Halibut - Coastwide Closure
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fah cups
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I know for sure I will boycotting all future creel surveys,from this day on. Lets achour up boys! FC
your absolutley right...
Believe me, we are better off taking the closure during the winter than reducing our daily/possesion limit.
Let's not forget that there is a huge body of recreational and guides that our counting on a 2 a day possesion for 2009.
If this still alows us to keep that for years to come...we might want to think about this for a while.
just my 2 cents.
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the fog ducker
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Apologies , I retracted my earlier comment about the closing of halibut retention as of Oct 31/08 , till Dec 31/08 , Didn't think it was a Big Deal !! I thought this was for all Fisherman not just the Sporties , My Bad ,I Read the notice REAL quick , Now i see why , understandably, why all are upset !! Let's hope this is not the beginning of the end. This is one of my favorite fisheries . take care .
Cheers , FD
the Fog Ducker
Cheers , FD
the Fog Ducker
Tenmile;
The commercial fleet is closed from Nov.15 to the next opening date usually sometime in March.
I have friends that commercial fish and they are young people who have mortgaged there house to buy into the halibut fishery. It's part of a business plan.
Commercial sports (charters) catch 70% of the sports allocation, and lots of their clients are not Canadian. While I was in Prince Rupert this year one charter vessel was bragging about catching 21,000lbs for the season. The charters are as commercial as any commercial vessel on the water. Why are the charter boats not having to pony up and lease or buy quota? Maybe then there might be some left for the rest of us? .. You wonder why the season is getting closed..?
The commercial fleet is closed from Nov.15 to the next opening date usually sometime in March.
I have friends that commercial fish and they are young people who have mortgaged there house to buy into the halibut fishery. It's part of a business plan.
Commercial sports (charters) catch 70% of the sports allocation, and lots of their clients are not Canadian. While I was in Prince Rupert this year one charter vessel was bragging about catching 21,000lbs for the season. The charters are as commercial as any commercial vessel on the water. Why are the charter boats not having to pony up and lease or buy quota? Maybe then there might be some left for the rest of us? .. You wonder why the season is getting closed..?
Tailspin
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I can see your point on some of the big lodge/charter operations, however to clump all charters into the same pile is a tad off course id say. The issue is, that it will only be a matter of time before all is allocated to the BC groundline fleet, who is having a tough go at it as well. With quota and huge operation costs this year, some commercial hali boats are just selling off Quota and staying dockside.
To have small charter operators purchase quota, would finish any profit margin for most. I know it would stop hali trips all together for me.
With luck, maybe it will just conserve for the now to allow us back at it in the Spring[?]
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highlights
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Good points here.
Hmmmmm........ guides quite possibly should be seen as much a sector as anything else. Simply seen as recreational doesn't quite fit the bill for that type of requirement of the resource.
The owner of such a business has overhead which dictates the use of the boat on a daily basis. A guide operation must sustain a level of consistency and efficiency in order to maintain return patronage.
Shouldn't be in the same category as weekend Joe and his kronies trying to scratch up a couple.
Even a very skilled non professional that "slays" ultimately does not rely on the resource for his livlyhood. There should be a differant set of rules for you guys. Good and maybe not so good . But your own set none the less.
Hmmmmm........ guides quite possibly should be seen as much a sector as anything else. Simply seen as recreational doesn't quite fit the bill for that type of requirement of the resource.
The owner of such a business has overhead which dictates the use of the boat on a daily basis. A guide operation must sustain a level of consistency and efficiency in order to maintain return patronage.
Shouldn't be in the same category as weekend Joe and his kronies trying to scratch up a couple.
Even a very skilled non professional that "slays" ultimately does not rely on the resource for his livlyhood. There should be a differant set of rules for you guys. Good and maybe not so good . But your own set none the less.
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gyper
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this should get interesting.
Sort of makes sense, you make your living from the fishing industry, you are a "commercial" enterprise !!The only time a guide can really be considered a sporty is when he takes a day off and goes fishing for his own recreation.
