Driving an EV pickup

Ran the battery down fairly low yesterday. Ford's battery management system is very much geared toward protecting owners from themselves. It progressively reduces power output as state of charge drops, so a driver has less ability to make stupid decisions with the throttle pedal.

The picture shows the battery has 9% of charge remaining, and power output is restricted to 40% of nominal. It's not the lowest SOC I've reached, but it is the most power restriction I've seen. It wasn't noticeable on city streets though, and I was curious so I did boot it off the line a couple of times. Still had that quick early surge to 50 km/h.

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The management algorithm is complex. I've run down to as low as 6% on a highway trip, but the power output had only reduced to 70%. I had home set as the destination, so the vehicle knew what was coming: distance, temp, elevation change, speed limits. Driveability appeared unaffected.

Yesterday, the math was a lot different. A run to Kelowna and back, with multiple short runs between errands in both places. No destination set in navigation, so the truck doesn't know what is coming. Plus the stops allow the battery to cool down, so each restart means a reheat. More energy used, plus no predictability. Result is what we see in the picture, a fairly aggressive move to prevent the battery from becoming seriously depleted.

This is a far cry from the unmanaged or very lightly managed lithium batteries in phones and cordless tools. I can see why people transfer what they know about lithium based on phone and tool batteries, leading to the assumption that EV packs will be toast after 5 years too. But a better analogy would be the engine in a modern ICE vehicle. The management system there does a lot to protect the ICE from damage, monitoring and controlling air and oil temp and pressure, head temp, fuel level and flow, and so on. It knows how long since last oil change, and gives other maintenance warnings. Both management systems are there for the same reason: to make the vehicle perform at its best, and to preserve the expensive main drive system.

Ford has 8 year/160,000 km battery warranty. That's considerably greater cover than what they offer on ICE series, power trains where they have over a century of experience.
 
Ran the battery down fairly low yesterday. Ford's battery management system is very much geared toward protecting owners from themselves. It progressively reduces power output as state of charge drops, so a driver has less ability to make stupid decisions with the throttle pedal.

The picture shows the battery has 9% of charge remaining, and power output is restricted to 40% of nominal. It's not the lowest SOC I've reached, but it is the most power restriction I've seen. It wasn't noticeable on city streets though, and I was curious so I did boot it off the line a couple of times. Still had that quick early surge to 50 km/h.

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The management algorithm is complex. I've run down to as low as 6% on a highway trip, but the power output had only reduced to 70%. I had home set as the destination, so the vehicle knew what was coming: distance, temp, elevation change, speed limits. Driveability appeared unaffected.

Yesterday, the math was a lot different. A run to Kelowna and back, with multiple short runs between errands in both places. No destination set in navigation, so the truck doesn't know what is coming. Plus the stops allow the battery to cool down, so each restart means a reheat. More energy used, plus no predictability. Result is what we see in the picture, a fairly aggressive move to prevent the battery from becoming seriously depleted.

This is a far cry from the unmanaged or very lightly managed lithium batteries in phones and cordless tools. I can see why people transfer what they know about lithium based on phone and tool batteries, leading to the assumption that EV packs will be toast after 5 years too. But a better analogy would be the engine in a modern ICE vehicle. The management system there does a lot to protect the ICE from damage, monitoring and controlling air and oil temp and pressure, head temp, fuel level and flow, and so on. It knows how long since last oil change, and gives other maintenance warnings. Both management systems are there for the same reason: to make the vehicle perform at its best, and to preserve the expensive main drive system.

Ford has 8 year/160,000 km battery warranty. That's considerably greater cover than what they offer on ICE series, power trains where they have over a century of experience.
Curious to know if the warranty just covers the battery if it goes "kaput" or does it also cover it if it reaches some level of diminished capacity?
 
Yes, range down to 70% of factory spec is considered to be a failed battery.
 
Yes, although not what you're probably thinking. The factory is retooling for the 2025 build year.

In the not too distant future though, Lightning will end its run, to be replaced with a full size truck built on the full EV platform currently in development. Might be as soon as 2026, maybe 2027. Whether the new truck will have F150 or Lightning badging is unclear at this time.

The Silverado EV is built on GM's Ultium EV platform, as are Blazer and Equinox. Ford elected to push Lightning to the market without waiting for the skateboard concept to be complete, by putting electric drivetrain into a standard F150 ladder frame. This is why the Chev/GMC trucks have that massive 200+ kWh battery, more space available without the frame breaking up the space.
 
a just legacy media being over dramatic on the radio then. Saying ford cancelling its EVs that trump and PP are ending EV incentives/rebates.
 
when someone complains about my using rattle can paint to cover up rust spots on my minivan, im just gonna show them this -
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$150K truck in rattle can factory paint. see ? im a trend setter, not a cheap butt. wonder how it gets away with no front license plate though. looks much much worse in person than in the picture. its not even the good kind of rattle can paint.
 
