Halibut - Coastwide Closure
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twinwinds
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I have fished crab,prawn,shrimp and salmon commercially for the last 20 yrs. I have put in my time volunteering at the hatchery as well as doing other restoration work in certain river systems on the Saanich peninsula and continue to do so.
So the comments about commercial fisherman not taking the time to give back is not true as i know a lot of my friends and family that commercial fish also do the same.
Remember also that its not the commercial fisherman's fault nor the sport fisherman's fault that we are in the state we are in now, its some politician sitting behind some desk in Ottawa. so lets not take shots at each other..we are all here so our kids will have something to fish for in the future!
My 2 cents
Cheers all
So the comments about commercial fisherman not taking the time to give back is not true as i know a lot of my friends and family that commercial fish also do the same.
Remember also that its not the commercial fisherman's fault nor the sport fisherman's fault that we are in the state we are in now, its some politician sitting behind some desk in Ottawa. so lets not take shots at each other..we are all here so our kids will have something to fish for in the future!
My 2 cents
Cheers all
I've got a ton of commercial fisherman as friends to...
There is a huge problem with giving control of 88%+ of an allowable catch to 400 or so individuals, of which most don't even fish the quota themselves.
When they even went to quota...the only guy's that got screwed were the crew members...now they fish hard for peanuts....
Any way you slice it...the fishery has been progressively heading in the wrong direction. It's happening in Alaska and now it's happening here!
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gyper
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Very well put! I wonder how many people don't think of the fact that guides do not bring fish home when working. and you must work alot of days each year? also it'squote:Originally posted by wolf
You are blaming the charter/guides I think you need to direct it to dfo and the real commercial fisherman,and the abuseres of sport fishing
As a guide yes true we do make a living but not like the boys in the big boats we have a very short season and we dont make 100,0000 of dollars it thats for sure we all need second jobs to support us there isnt too many charter/guides who can live on fishing alone.
Say you go fishing with your buddies for the day and they toss you a 100 bucks each for fuel n bait etc as you own the boat and YOU are taking them fishing, as the law is concerend because you have accepted money for gas you are now deemed "commercial" I know very stupid law but thats how it is written so really you are all commercial sportfisherman LOL LOL only difference now is I get a bit more money and you get to take home some fish[V][V]and I dont.
We have out there people who abuse our fishing so bad Ill use salmon for example ok because it is all fishing as you know I was out every day I saw so much abuse this year it was gross this one boat for instance was fishing sec/possesion faithfully every day 2 old guys in it and they knew how to fish saw them one morning get 4 springs then they went in and 30 mins later the same 2 were back looking for more they were there everyday after a week I asked them if they had enough fish as I saw them bring in a lot of fish "getting there" he replied, this is the abuse thats is hurting it.
I have only 3 springs in my freezer and thats it we are only allowed 20 springs a year THATS (way too much if you ask me)it how much salmon or halibut does one person or family really need??????the days of hanging 16 fish off a pole are in the past.
Lets face the facts sportfishing and tourism bring in a ton of money to our province and communities if they start shutting things we are going into the tank thats for sure it looks very bleak for our future!!!!!!!
SAD but true Wolf
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too bad there are people like the 2 old boys you spoke of.
highlights
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Guides fascillitate the success rate of the liscensed angler. No more no less.
Bottom line is qouta for all user groups is out of whack and never alloted accordingly considering the amount of revenue that is generated specifically.
Bottom line is qouta for all user groups is out of whack and never alloted accordingly considering the amount of revenue that is generated specifically.