BUT, and it`s a big but, the people he takes out fishing are not there to make a living so they can`t be considered commercial,,,,,
Too confusing, makes my head hurt !!
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BUT, and it`s a big but, the people he takes out fishing are not there to make a living so they can`t be considered commercial,,,,,
Too confusing, makes my head hurt !!![
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wolf
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You are blaming the charter/guides I think you need to direct it to dfo and the real commercial fisherman,and the abuseres of sport fishing
As a guide yes true we do make a living but not like the boys in the big boats we have a very short season and we dont make 100,0000 of dollars it thats for sure we all need second jobs to support us there isnt too many charter/guides who can live on fishing alone.
Say you go fishing with your buddies for the day and they toss you a 100 bucks each for fuel n bait etc as you own the boat and YOU are taking them fishing, as the law is concerend because you have accepted money for gas you are now deemed "commercial" I know very stupid law but thats how it is written so really you are all commercial sportfisherman LOL LOL only difference now is I get a bit more money and you get to take home some fish
[V][V]and I dont.
We have out there people who abuse our fishing so bad Ill use salmon for example ok because it is all fishing as you know I was out every day I saw so much abuse this year it was gross this one boat for instance was fishing sec/possesion faithfully every day 2 old guys in it and they knew how to fish saw them one morning get 4 springs then they went in and 30 mins later the same 2 were back looking for more they were there everyday after a week I asked them if they had enough fish as I saw them bring in a lot of fish "getting there" he replied, this is the abuse thats is hurting it.
I have only 3 springs in my freezer and thats it we are only allowed 20 springs a year THATS (way too much if you ask me)it how much salmon or halibut does one person or family really need??????the days of hanging 16 fish off a pole are in the past.
Lets face the facts sportfishing and tourism bring in a ton of money to our province and communities if they start shutting things we are going into the tank thats for sure it looks very bleak for our future!!!!!!!
SAD but true Wolf
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As a guide yes true we do make a living but not like the boys in the big boats we have a very short season and we dont make 100,0000 of dollars it thats for sure we all need second jobs to support us there isnt too many charter/guides who can live on fishing alone.
Say you go fishing with your buddies for the day and they toss you a 100 bucks each for fuel n bait etc as you own the boat and YOU are taking them fishing, as the law is concerend because you have accepted money for gas you are now deemed "commercial" I know very stupid law but thats how it is written so really you are all commercial sportfisherman LOL LOL only difference now is I get a bit more money and you get to take home some fish
[V][V]and I dont.We have out there people who abuse our fishing so bad Ill use salmon for example ok because it is all fishing as you know I was out every day I saw so much abuse this year it was gross this one boat for instance was fishing sec/possesion faithfully every day 2 old guys in it and they knew how to fish saw them one morning get 4 springs then they went in and 30 mins later the same 2 were back looking for more they were there everyday after a week I asked them if they had enough fish as I saw them bring in a lot of fish "getting there" he replied, this is the abuse thats is hurting it.
I have only 3 springs in my freezer and thats it we are only allowed 20 springs a year THATS (way too much if you ask me)it how much salmon or halibut does one person or family really need??????the days of hanging 16 fish off a pole are in the past.
Lets face the facts sportfishing and tourism bring in a ton of money to our province and communities if they start shutting things we are going into the tank thats for sure it looks very bleak for our future!!!!!!!
SAD but true Wolf
Blue Wolf Charters
www.bluewolfcharters.com
Tailspin
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I am sure glad i don't make a living off fishing, not many sooke or Vic charters do. It just pays for extra goodies, wear and tear, moorage, insurance and maintenance for the boat.
Either way we are all going to pay the price now! Think of the Fishing stores, we as rec fisherman, not commercial, sit idle , so do they.
One thing that really folds my butt is the amount of time spent on voluteer work by guys like myself and many other guys& gals who devote their entire free time to hatchery work and stream rehab up and down this rock.....Then our allocation is handed out elsewhere[xx(]
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Either way we are all going to pay the price now! Think of the Fishing stores, we as rec fisherman, not commercial, sit idle , so do they.
