Aquaculture improving?..The Fish Farm Thread

Seems like the rest of the world can do it on land except for the companies here. Likely because there is more money at the end of the day if they don't have to spend the money to treat their waste.

https://fishfarmnews.blogspot.com/2016/05/152-different-on-land-fish-farm-systems.html

Interesting that none of this "blog" posts what species is being farmed in any of it statistics. We are talking salmon farms here. Not trout, tilapia and other species. This is the issue with blogs. They get to be creative in how they broadcast their facts. To me its very misleading.
Can you break the species down for us sino so we can have an actual understanding of the salmon farming investments in closed containment around the world?
 
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Interesting that none of this "blog" posts what species is being farmed in any of it statistics. We are talking salmon farms here. Not trout, tilapia and other species. This is the issue with blogs. They get to be creative in how they broadcast their facts. To me its very misleading.
Can you break the species down for us sino so we can have an actual understanding of the salmon farming investments in closed containment around the world?

These are the leading land-based salmon farms in the world right now
“Land-based farms may be years away from being profitable, but they are popping up at an alarming rate – with over half a million tonnes of salmon to be on the market in a decade.”
https://salmonbusiness.com/these-are-the-leading-land-based-salmon-farms-in-the-world-right-now/



Hard to compete with the open net pen farms as they operated with much less overhead!
Some say we need the open net pen Atlantic’s to feed the world.
That’s bs cause 75 % of the world can’t afford it and the other 25% can afford another $5 a pound to buy it from land base farms!
Put it all on land, stop polluting our oceans and killing our wild salmon.
The market will still be there.
 
If you feel your hair is on fire, Stephen - maybe stop lighting it on fire.

Published science - which Mz. Morton has done while Mz. Krause has not done - is the difference between powerpoints and peer-reviewed journals. If you can't even admit that - maybe give up the Krause/Morton analogy attempt. No accountability nor checks and balances on Krause's neurosis.

Here's some broad-scale estimates on impacts:
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0060033
 
International expedition answers troubling questions about B.C. salmon runs
The ocean is changing, but not to the benefit of sockeye, coho and chinook.
Randy Shore
Updated: October 30, 2019

Buried in the doom-and-gloom headlines about depleted salmon stocks and disastrous spawning returns is this nugget of truth: There are more salmon in the Pacific Ocean than at any time since 1925.

Russian fisheries will harvest 460,000 metric tonnes of chum and pink salmon this year, about 20 times Canada’s total haul of all five Pacific salmon species.

But the headlines aren’t necessarily wrong. The ocean is changing, just not to the benefit of the species prized in B.C., such as sockeye, coho and chinook.

The reappearance of “The Blob” — a huge mass of warm water stretching from California to Alaska — could complicate their lives further. During its last appearance in 2014, millions of fish and seabirds perished.

The Russian research vessel Kaganovsky set out on a five-week grid-search test fishery in the North Pacific last February with a team of 21 scientists from Canada, Russia, the United States, Korea and Japan. They examined specific questions about the range, feeding habits and condition of adult salmon, and at least some of the answers are trickling in.

But expedition organizer Dick Beamish is now pressing hard to get a second expedition ready, so they don’t miss an opportunity to study the effects of The Blob firsthand.

He is also convinced that ocean-based stock assessments should be completed every year to accurately estimate salmon returns and manage fisheries, a model used with success by the Russians.

“Historically, we have based our understanding of salmon on what we know about them when they leave fresh water and how many come back to spawn,” said Beamish.

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Some of the elusive pink salmon caught during an international research voyage on the Russian vessel Kaganovsky. Chrys Neville / PNG

But salmon spend between one and four winters in the open ocean, depending on the species, and what happens to them during that time is anyone’s guess.

Good conditions and the availability of food for juvenile salmon in near-shore rearing areas is believed to be especially important for the ability of Fraser River salmon to survive their first winter, which appears to be borne out in preliminary data from the first expedition.

“We had guessed that the major mortality for salmon comes in their first ocean winter, and the abundance at that point gives you an idea of what kind of returns you can expect in the future,” he explained.

Fisheries and Oceans Canada had predicted about five million Fraser River sockeye would return in 2019, but only 600,000 made it.

“We had made an estimate of the number at about 870,000, so we were much more accurate,” said Beamish. “We didn’t catch that many fish in the survey, but it was over a large enough area that we knew what to expect.”

Based on the test fisheries, Beamish expects the 2020 sockeye return will be equally dismal, although he is cautious about predictions based on a single survey.

Beamish is making the rounds to foundations and corporate donors to raise $1.5 million for the second survey, which he hopes will sail early next year.

The B.C. Salmon and Restoration and Innovation Fund has already promised $650,000 and the Pacific Salmon Foundation has pledged $300,000.

