Emergency Victoria @ Area SFAB Mtg Re: 2018 Chinook - May 4/18

[wildmanyeah]

Wildmanyeah...u know the.brood is taken from hatcheries on the tributary rivers and not taken from wild Harrison stock itself?

Of course but if we’re getting a slot limit of 62mm to 85mm in the SOG we would be protecting all thoes hatchery stocks I mentioned that rear on in straight of Georgia along side Harrison stock.

So we would basically be protection all our hatchery fish as well. That are put their for recreational opportunity and I simply don’t see the point in that.

 

[Whitebuck]

Plus out of all the hatchery Vedder, cap and Chehalis fish....maybe 25% are actually clipped!!

 

[california]

Just going along with this DFO insanity over and over again while stocks continue to tank means we all just as negligent for not standing up for what needs to be done. We all need to demand a meaningful recovery plan with the resources to carry it out. NOW!

No argument there. As far as resources DFO has spent hundreds of millions on the SEP program since the 70s with near extinction of runs to show for it. The big expensive hatchery model is a failure, it allowed users to think that sensitive watersheds could be replaced with housing developments, clearcut logging, power generation and water diversions, and the hatcheries would make it all well. Well they didn't, and they won't.

It seems that salmon ranching in Alaska and Net pen projects in BC are yielding some good results on the production side.

Ranching in Alaska has produced lots of fish, but it is mostly pinks, some Chum as those species go straight to the sea after hatching so are better suited to that method. There is evidence that the massive number of pinks being produced are competing directly with Chinook in the gulf of Alaska for food, and this flooding of the feeding grounds with billions of young hatchery/ranched pink and chum salmon is harming chinook populations.

 

[profisher]

If SEP never happened we wouldn't be on this website having this debate, we would be out on the golf course or on a fresh water lake fishing. With the in stream commercial fishery tbat takes place now the few remaining fish would have been gone by now.

 

[wildmanyeah]

If SEP never happened we wouldn't be on this website having this debate, we would be out on the golf course or on a fresh water lake fishing. With the in stream commercial fishery tbat takes place now the few remaining fish would have been gone by now.

Hard to argue with that, Without the chilliwack hatchery there is no way there would be steelhead in the C/V. However it seems we are at the point where it no longer about Fresh water production it's about ocean survival. September to 2 years olds is where the bottleneck is. PSF still only has best guesses as to what those bottlenecks are. This is with respect to Chinook. Net pens help because they eliminate at the freshwater predation that happens. It's also well known that when water levels are low that smolt predation sky rockets.

But let's get back to the threads topic, Has a formal recommendation been made to DFO yet by SFAB?

 

[SpringVelocity]

If SEP never happened we wouldn't be on this website having this debate, we would be out on the golf course or on a fresh water lake fishing. With the in stream commercial fishery tbat takes place now the few remaining fish would have been gone by now.

Exactly.

 

[cohochinook]

Just saw this post from DFO:

Subject: FN0370-RECREATIONAL: Salmon - Chinook - Areas 18, 19 and 29 - Management Actions
Consistent with the 2017/18 Southern BC Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management
Plan, the Department is implementing management measures to protect Fraser
River Spring 4(2) Chinook populations as they migrate to the Fraser River.
Effective Dates: 00:01 hours May 7, 2018 until 23:59 hours June 15, 2018
Waters: Subareas 18-1 to 18-6, 18-9, 18-11, 19-5, and portions of 29-3 to 29-5
that lie southeasterly of a line from a point on the east side of Valdes Island
located at 49°05.562’N and 123°39.989’W then extending approximately 57 degrees
True to the North Arm Jetty Light located at 49°15.440’N and 123°16.778’W.
Management Measures: The daily limit is two (2) Chinook salmon per day of
which only one (1) Chinook may be greater than 67 cm.
The minimum size limit for Chinook salmon in these waters is 62 cm.
Further management measures may be required in the recreational fisheries in
these areas in consideration of the Departments intention to reduce
exploitation by 25%-35% on Fraser Chinook stocks. The Department continues to
consult with the recreational and commercial sectors, as well as First Nations
on potential modifications to Fraser Chinook management measures which will go
into effect in 2018.
Any updates on these management measures will be announced in a subsequent
fishery notice.
Variation Order: 2018-RFQ-0133
Notes:
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal waters of British
Columbia.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped Chinook and
Coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for
coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program
toll free at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
Anglers are advised to check http://bcsportfishguide.ca for fishing closures
and other recreational fishing information.
Tidal Water Sport Fishing Licences can be purchased via any computer connected
to the internet at
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/nrls-sndpp/index-eng.cfm
or by using Google search key words “Recfish Licence”.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Contact the local DFO office in your area for further information.
Fisheries and Oceans Canada Operations Center - FN0370
Sent May 7, 2018 at 15:35
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[SpringVelocity]