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Bogman
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I hear alot of complaning on hear that people don't want to partisipate in creel surveys or give DFO catch numbers but believe me this is what got the sports sector there low 12% in the first place. I now run a sports lodge on the west side of the Charlottes but prior to 2000 I was a commercial fisherman with one of the larger halibut quota's on the coast. I sat on the Halibut Advisory board and while the sport sector had a seat on that board they rairly attentended meetings and we could NEVER get accurate catch numbers from them. Had those numbers been avaliable years ago maybe...just maybe the percentages would be higher today. I know they SFAB and SFI are more active now and it all helps and I know they are trying to get a mechanism in place to get some commercial quota to increase sports percentage in the future but for now the sports fleet will have to live with past mistakes. These are only my personal views but I was there to watch it all happen.
Lipripper
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It would be nice too, to see a catch record for sporties as they do the comm sector. Atleast we wouldnt be able to b*&^h about it, but you might know as well as I think I know..... those numbers for the sport harvest are as good as half educated guesses.
..... so lets shut it down?
..... so lets shut it down?
reeladventures
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On my freshwater license, there is a stamp that we buy to keep giant Rainbow trout in Kootenay Lake. At the end of each season, everybody that has bought a rainbow stamp receives a survey in the mail. A lot of people send back their information and that helps figure out our catch rates and quotas. Why couldn't they do the same with anybody that purchases a Salmon stamp? Too much work I guess, but it would definitely help get some accurate numbers.
wolf
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Thank you it is refreshing to see someone who gets it!!!!!!!!
All the guides that are on here say we take out an avg of say 50 clients in a summer at an avg of 4 people per trip so that works out to 200 liscences purchased so they bought a 1 day or 3 day liscence and tag, if you do the math thats is a lot of money generated dont you all think.
Us locals pay it once for a tiny amount of under 30 bucks and if we want we could fish 365 days so who do you think is really funding our fishery?????TOURISM and people out of province!!!!!
The bottom line here is it doesnt matter if it us charterguys or the avg joe or FN we are getting screwed over by big business while the commercial boys contine fishing if they are going to close a fishery then close it to EVERYONE!!!!!!!!especially the one that take the most.
Thanks for letting me rant WOLF
p.s. twinwinds did you get a deer????
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IronNoggin
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Ummm... NOPE! Not at all the case for halibut. The halibut stocks along our coast are fairing right well these days, and to this point present no real conservation concerns related to numbers. The crux of the matter is not that we are witnessing a decline in those populations, but rather How The Pie Is Divided. Currently the recreational sector is limited to 12% of the Total Allowable Harvest in Canada. This leaves 88% for the commercial long-line fleet. Not hard to determine even with a simple glance just what those ratios represent in terms of real numbers. The recreational catch is exponentially less than that of the commercial sector. So, what is driving this current mechanism is exactly like a couple of ol'hounds circling a fence post. The commercial ladz as previously noted certainly desire us (the sporties) to get off the water, and heaven forbid we go over our minimal harvest number by even a smidge! Of course this translates to more catch for them, so not hard to understand their agenda. And, with the advent of of DFO's new "vision" (or lack thereof as the case may be) for Pacific fisheries, should the recreational sector require more in the way of numbers, the commercial Licence holders can offer up some of theirs for ransom amounts of coin. Bottom line here looks suspiciously like greed to me...
Finally, don't think for an instant that were we (the sporties) to reduce our harvest rate (whether by choice or as imposed as is about to happen) that the exact same number of halibut won't be removed from the system. Really! Any reduction in our catch will simply be realized as an available "excess" for the commercial folks. Win-Win situation from their point of view methinks.
So, your suggestion that guides who facilitate success rates are driving the numbers of halibut (as this thread is focused on) down to the point there may be ramifications for the "average Joe" and or his children is a complete misnomer. Just in case you are wondering, Yes, I am one of those "Facilitators" you speak of...[^]
Cheers,
Nog
definatly read iron noggins post its dead on. the last papers i read from halibut commision said no problem with inshore halibut stocks. this is commercial worried that we are catching too many of "their" fish these fish are a public resource. not just for 400 or so commercial longliners.
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kngfsh7
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The local sfab meeting is nov 18 at esquimalt anglers
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