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yep...it's could get tough with the Climate Change report you posted OldBlackDog.
More reason to get Open Atlantic Salmon Net Pen's out of the ocean spreading disease and killing our wild salmon.
 
yep...it's could get tough with the Climate Change report you posted OldBlackDog.
More reason to get Open Atlantic Salmon Net Pen's out of the ocean spreading disease and killing our wild salmon.

If wild salmon are doomed on the west coast of Canada due to climate change than salmon farming is an obvious solution however, I personally believe that through creative salmon enhancement efforts we can role with the climate punches and procreate salmon suitable for natural re-enstablishment.
 
If wild salmon are doomed on the west coast of Canada due to climate change than salmon farming is an obvious solution however, I personally believe that through creative salmon enhancement efforts we can role with the climate punches and procreate salmon suitable for natural re-enstablishment.
The issue with this idea is naturalist views. " Hatcheries are bad." There is clearly no other option.
 
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Buried in the doom-and-gloom headlines about depleted salmon stocks and disastrous spawning returns is this nugget of truth: There are more salmon in the Pacific Ocean than at any time since 1925

Guess you missed this.

QUOTE="fogged in, post: 957551, member: 1622"]yep...it's could get tough with the Climate Change report you posted OldBlackDog.
More reason to get Open Atlantic Salmon Net Pen's out of the ocean spreading disease and killing our wild salmon.[/QUOTE]
 
wow agent you clearly want to attach the west coast situation with the east coast. Interesting...
 
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Buried in the doom-and-gloom headlines about depleted salmon stocks and disastrous spawning returns is this nugget of truth: There are more salmon in the Pacific Ocean than at any time since 1925
Guess you missed this.
QUOTE="fogged in, post: 957551, member: 1622"]yep...it's could get tough with the Climate Change report you posted OldBlackDog.
More reason to get Open Atlantic Salmon Net Pen's out of the ocean spreading disease and killing our wild salmon.
[/QUOTE]

No didn't miss it
Did you miss the second line in your post.
"The ocean is changing, but not to the benefit of sockeye, coho and chinook."
and this line as well.
"Russian fisheries will harvest 460,000 metric tonnes of chum and pink salmon"
Perhaps that's what you were referring to?
I think we all agree Climate Change could make it difficult for our "sockeye, coho and chinook" to regain their health.
AND Fish Farms only add to the challenge.
But perhaps you support the theory that our "sockeye, coho and chinook" are not worth protecting as Fish Farms can and will fill the void.
 
Good conditions and the availability of food for juvenile salmon in near-shore rearing areas is believed to be especially important for the ability of Fraser River salmon to survive their first winter, which appears to be borne out in preliminary data from the first expedition.

“We had guessed that the major mortality for salmon comes in their first ocean winter, and the abundance at that point gives you an idea of what kind of returns you can expect in the future,” he explained.
 
If you feel your hair is on fire, Stephen - maybe stop lighting it on fire.

Published science - which Mz. Morton has done while Mz. Krause has not done - is the difference between powerpoints and peer-reviewed journals. If you can't even admit that - maybe give up the Krause/Morton analogy attempt. No accountability nor checks and balances on Krause's neurosis.

Here's some broad-scale estimates on impacts:
https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0060033

You are just baiting. So, you believe everything she reported is neurosis? Care to defend against any of it? Probably not, just label , call out names and deflect. Good lord, what is the point of this thread? All you anti-ff advocates are just about debating. Why? Do you folks fish for salmon or just want to shut the whole damn thing down? How can you, AA, not even post on the Alaskan Ranch thread? The merry bunch are so silent on what is happening, your absence is noticed. Trust me. This thread is not about saving our salmon, those folks are super obvious. This thread is about shutting down competition for the US. Shame on us for playing.
 
Good one, Stephen. Keep banging on the evil Americans drum. Distract, deflect - repeat.

Why is it that the pro-FF lobby doesn't bang on the "evil Norwegian" drum? Kinda hypocritical fearmongering on outside threats w/o acknowledging the fact that FFs are outside foreign corporations.

And Birdie - the connections should be pretty obvious between the East and West Coasts. Let me help you clear that up:
  • Both Coasts/industries are in Canada and regulated by the same federal agencies (DFO, CFIA) with the same focus on promotion, protection and self-reporting.
  • Both Coasts have the same industry players and the same PR machine.
  • Both Coasts use the open net-cage technology.
  • Both Coasts have been subjected to disease and parasite outbreaks and cover-ups and lies.
  • Both Coasts have inappropriate and ineffective oversight and enforcement since the regulator is also the promoter
  • Both Coasts also don't have realistic siting criteria that reduces the wild/farmed interactions to the benefit of the wild stocks
  • Both Coasts are missing public, real-time reporting of disease outbreaks with geographic co-ordinates that would allow us to investigate the effectiveness and the damage to wild stocks by the current siting regs
as you say - Interesting...