Just saw this post from DFO:

Subject: FN0370-RECREATIONAL: Salmon - Chinook - Areas 18, 19 and 29 - Management Actions
Consistent with the 2017/18 Southern BC Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management
Plan, the Department is implementing management measures to protect Fraser
River Spring 4(2) Chinook populations as they migrate to the Fraser River.
Effective Dates: 00:01 hours May 7, 2018 until 23:59 hours June 15, 2018
Waters: Subareas 18-1 to 18-6, 18-9, 18-11, 19-5, and portions of 29-3 to 29-5
that lie southeasterly of a line from a point on the east side of Valdes Island
located at 49°05.562’N and 123°39.989’W then extending approximately 57 degrees
True to the North Arm Jetty Light located at 49°15.440’N and 123°16.778’W.
Management Measures: The daily limit is two (2) Chinook salmon per day of
which only one (1) Chinook may be greater than 67 cm.
The minimum size limit for Chinook salmon in these waters is 62 cm.
Further management measures may be required in the recreational fisheries in
these areas in consideration of the Departments intention to reduce
exploitation by 25%-35% on Fraser Chinook stocks. The Department continues to
consult with the recreational and commercial sectors, as well as First Nations
on potential modifications to Fraser Chinook management measures which will go
into effect in 2018.
Any updates on these management measures will be announced in a subsequent
fishery notice.
Variation Order: 2018-RFQ-0133
Notes:
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal waters of British
Columbia.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped Chinook and
Coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for
coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program
toll free at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
Anglers are advised to check http://bcsportfishguide.ca for fishing closures
and other recreational fishing information.
Tidal Water Sport Fishing Licences can be purchased via any computer connected
to the internet at
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/nrls-sndpp/index-eng.cfm
or by using Google search key words “Recfish Licence”.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Contact the local DFO office in your area for further information.
Fisheries and Oceans Canada Operations Center - FN0370
Sent May 7, 2018 at 15:35
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It is same regulations in those areas from last few years. It will change a bit once the new regulations take effect.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Just saw this post from DFO:

Subject: FN0370-RECREATIONAL: Salmon - Chinook - Areas 18, 19 and 29 - Management Actions
Consistent with the 2017/18 Southern BC Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management
Plan, the Department is implementing management measures to protect Fraser
River Spring 4(2) Chinook populations as they migrate to the Fraser River.
Effective Dates: 00:01 hours May 7, 2018 until 23:59 hours June 15, 2018
Waters: Subareas 18-1 to 18-6, 18-9, 18-11, 19-5, and portions of 29-3 to 29-5
that lie southeasterly of a line from a point on the east side of Valdes Island
located at 49°05.562’N and 123°39.989’W then extending approximately 57 degrees
True to the North Arm Jetty Light located at 49°15.440’N and 123°16.778’W.
Management Measures: The daily limit is two (2) Chinook salmon per day of
which only one (1) Chinook may be greater than 67 cm.
The minimum size limit for Chinook salmon in these waters is 62 cm.
Further management measures may be required in the recreational fisheries in
these areas in consideration of the Departments intention to reduce
exploitation by 25%-35% on Fraser Chinook stocks. The Department continues to
consult with the recreational and commercial sectors, as well as First Nations
on potential modifications to Fraser Chinook management measures which will go
into effect in 2018.
Any updates on these management measures will be announced in a subsequent
fishery notice.
Variation Order: 2018-RFQ-0133
Notes:
Barbless hooks are required when fishing for salmon in tidal waters of British
Columbia.
Sport anglers are encouraged to participate in the Salmon Sport Head Recovery
program by labelling and submitting heads from adipose fin-clipped Chinook and
Coho salmon. Recovery of coded-wire tags provides critical information for
coast-wide stock assessment. Contact the Salmon Sport Head Recovery Program
toll free at (866) 483-9994 for further information.
Anglers are advised to check http://bcsportfishguide.ca for fishing closures
and other recreational fishing information.
Tidal Water Sport Fishing Licences can be purchased via any computer connected
to the internet at
https://www-ops2.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/nrls-sndpp/index-eng.cfm
or by using Google search key words “Recfish Licence”.
Did you witness suspicious fishing activity or a violation? If so, please call
the Fisheries and Ocean Canada 24-hour toll free Observe, Record, Report line
at (800) 465-4336.
For the 24 hour recorded opening and closure line, call toll free at
1-(866)431-FISH (3474).
FOR MORE INFORMATION:
Contact the local DFO office in your area for further information.
Fisheries and Oceans Canada Operations Center - FN0370
Sent May 7, 2018 at 15:35
Visit us on the Web at http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca
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yeah that happens every year , from last year, The change for area 29-3 is that it goes to the North arm from Valdes island, looks to me like the SFAB bought them self a bit more time???

