Driving an EV pickup

When I'm asked how long it takes to charge, I tell them 20 seconds: 10 sec to plug in, 10 sec to unplug in the morning. Do something else in between.
I think wireless charging will be a complete game changer. I already think plug in charging is better than filling up but if your tank is always full and you never have to think about it due to wireless. Just drive over a spot in your garage and a roomba like charger moves under and hooks it up is something I imagine, I know there is wireless as you drive charging but I’m thinking a little simpler. I will definitely loose garage storage when that happens.
 
If it's contactless charging similar to what most phones have now, I wouldn't want it. Fair bit of energy loss to heat with that system, would be some substantial kWh over time given the size of battery involved. That's for a home charge setup. Really those are already pretty convenient, 20 seconds max, that's pretty quick.

Public charging could be different. The futurists foresee a scenario where your self driving car drops you at, say, a restaurant, and then takes itself to an available parking/charging location while you eat. For that you'd need a robotized power connection system.
 
If it's contactless charging similar to what most phones have now, I wouldn't want it. Fair bit of energy loss to heat with that system, would be some substantial kWh over time given the size of battery involved. That's for a home charge setup. Really those are already pretty convenient, 20 seconds max, that's pretty quick.

Public charging could be different. The futurists foresee a scenario where your self driving car drops you at, say, a restaurant, and then takes itself to an available parking/charging location while you eat. For that you'd need a robotized power connection system.
Interesting, I’m sure a simple robotic solution for plugging in at home would work, rather than the heat/loss which I wasn’t aware of. The convenience as you say of 20 seconds is great but some gas gurus say plug in hybrids rarely get plugged in but maybe they are full of… I’m not a fan of the robotaxi/autonomus car senario where Elon solves transportation by adding millions of vehicles to the road looking for passengers or chargers.

I digress, great to see you guys enjoying your trucks while I plug into my ford OBD2 scanner to figure out why my service advanced track warning light is on. Hopefully the maintenance messages in the lightening aren’t as cryptic.
 
Interesting, I’m sure a simple robotic solution for plugging in at home would work, rather than the heat/loss which I wasn’t aware of. The convenience as you say of 20 seconds is great but some gas gurus say plug in hybrids rarely get plugged in but maybe they are full of… I’m not a fan of the robotaxi/autonomus car senario where Elon solves transportation by adding millions of vehicles to the road looking for passengers or chargers.

I digress, great to see you guys enjoying your trucks while I plug into my ford OBD2 scanner to figure out why my service advanced track warning light is on. Hopefully the maintenance messages in the lightening aren’t as cryptic.
We are already there Elon Musk Optimus Robot will do that and more.
 
We are already there Elon Musk Optimus Robot will do that and more.
Yeah, they are impressive. I'm thinking of something a little simpler that could be up-running for consumers now, just an articulating arm. At the event some people thought the "robots" were being controlled by tesla employees and employees were the ones doing the talking. I don't know if it was the self driving timeline that was the big disappointment but the stock is down 7%
 
A company I've been watching for awhile now is Edison Motors out of Merritt. I think their commercial truck in some applications is going to be a big hit and they are coming out with a retro kit for pickups.
 
A company I've been watching for awhile now is Edison Motors out of Merritt. I think their commercial truck in some applications is going to be a big hit and they are coming out with a retro kit for pickups.
The premise behind the Edison logging trucks is just simple genius. Log trucks climb up a mountain and pick up a bunch of weight, making speed control on the steep downgrades a real problem. Electrifying the truck solves the braking issues and harnesses the free energy inherent in the load.

I wish them all the best. Access to development capital will be their biggest challenge. Lots of good ideas founder on the reef of undercapitalisation.
 
edison is cute but they have no money and unlikely to get any if they keep working out of a small shop. ceo guy seems scared of rapid expansion and death of the business which is understandable but youre not going to grow explosively without a giant manufacturing plant which needs half a billion dollars. most of their stuff (axles, drive motors, power control boards, frame parts) is made in china which is going to be a problem with tariffs but also understandable given they have no real factory to produce trucks. they are assembling everything in a literal tent outdoors. all their trucks are hybrids (giant diesel generator, charges batteries and drives axles) with no plug for recharging so not real electric-only powertrains like tesla.
 
The premise behind the Edison logging trucks is just simple genius. Log trucks climb up a mountain and pick up a bunch of weight, making speed control on the steep downgrades a real problem. Electrifying the truck solves the braking issues and harnesses the free energy inherent in the load.

I wish them all the best. Access to development capital will be their biggest challenge. Lots of good ideas founder on the reef of undercapitalisation.
That's the thing about the USA, they have the money and cahonas to make stuff happen. I hope a deep pocket Canadian firm steps up or an American is watching his youtube videos. Would love have our own Canadian Musk, making stuff happen and disrupting the industry.
 
Looking at Edison's website, it reminds me a lot of what Tesla was (pre-Musk) when it was called AC Propulsion. I used to follow their website way back in the day (late 90s / early 2000s) - they invented this funny looking roadster called the Tzero. The first version used lead-acid batteries and then their big innovation was to power an updated version with off-the-shelf laptop batteries. Once they got it working, I seem to remember they did some testing and were able to drive it from LA to Vegas on a single charge. It was at that point that Musk got interested and bought the company.

