chinese owning a boat or yacht is utterly out of reach so why should they care about its quality ? so they dont.

 

[Tomic Slayer]

the problem isnt visceral hate or buy local. the problem is they cut quality where you cant inspect (stringers, flotation foam) and then you take the same boat on the ocean where you have to trust your life to it. ultimately i dont trust - or buy - anything which i cant take apart and inspect which i trust my life to. ive been in the bowels of all my boats and checked stringers/welds/wiring/plumbing since i trust them with my life. i buy tons of chinese crap, i just wouldnt trust it with my life unless i go and inspect it at the factory as its being built. chinese cut corners because of a culture issue - its called chabuduo - it means close enough or 70% done is fine. If what you’re making represents a world utterly out of reach to you, why bother to do it well? for most chinese owning a boat or yacht is utterly out of reach so why should they care about its quality ? so they dont.

You continue to have an opinion on absolutely everything. One day you’ll you learn to just keep it to yourself.

How do I block this Zurk person?

 

[zurk]

hmmf. considering ive actually been to several chinese cities, visited boat factories and continue to do so i'll state my opinion on the matter, thanks.
ive also visited boat building factories in turkey, france, poland, uk, tunisia and canada.
if you want to tell me im wrong thats fine - state your reason why and say so. im happy to be corrected by anyone.

 

[kaelc]

Lots of positive comments. Gospel is one of the better manufacturers in China, from my understanding, un like some of the Alibaba BS. This one is like other ones on there steeling Silver Streak videos and others their photos without the logo even covered up like it is in this video. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-Direct-27-ft-Aluminum-Fishing_1600987226550.html

 

[Irishwolf]

the problem isnt visceral hate or buy local. the problem is they cut quality where you cant inspect (stringers, flotation foam) and then you take the same boat on the ocean where you have to trust your life to it. ultimately i dont trust - or buy - anything which i cant take apart and inspect which i trust my life to. ive been in the bowels of all my boats and checked stringers/welds/wiring/plumbing since i trust them with my life. i buy tons of chinese crap, i just wouldnt trust it with my life unless i go and inspect it at the factory as its being built. chinese cut corners because of a culture issue - its called chabuduo - it means close enough or 70% done is fine. If what you’re making represents a world utterly out of reach to you, why bother to do it well? for most chinese owning a boat or yacht is utterly out of reach so why should they care about its quality ? so they dont.

Would be interesting to see a tear down done on one of these. Then we’d know for sure. Costly endeavor tho.

 

[brutus]

You continue to have an opinion on absolutely everything. One day you’ll you learn to just keep it to yourself.

How do I block this Zurk person?

Look for the block button lol, I use it all the time, I am sure some use it on me too

 

[Charter Tofino]

Not to hate as I know next to nothing about these hulls but I did see a new one sink while tied to the dock this week. Assumption was a through hull fail or cracked weld. No access below hull so makes for tough inspections.

 

[brutus]

Not to hate as I know next to nothing about these hulls but I did see a new one sink while tied to the dock this week. Assumption was a through hull fail or cracked weld. No access below hull so makes for tough inspections.

A northwest custom sank at gateway last year for the same reason, does that make NW a bad built boat ???, through hull fail all the time on all kinds of boats, maintenance and inspection of your boat is up to you not the manufacturer , could be as simple as a bad caulking job, crack welds is another story, the is why I look at welds before I look at anything else on a tin boat, tin boats are not my thing would never buy one period, I am just sharing my first hand view of these boats, IMO they are a medium quality boat just like trophy’s is in the glass boats

 

[Gong Show]

If it is true that you cannot inspect the through hulls from the inside, that is just scary.
Overall, a boat's job is pretty easy, don't sink.

Inspection of through hulls is proper due diligence for the boat to achieve its primary mission.

I push my boats hard and therefore require a high level of confidence is all systems, that is why I can inspect those things that could cause my boat to fail its primary mission.

 

[Whole in the Water]

Lots of positive comments. Gospel is one of the better manufacturers in China, from my understanding, un like some of the Alibaba BS. This one is like other ones on there steeling Silver Streak videos and others their photos without the logo even covered up like it is in this video. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-Direct-27-ft-Aluminum-Fishing_1600987226550.html

Wow, thanks for posting - what a sad state of affairs! This Chinese company cannot even make their own videos of the product they produce but steal videos from reputable companies to flog their stuff. Totally sleazy and for this reason alone I would never buy from any company that does this regardless of where it is made. Not only this but you can buy 5 or more of these 27 ft boats for $15K each - for that price they gotta be a high quality product!

 

[brutus]

If it is true that you cannot inspect the through hulls from the inside, that is just scary.
Overall, a boat's job is pretty easy, don't sink.

Inspection of through hulls is proper due diligence for the boat to achieve its primary mission.

I push my boats hard and therefore require a high level of confidence is all systems, that is why I can inspect those things that could cause my boat to fail its primary mission.

Again comes down to boat ownership , and knowledge , I’ve owned douzen boats over the years, and been on a lot more, some of them add very hard access to basic stuff, some I made my own acces hatch for that simple reason, as far as these ones I did not have time to look at what accessed what