One thing that really folds my butt is the amount of time spent on voluteer work by guys like myself and many other guys& gals who devote their entire free time to hatchery work and stream rehab up and down this rock.....Then our allocation is handed out elsewhere[xx(]
www.tailspincharters.com
that's a real interesting point, tailspin.
can anyone with experience comment on the percentage of sports vs commercial fishermen donating time to hatchery and sustainability work? is it common for commercial groups/license holders to donate money to hateries and enhancement programs?
can anyone with experience comment on the percentage of sports vs commercial fishermen donating time to hatchery and sustainability work? is it common for commercial groups/license holders to donate money to hateries and enhancement programs?
Let's not forget one very important point here fella's.
The commercial sector gained there quota based on past catch history through landing data upon delivery.
They got to use a certain year to year data to come up with their allowable catch/quota.
They never actually purchased it in the first place, it was allocated to them.
So if I'm considered a commercial/guide and have past catch history/data recorded and reported...should I not be allowed a certain amount based on past history.
Let's face it, shutting the doors on the recreational fishery will hurt everything from the fuel docks to hotel/restaurants...it makes no sense.
The loop holes are to far apart on monitering a rec fishery past a daily limit.
The fact that as a guide all I really do is provide a platform that allows people to fish for what they got a license to do in the first place...does that in itself make us commercial fisherman or not...I don't know!
The very truth is that quota fisheries make a very few of us rich and famous and the rest of us don't gain a thing.
www.coastwidesportsfishing.com
The commercial sector gained there quota based on past catch history through landing data upon delivery.
They got to use a certain year to year data to come up with their allowable catch/quota.
They never actually purchased it in the first place, it was allocated to them.
So if I'm considered a commercial/guide and have past catch history/data recorded and reported...should I not be allowed a certain amount based on past history.
Let's face it, shutting the doors on the recreational fishery will hurt everything from the fuel docks to hotel/restaurants...it makes no sense.
The loop holes are to far apart on monitering a rec fishery past a daily limit.
The fact that as a guide all I really do is provide a platform that allows people to fish for what they got a license to do in the first place...does that in itself make us commercial fisherman or not...I don't know!
The very truth is that quota fisheries make a very few of us rich and famous and the rest of us don't gain a thing.
www.coastwidesportsfishing.com
Red Monster
Well-Known Member
It's all politics.
Considering how much money Sporties pay the government in liciences and stamps and all the taxes on fishing-related expenditures, we're getting screwed big time. The recreational fisherman does nothing but pay and pay and pay for the simple pleasure of going fishing while getting less and less all the time.
And to add insult to injury, as was mentioned, the folks who do the most to support hatcheries (sporties who take the fewest relative number of fish, who do not profit from fishing but actaully pay to fish, and who return the greatest economic benifit for fishing) are allocated less and less despite all their hard work and huge collective investment in both time and money.
Politics. Just like the fishfarms.
Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
Considering how much money Sporties pay the government in liciences and stamps and all the taxes on fishing-related expenditures, we're getting screwed big time. The recreational fisherman does nothing but pay and pay and pay for the simple pleasure of going fishing while getting less and less all the time.
And to add insult to injury, as was mentioned, the folks who do the most to support hatcheries (sporties who take the fewest relative number of fish, who do not profit from fishing but actaully pay to fish, and who return the greatest economic benifit for fishing) are allocated less and less despite all their hard work and huge collective investment in both time and money.
Politics. Just like the fishfarms.
Remember, it's called "fishing," not "catching."
so get your buddies with boats and do somewthing takesa half day to go anchor and shut down harbour. commercial boats would do it in a heartbeat, why not us? . coho ferry wouldnt get through so american news would cover it,too. why we letting these idiots push us around while we sit and take it. this closure isnt for conservation, we all know that. theres thousands of boats could be there.
ReelAffair
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It wouldn't be so bad if DFO KISSED US BEFORE THEY F*&^% US, It sucks when they cram it in with no LUBE
We should all get together and protest or get a petition going for DFO
We should all get together and protest or get a petition going for DFO
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