But I know that industry pundits wouldn't want to admit those parallels and commonalities - so pretend these don't exist - Distract, deflect - repeat.

Ignore the ISAv debacle... no lessons to learn there neither. Nothing to see here folks - move along!

Thanks for so clearly illustrating the PR strategy by the industry, Stephen.
 
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This is pretty interesting....

"International expedition answers troubling questions about B.C. salmon runs
The ocean is changing, but not to the benefit of sockeye, coho and chinook.
Randy Shore
Updated: October 30, 2019

Buried in the doom-and-gloom headlines about depleted salmon stocks and disastrous spawning returns is this nugget of truth: There are more salmon in the Pacific Ocean than at any time since 1925.

Russian fisheries will harvest 460,000 metric tonnes of chum and pink salmon this year, about 20 times Canada’s total haul of all five Pacific salmon species.

But the headlines aren’t necessarily wrong. The ocean is changing, just not to the benefit of the species prized in B.C., such as sockeye, coho and chinook."

So record harvests in Alaska, the Russians are going big time down the ranching path, California has a record...... Pretty sure FF's had nothing to do with it. Our poor little salmon coming from Canada have not a damn thing to eat. And, the NGO's are lobbying to not ramp up hatchery support in Canada.

Not saying that FF's need a free pass on problems they create (still looking for Sino's 90% kill off data and still looking for the reason why Alaskan wild runs are in such trouble). It seems to me the oceans are at over capacity. Canada is just not getting its proportionate share. Guys - there are more salmon than ever in the ocean! The reason for so many pinks and chum is they are the easiest to ranch. I think the world needs a breather from this.

We all talk about Global climate and a global economy, why isn't Canada trying to lobby on global hatchery limits (the NGO's are at it in Canada - just not Alaska - why is this acceptable)?

Thread is getting pretty stale but unless we all agree on a set of facts, it is just a kindergarten fight with everyone sticking their tongue out. My guess (just a guess) is removing the salmon farms will have no effect on the salmon run returns. Wish I could say I have seen evidence other than mistakes and cover ups by the FF's (and some real stupid ones at that), but it just doesn't mean it solves the salmon crisis. Those mistakes need to be dealt with and fixed, but damned if I will get behind any initiative to shut down Canadian jobs with the only real benefit going to another bunch of countries. Still need to have someone tell me what a plan B is if destroying the FF's doesn't work.
 
Don't think the thread is getting stale at all Stephen. You're doing a good job in keeping it going. Thanks for that.

Nobody is "destroying the FF's" - unless it is of course the actions of the FFs themselves.

I think the question(s) that need both to be asked and answered are:
  • Can the impacts and risks to wild salmon be mitigated using the open net-pen technology?
  • Can we assess the impacts where things like disease outbreaks are hidden?
  • Why do we have the promoters also the regulators/enforcers?
  • Does self-reporting work?
  • What are the options?
 
https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/...n-sector-within-the-next-decade-says-rabobank

RAS to disrupt the salmon sector within the next decade, says Rabobank

The tide is turning for recirculating aquaculture systems (RAS) and this emerging technology has the potential to change the face of aquaculture over the next decade, claims a new report from Rabobank.

Analysis in the “Aquaculture 2.0: RAS Is Driving Change” report, compiled by RaboResearch Food & Agribusiness, states that while the “RAS concept is still under development and the future holds uncertainties,” the number of proposed projects to farm seafood species using this technology is increasing day by day, with the majority of ventures focused on salmon farming.

To date, more than 50 projects to farm salmon in land-based systems have been identified by Rabobank, with the total estimated production of these ventures up to 2030 being equivalent to 25 percent or 700,000 metric tons (MT) of the current total salmon production.

While this volume is unlikely to be reached in the next 10 years due to such limiting factors as financial bottlenecks, the wrong business or marketing strategy, the wrong choice of location or species to farm, postponements in permits – plus a number of proposed projects are unlikely to materialize – the banking multinational believes that RAS systems do have the potential to produce 250,000 MT within the time frame.

Authored by Beyhan de Jong, analyst – animal protein at Rabobank, the report confirms that the majority of land-based salmon farms are planned in Norway, and this is due to the know-how around salmon farming and the existing cold chain and logistics infrastructure in the region. However, the total proposed production volumes are highest in the United States, followed by China, and this is because of the high growth in demand in the regions.

One-third of the proposed RAS projects mapped target a production volume up to 5,000 MT by 2026 or at a later date. The majority of the projects aim for a production volume between 5,000 to 35,000 MT.