Last years:

Consistent with the 2016/17 Southern BC Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management Plan, the Department is implementing management measures to protect Fraser River Spring 4(2) Chinook populations as they migrate to the Fraser River. Effective Dates: 00:01 hours May 8 until 23:59 hours June 16, 2017 Waters: Subareas 18-1 to 18-6, 18-9 and 18-11, 19-5, and that portion of Subareas 29-4 and 29-5 that lies south of a line from a point on the east side of Valdes Island located at 49 deg 05.562 min N, 123 deg 39.989 min W then extending 57 degrees True for 5 nautical miles to a point at 49 deg 08.316 min N, 123 deg 33.669 min W. Management Measures: The daily limit is two (2) chinook salmon per day of which only one (1) chinook may be greater than 67 cm. The minimum size limit for chinook salmon in these waters is 62 cm. The Department is currently reviewing management measures to protect Fraser Spring and Summer 5(2) that will be required after June 17, 2017. An update on these management measures will be announced in a subsequent fishery notice. Variation Order: 2017-253

It is same regulations in those areas from last few years. It will change a bit once the new regulations take effect.

Its a bit different

 

[Whitebuck]

Wildmanyeah....you truly need to.stop.taking about the Vedder steelhead.
You have ZERO clue what you are talking about, with all due respect.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Wildmanyeah....you truly need to.stop.taking about the Vedder steelhead.
You have ZERO clue what you are talking about, with all due respect.

you think the run would still be there without the hatchery?

 

[Whitebuck]

Sigh...
How many have u brought to hand in the last 20yrs?
Back to main topic of thread.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Sigh...
How many have u brought to hand in the last 20yrs?
Back to main topic of thread.

Whitebuck go to the chilliwack SFAC meetings it could use someone with all your experience not just local store owners....

 

[seadog19]

Fishery Notice
Category(s):
RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Subject:
FN0370-RECREATIONAL: Salmon - Chinook - Areas 18, 19 and 29 - Management Actions


Consistent with the 2017/18 Southern BC Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management
Plan, the Department is implementing management measures to protect Fraser
River Spring 4(2) Chinook populations as they migrate to the Fraser River.

Effective Dates: 00:01 hours May 7, 2018 until 23:59 hours June 15, 2018

Waters: Subareas 18-1 to 18-6, 18-9, 18-11, 19-5, and portions of 29-3 to 29-5
that lie southeasterly of a line from a point on the east side of Valdes Island
located at 49°05.562'N and 123°39.989'W then extending approximately 57 degrees
True to the North Arm Jetty Light located at 49°15.440'N and 123°16.778'W.

Management Measures: The daily limit is two (2) Chinook salmon per day of
which only one (1) Chinook may be greater than 67 cm.

The minimum size limit for Chinook salmon in these waters is 62 cm.

Further management measures may be required in the recreational fisheries in
these areas in consideration of the Departments intention to reduce
exploitation by 25%-35% on Fraser Chinook stocks. The Department continues to
consult with the recreational and commercial sectors, as well as First Nations
on potential modifications to Fraser Chinook management measures which will go
into effect in 2018.

Any updates on these management measures will be announced in a subsequent
fishery notice.

Variation Order: 2018-RFQ-0133

 

[scott craven]

How is this reg. protecting Fraser fish ?
19-5 is open for 2 wild/hatch - 1 over /1 under
19-4 no retention of wilds over 67cm
I cannot understand the logic ?

