Eden Island
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Thank you. That I can understand.
Early Halibut Opening
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Thank you. That I can understand.
SpringFever2359
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You definitely do not want to go hali fishing with me,..I'm wayyy below an average hali angler if your # are correct..
I'm a 1 in 5 yrs kinda guy...(catching hali
)I think my quota allocation should carry over!!
BearCove
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Sucks for every recreational angler in Canada.
Let me ask this....when are we REALLY going to get pissed off and serious about not accepting year after year of always more bad news? For all of our west coast fisheries not just halibut. When was the last time we went into spring meetings with optimism and good news with some substantial reversals of cripilling restrictions? Existing problems need to be fixed not just talked about and then shelved, hoping it will go away. I'm not up for buddying up to the incompetent top brass of DFO either who obviously don't care..they get paid regardless. The only time in my close to 40 years involved in the politics of fish management that DFO had a healthy fear of our sector and bent when they had to was during the years of Bob Wright, Jimmy Gilbert, Tom Davis, Rob Waters and others of that period. They were a serious force who weren't afraid to make waves when needed and DFO knew it. Now its First nations and the NGO's who hold the heavy stick while we lobby them with a nice free lunch over our chance to explain truths, science and facts. Well they don't care about that....they are politicians!!!!. I know this will ruffle feathers of some...good...now direct that where it is needed. Just how I feel.
wildmanyeah
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The ocean rec fishery is dominated by anglers that go out once or twice a year with guide or to a lodge. I have never once seen this type of angler show up to a meeting or a protest or be involved in any way.
Times have changed
Times have changed
Whole in the Water
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Ok, if this true then all the more that the ardent and passionate rec anglers (public fishers) need to unite, organize and get political to make some needed changes for the public fishery!!!
wildmanyeah
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Not to be a downer but do you really expect someone who has a couple of kids, full time time job, kids in sports like hockey or soccer who struggle to make out fishing a few times a year to turn around and spend hours volunteering. It’s a hard ask
Very very true and this wears out the few guys who put in all the time and effort year after year and then not see the ranks supporting them. I'm not ragging on anyone for lack of try, smarts or their passion to make things better...I just personally think we had more effect on positive results when we put fear into DFO. Politicians don't like being embarrassed by being on the wrong side of an issue or being perceived as inept or crooked. Would those guys I mentioned from the past as an example have sat back quietly for the 25 plus years of coho restrictions with no end in sight? Not a chance.
Whole in the Water
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Don't think you understood my post - I said ardent passionate anglers and there are plenty of those around who need to start volunteering their time if we want to see things improve for the public fishery. I have and others can to. Now is the time!
It is a tough one to get unity on. Rec anglers, local guides and big lodges all have different agendas and want what is best for their user group. We love to fight amongst ourselves.
If it were a conservation issue we may be able to agree but this is an allocation issue. We need to focus on that. How can we get back the quota being held by private owners and move it to those who want to fish it? I hate the idea of buying it back but also hate the idea of never ending lease. Experimental Lease Program is not a sustainable solution.
If it were a conservation issue we may be able to agree but this is an allocation issue. We need to focus on that. How can we get back the quota being held by private owners and move it to those who want to fish it? I hate the idea of buying it back but also hate the idea of never ending lease. Experimental Lease Program is not a sustainable solution.
CIVANO
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Gong Show
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DFO has a very colonial management system.
They design the system so that user groups are all in competition with each other and among themselves.
Area licencing for the commercials was a great step in getting gear types to fight internally.
Somehow DFO can manage to split up the commercial fleet into many geographical areas, but cannot do the same for recreational halibut?
There is no unity in the user groups, since the season is so short, we start fighting for the next season before the current one ends.
SpringVelocity
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wildmanyeah
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anything can be done but as Elon says we have a bureaucracy not a democracy
Whole in the Water
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Newf
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No posts by anyone since "Whole in the Water " posted this one. I'll go since I've often posted something stupid so I have a question on the following post
From the post above. If it were a conservation issue we may be able to agree but this is an allocation issue.
Isn't the overall cuts in the quota (commercial and Rec) directly related to a conservation issue or in other words, the need to maintain a sustainable fishery? No doubt we can argue if the 15/85 split is fair or not but from what I've read online, according to the data that's used the spawning biomass is at a 40 year low. I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment on the economic benefit of pound for pound with Commercial versus Recreational but my biggest fear is that with the known mismanagement of fisheries in the past by DFO we may not have a fishery at all in a few years if the biomass stays on this trend. Maybe I've misinterpreted what I've read on the matter.
IPHC Cuts Coastwide Commercial Halibut Catch By 18% – Fishermens News
fishermensnews.com
Capt_Ed
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You are correct, finally someone gets itNo posts by anyone since "Whole in the Water " posted this one. I'll go since I've often posted something stupid so I have a question on the following post
From the post above. If it were a conservation issue we may be able to agree but this is an allocation issue.
Isn't the overall cuts in the quota (commercial and Rec) directly related to a conservation issue or in other words, the need to maintain a sustainable fishery? No doubt we can argue if the 15/85 split is fair or not but from what I've read online, according to the data that's used the spawning biomass is at a 40 year low. I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment on the economic benefit of pound for pound with Commercial versus Recreational but my biggest fear is that with the known mismanagement of fisheries in the past by DFO we may not have a fishery at all in a few years if the biomass stays on this trend. Maybe I've misinterpreted what I've read on the matter.
IPHC Cuts Coastwide Commercial Halibut Catch By 18% – Fishermens News
ziggy
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From my perspective the real problem is the quota held by non fishing, former fishermen. Where else do you get to lease out something that belongs to all of us. People have been profiting off this since the 70’s, so 50 years of free money is enough. This makes things tough on actual commercial fishermen who have to lease the quota as well as public fishers who can’t fish it. We and the commercial fishers should agree that this leased quota need to be returned for reallocation.
Old Blue
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Pretty much it's a 1 man problem and we all know that mans name. Hopefully when he dies which at his age can't be too far off the corporation/trust sells off the assets or better yet he gifts it back to the people but I wouldn't hold my breathe on that scenario.
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