Ran the battery down fairly low yesterday. Ford's battery management system is very much geared toward protecting owners from themselves. It progressively reduces power output as state of charge drops, so a driver has less ability to make stupid decisions with the throttle pedal.

The picture shows the battery has 9% of charge remaining, and power output is restricted to 40% of nominal. It's not the lowest SOC I've reached, but it is the most power restriction I've seen. It wasn't noticeable on city streets though, and I was curious so I did boot it off the line a couple of times. Still had that quick early surge to 50 km/h.

I also was curious what the benefit of reducing power would be, and why the power level steadily declines as the battery level drops. I read a little while back that the power reduction is actually due to the voltage level of the battery being lower, as opposed to active power management. Which is also why EVs do speed tests on a full SOC.
 
I read a little while back that the power reduction is actually due to the voltage level of the battery being lower, as opposed to active power management.
That doesn't fit what I've observed. On a longer drive, with destination entered in the Ford nav system, the power reduction doesn't appear at all until in the last ~30% of charge. Whereas just running around town in winter with frequent stops, reheating the cabin, and no destination entered, the energy consumption is much higher and the power reduction can kick in with as much as 60% remaining charge.
 
First thing this morning. Air temp -4°C. Already derating power output despite 74% SOC.

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I don't care about the supposed range available, because (a) not going any great distance today, and (b) the battery contains kWh, not km.
 
Yeah, I agree that the less I watch the percentages the happier I am as a driver. Except that one night driving near Nanaimo and my favorite charge station was out of order...single digit range remaining when I finally found a functional charger...
 
Yeah, I agree that the less I watch the percentages the happier I am as a driver. Except that one night driving near Nanaimo and my favorite charge station was out of order...single digit range remaining when I finally found a functional charger...
Does get a bit edgy when that happens. I haven't really used it yet, but thr Tesla adapter offers more options.
 
First thing this morning. Air temp -4°C. Already derating power output despite 74% SOC.

I've never looked at the Lightning gauges before...is there an indication there to show the power derating? Or is it something you feel seat-of-the-pants? Or is that what the number 86 is....the percentage of "horsepower" available?
 
I've never looked at the Lightning gauges before...is there an indication there to show the power derating? Or is it something you feel seat-of-the-pants? Or is that what the number 86 is....the percentage of "horsepower" available?
The dial gauge shows available power (86%) on the left, and battery state of charge (74%) on the right; see picture below.

In my experience, you can't feel the power loss in normal driving until it's down around 40%, and even then it's only felt when asking for strong acceleration. The point is to restrict a driver's ability to accelerate sharply in times when they should be conserving energy. And besides, how often does anyone really need the full 580 hp?

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Full acceleration at full power, is absurdly fast for a pickup truck. The nose rises up and it feels like the whole truck is kind of floating. Very different from jamming the accelerator on a low slung tesla car with a reasonably tight suspension. So I'd say that when the max available power is anywhere above 50%, it doesn't affect normal daily driving at all.
 
a just legacy media being over dramatic on the radio then. Saying ford cancelling its EVs that trump and PP are ending EV incentives/rebates.
The govt of Canada rebate program has exhausted its funding, and it was set to end March 31 this year anyway. Up to the feds to replenish the funding, or establish a new program if they see fit. There's a reasonable case to say the rebate programs have done their job, EV uptake continues apace, and the vehicles themselves and their ecosystem have sufficiently advanced that they can continue without assistance. The price gap is shrinking, as it should - EVs are cheaper to build once the R&D costs are recovered. With the substantial running cost savings, the economics work even without rebates.

If governments want to further assist the EV transition, the money is probably better spent now on charging infrastructure. A particular weak point is making charging accessible to those who can't charge at home at the moment. I know I wouldn't consider an EV if I couldn't figure out a way to charge at home or work. Somewhere around 20% of Canadians live in apartments and condos, and there are real challenges for charging in these setups. Yet these urban settings are exactly where EVs perform best, so assistance is needed, both for pollution reduction and as a matter of being fair to all. City governments around the world are piloting on-street chargers mounted on utility poles, and that should be happening here as well. Streamlining regulations and providing funding assistance so that strata councils can put chargers in common space parking is another area where government can help. Out on the highways, in southern BC at least, we are already well served and industry can handle the incremental expansion required as EV ownership continues to grow.
 
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