 

[OldBlackDog]

Wait for it, more to come.

How is this reg. protecting Fraser fish ?
19-5 is open for 2 wild/hatch - 1 over /1 under
19-4 no retention of wilds over 67cm
I cannot understand the logic ?

 

[Aces]

Fishery Notice
Category(s):
RECREATIONAL - Salmon
Subject:
FN0370-RECREATIONAL: Salmon - Chinook - Areas 18, 19 and 29 - Management Actions


Consistent with the 2017/18 Southern BC Salmon Integrated Fisheries Management
Plan, the Department is implementing management measures to protect Fraser
River Spring 4(2) Chinook populations as they migrate to the Fraser River.

Effective Dates: 00:01 hours May 7, 2018 until 23:59 hours June 15, 2018

Waters: Subareas 18-1 to 18-6, 18-9, 18-11, 19-5, and portions of 29-3 to 29-5
that lie southeasterly of a line from a point on the east side of Valdes Island
located at 49°05.562'N and 123°39.989'W then extending approximately 57 degrees
True to the North Arm Jetty Light located at 49°15.440'N and 123°16.778'W.

Management Measures: The daily limit is two (2) Chinook salmon per day of
which only one (1) Chinook may be greater than 67 cm.

The minimum size limit for Chinook salmon in these waters is 62 cm.

Further management measures may be required in the recreational fisheries in
these areas in consideration of the Departments intention to reduce
exploitation by 25%-35% on Fraser Chinook stocks. The Department continues to
consult with the recreational and commercial sectors, as well as First Nations
on potential modifications to Fraser Chinook management measures which will go
into effect in 2018.

Any updates on these management measures will be announced in a subsequent
fishery notice.

Variation Order: 2018-RFQ-0133

Maximize the numbers into the Cheam gill nets

 

[high tide]

Maximize the numbers into the Cheam gill nets

Bingo.....
Ya hit it bang on with this statement

 

[wildmanyeah]

Maximize the numbers into the Cheam gill nets

Ernie Crey will be happy to have thoes fish since he’s currently getting screwed out of kindermorgan.

At lest June quippe no longer the chief of the cheam band what a mess she was.

Recreational allocation is going to FN and their nets that’s what people need to understand.

 

[UkeeDreamin]

If SEP never happened we wouldn't be on this website having this debate, we would be out on the golf course or on a fresh water lake fishing. With the in stream commercial fishery tbat takes place now the few remaining fish would have been gone by now.

I respectfully disagree. The vast majority of studies show hatcheries have a negative impact on wild populations and rarely any lasting effects on population’s, other than negative. One of the best large scale examples is the state of Montana, who’s stream fisheries have become world renowned since abandoning hatchery supplementation and enhancement altogether.

Then there’s the fact that hatchery enhancement has essentially fed the commercial sector which has led to more intense fishing (often mixed stock fishing impacting small populations of chinook, coho and steelhead) than would have been sustainable otherwise, and in fact is now showing that it never was sustainable anyway. Finally, there are the facts California points out - that hatcheries have given a false sense of security for far too long and allowed politicians and industry to continue unsustainable logging, development, mining, agricultural, etc, etc, etc practices and we’re currently paying the price.

Look at all the flooding on the news the past few years - a direct result of watersheds cut to a state they no longer retain water and promote groundwater infiltration like they used to. Along side our changing climate, we’re seeing an earlier, more rapid melt/runoff. These shorter duration, higher intensity freshests are amplified by a vast network of resource roads and poor culvert crossings and ditches that speed up runoff further and add sediment and bedload. Eventually our mountain streams make it to the valley bottoms where agriculture, housing developments and industry have constrained the flood plains so our rivers and streams can no longer meander and redistribute spawning gravels and scour new holding/rearing pools. Instead they’re all dyked and dredged and straightened to protect the infrastructure that shouldn’t have been built in the floodplain in the first place. How long do you think channelized, dyked river systems can remain productive for salmon? Not long!

Probably the scariest piece is the fact our early, wet springs are now followed by longer, drier summers with ever expanding agriculture and development sucking more water from lower base flows over a longer period. Compromised streams with low to no flows simply can’t produce fish anywhere near the productivity of a functioning watershed.

Pro fisher, we do agree that we need to focus on the fundamental issue of salmon productivity and sustainability in this province if we’re ever going to see much recreational fishing access in the future!

Cheers!

Ukee