Among the relatively larger-scale projects, Atlantic Sapphire is planning the highest production volume in a single RAS facility so far, with 220,000 MT targeted for a facility in the United States. At the same time, Pure Salmon targets a global salmon volume of 260,000 MT, of which 100,000 MT is planned for China.

The report highlights that only a few projects are already harvesting salmon and showing early success. Others are at the financing stage, some are busy with getting permits, and some are constructing their facilities.

It said that despite the large volumes of planned production, current volumes coming from salmon farming with RAS are minor, at around 3,000 MT, with no company currently producing more than 1,000 MT.

Nevertheless, with the number of announced projects increasing from 30 to over 50 from 2018 to 2019, more than doubling the planned production volumes, the report suggests the pace of growth means it’s reasonable to expect more proposals to be added to the pipeline, which might increase planned volumes up to 1 million MT next year.

“RAS could be a disruptive aquaculture technology in the next 10 years – not only in terms of adding volumes to salmon production, but also by potentially disrupting trade flows, supply chains, and the marketing of salmon,” states the report. “Land-based salmon could almost be a mainstream product in the next decade if the proposed RAS salmon projects can more or less achieve their ambitious harvest levels and successfully produce a volume of around 500,000 MT.”

Rabobank also believes RAS operations manage to produce salmon at around NOK 40 (USD 4.36, EUR 3.93) to NOK 50 (USD 5.45, EUR 4.91), even with less-than-expected volumes of production, they can still create a niche.

The analysis maintains that another important element to factor in is geography, whereby a volume of less than 10 percent of the expected salmon production could sound relatively minor for large salmon producers like Norway and Chile, but the ability to locally farm salmon in regions such as China, where there is no local salmon production, could change current trade dynamics.

“There is a high chance that some of these projects will succeed if they have at least half of the key success factors regarding the species and location selection,” the report states. “The companies who achieve this will be the frontrunners in land-based aquaculture. RAS technology is here. The big questions are where and when mainstream land-based salmon production start – and who will start it.”

 
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Growing pains as companies try to move fish farms from ocean to land

Each time the food dispenser starts up at Golden Eagle Aquaculture, the water boils with supple, perfect coho salmon.

They are Ocean Wise recommended and a Seafood Watch green light best choice — a conservationist’s dream. The flesh is invitingly red, delicious and rich in omega-3s.

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Two of the on-land salmon rearing tanks at Golden Eagle Aquaculture in Agassiz. FRANCIS GEORGIAN / PNG

Land-based tanks are dimly lit to simulate winter light levels in order to trick the fish into growing faster, while delaying sexual maturity. It is one of many tricks needed to grow salmon outside the ocean, its natural environment.

Consider the difficulties of raising cattle underwater while keeping their living space and air pristine and you get a sense of the challenges faced by land-based fish farms growing coho, tilapia and especially Atlantic salmon.

Most Atlantic salmon are grown in net pens in the ocean, drawing criticism from First Nations and environmentalists. Washington state’s decision to end net-pen farming gave some hope that a breakthrough in B.C. could be at hand.

But fish farmers say a large-scale move is not commercially feasible.

“It’s a life-support system and it’s really hard to do,” said Don Read, president and owner of Willowfield Enterprises, which markets the Golden Eagle Aquaculture fish as West Creek Coho.

Because biological setbacks come often, you need deep pockets just to try. The Aquilini Investment Group bought the farm in Agassiz about six years ago.

“Last year, we grew out a cohort of fish and they all performed like you’d hope and the fish were a certain size,” said Read. “We did everything the same this year and 30 per cent of them didn’t mature.”

One year in, the undersized fish will not grow and “we don’t know why yet,” he said. “We have to look at the genetics and get samples to the lab.”

Golden Eagle does tick a lot of environmental boxes.

The largest tanks are outdoors and unheated, which lowers its carbon footprint. The facility sips water from a local well and recirculates most of it, while solid waste is removed and spread on nearby corn fields.

The fish are fed a commercial mix of fish meal and soy, dried algae, and about 15 per cent sustainable insect meal from Langley’s Enterra bug farm.

Terry Brooks took over the aquaculture operation not long after the Aquilinis bought it and has fine-tuned the farm, but Golden Eagle is cautious about the prospects of expansion into a limited market.

“The market for fish that sells at a premium price to other salmon is pretty small,” said Read. “People naturally choose the cheaper product.”

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Don Read, the president of Willowfield Enterprises, at the Golden Eagle Aquaculture facility. FRANCIS GEORGIAN / PNG

.......https://vancouversun.com/news/local...ies-try-to-move-fish-farms-from-ocean-to-land
 
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