I was looking at the wikipedia page for AC Propulsion, and was glad to see that the two remaining Tzeros are in the Petersen Automotive museum - really groundbreaking stuff, and somewhat forgotten.
 
That's the thing about the USA, they have the money and cahonas to make stuff happen. I hope a deep pocket Canadian firm steps up or an American is watching his youtube videos. Would love have our own Canadian Musk, making stuff happen and disrupting the industry.
Be careful what you wish for!
 
Their company wants to have the entire parts list, of off the shelf stuff that can be obtained quickly. You buy the truck and you get a complete parts list of every part on the truck. The other goal is to help out the mom and pop repair shops for those truck if need be. They have had very strong interest of people that will be installers and techs for their trucks. If they can get traction in the retro fitting of old pickups that could be a big market for fleet owners.
 
edison is cute but they have no money and unlikely to get any if they keep working out of a small shop. ceo guy seems scared of rapid expansion and death of the business which is understandable but youre not going to grow explosively without a giant manufacturing plant which needs half a billion dollars. most of their stuff (axles, drive motors, power control boards, frame parts) is made in china which is going to be a problem with tariffs but also understandable given they have no real factory to produce trucks. they are assembling everything in a literal tent outdoors. all their trucks are hybrids (giant diesel generator, charges batteries and drives axles) with no plug for recharging so not real electric-only powertrains like tesla.
We both agree that access to capital is the critical issue for Edison. If they don't expand and become a volume seller, it doesn't necessarily mean their product is bad or doesn't do the job. It means they didn't connect with the right sources of capital.

Can they find them with what they have now? The approach in their website is unashamedly focused on the logging truck aspect. Seems reasonable, that's who they are, and theres a special aspect to mountain logging that makes a real benefit to their produxt. But I can see most potential investors thinking "niche product", and moving on. Similarly, their spiel about the full parts list and no in-house parts would sound great to fleet maintenance and shop managers, but the CFO types will see a business openly turning its back on a revenue stream.

PS, Edison does offer full battery electric option on its L series trucks.
 
We both agree that access to capital is the critical issue for Edison. If they don't expand and become a volume seller, it doesn't necessarily mean their product is bad or doesn't do the job. It means they didn't connect with the right sources of capital.

Can they find them with what they have now? The approach in their website is unashamedly focused on the logging truck aspect. Seems reasonable, that's who they are, and theres a special aspect to mountain logging that makes a real benefit to their produxt. But I can see most potential investors thinking "niche product", and moving on. Similarly, their spiel about the full parts list and no in-house parts would sound great to fleet maintenance and shop managers, but the CFO types will see a business openly turning its back on a revenue stream.

PS, Edison does offer full battery electric option on its L series trucks.
Access to talent is also an issue. I have friends who talk about how many stem and high tech employees we have in Canada and it is almost laughable. I spoke to a PM who lives in Tijuana and used to run a company in San Diego who explained to me how many global manufacturers there are in Tijuana and it is a metropolitan area of 5M. Hiring people in person in this country is so hard, especially ones who could work on and engineer hybrid logging trucks. I know where they all are but getting them to move for under 200k a year all in is next to impossible. The mission of the company seems excellent but you need the $$ and lots of it these days, running a business in 2024 is like thermal runaway for cash.
 
I'm still in awe of the regenerative braking concept. It's like magic or voodoo or something.

In the early 90's we as university undergrads built a hybrid electric car on a Ford chassis that had regenerative braking. And we were just students building a car for competition in the US. The basic concept is as old as the electric motor...a generator is just a motor being used the other way around.
 
In the early 90's we as university undergrads built a hybrid electric car on a Ford chassis that had regenerative braking. And we were just students building a car for competition in the US. The basic concept is as old as the electric motor...a generator is just a motor being used the other way around.
Do you have a picture of this car to share?
 
Gents, if you really want to go down memory lane, my interest in Electric Cars began when one of my brothers was doing his undergrad Electrical Engineering degree (he went on to get his PHD) at UBC and worked on the team developing the Wally Wagon.

Talk about dinosaur tech with it's lead acid batteries and all. But I certainly thought it was cool. Certainly a couple light years behind the Teslas, Ford Lightnings and all of today.

UBC electric car (Wally Wagon) on display.jpg
 
Gents, if you really want to go down memory lane, my interest in Electric Cars began when one of my brothers was doing his undergrad Electrical Engineering degree (he went on to get his PHD) at UBC and worked on the team developing the Wally Wagon.

Talk about dinosaur tech with it's lead acid batteries and all. But I certainly thought it was cool. Certainly a couple light years behind the Teslas, Ford Lightnings and all of today.

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I graduated from ECE (Electrical and computer engineering) in 2021, and the EV program is now a Formula EV race car. Really cool stuff. I ended up on the Rocket team woking on avionics, but had some classmates working on the EV project.


Here’s the video of our rocket:
 
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