Aquaculture improving?..The Fish Farm Thread

still doesn't excuse the lack of oversight and due diligence over mitigating wild-cultured stock interactions using the open net-cage technology, Dave. But thanks for pointing-out the transport abilities of water...

Speaking of which - below are some science-based ways of estimating how big the disease vector zones are downstream of the open net-pens:

https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/40712679.pdf
http://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2015/mpo-dfo/Fs70-5-2015-005-eng.pdf
https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/40654345.pdf
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rstb.2015.0203
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What are the green squares?

Ps: my link button isn't working, jk, not trying to be silly just wanted to know...
 
as far as protecting wild stocks - ya - it most certainly is about mitigating wild/cultured stocks interactions like disease and parasite amplification and transfer, Stephen. I am quite surprised you would suggest otherwise.
 
Cooke to pay fine for overstocking Maine salmon farms, not conducting environmental testing

https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/aquaculture/cooke-to-pay-fine-for-overstocking-maine-salmon-farms-not-conducting-environmental-testing

"Cooke was cited by the Maine Department of Environmental Protection for a number of incidents at its net pen sites in Hancock and Washington counties, including having too many fish in pens, failing to conduct environmental sampling, and failing to follow a number of procedural measures laid out in the company’s operating permit, including on-time filing of pollution sampling reports and fish spill prevention plans."
 
Cooke to pay fine for overstocking Maine salmon farms, not conducting environmental testing

https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/aquaculture/cooke-to-pay-fine-for-overstocking-maine-salmon-farms-not-conducting-environmental-testing

"Cooke was cited by the Maine Department of Environmental Protection for a number of incidents at its net pen sites in Hancock and Washington counties, including having too many fish in pens, failing to conduct environmental sampling, and failing to follow a number of procedural measures laid out in the company’s operating permit, including on-time filing of pollution sampling reports and fish spill prevention plans."
Interesting how Maine has laws and regulations then actually enforces them with monetary penalties for a violation.
 
Cooke to pay fine for overstocking Maine salmon farms, not conducting environmental testing

https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/aquaculture/cooke-to-pay-fine-for-overstocking-maine-salmon-farms-not-conducting-environmental-testing

"Cooke was cited by the Maine Department of Environmental Protection for a number of incidents at its net pen sites in Hancock and Washington counties, including having too many fish in pens, failing to conduct environmental sampling, and failing to follow a number of procedural measures laid out in the company’s operating permit, including on-time filing of pollution sampling reports and fish spill prevention plans."
Cooke again, eh? Here’s another new one about Cooke in Washington State; https://www.king5.com/article/news/...inks/281-b4741721-30f3-402a-bd2a-017edcc87b7b
Those folks sure make it difficult to show salmon aquaculture is improving.
 
For sure, Cuttle. They seem to be the best thing to happen for the so-called "anti" crowd in weeks, maybe months. Their spokespeople are either their own worst enemies - or maybe they found a back door to hoover up all that dark Tides money that Krause is always beaking off about...
 
as far as protecting wild stocks - ya - it most certainly is about mitigating wild/cultured stocks interactions like disease and parasite amplification and transfer, Stephen. I am quite surprised you would suggest otherwise.
Actually, the evidence is suggesting otherwise. Devil is in the details but certain runs in Alaska are showing similar declines even when supported by hatcheries. Even we can't blame the FF's for that.
 
Interesting deflection by FF pundits. Yes - there are other impacts besides FF operations on wild stocks. We have covered this topic numerous times on this forum. Use the search function to reference those conversations.

but...

What is not being done w the open net-cage industry? Enforcement? poor regulations? lack of appropriate siting criteria? Lack of self-reporting? Lack of appropriate risk adverse strategies? Lack of openness in reporting disease outbreaks? Conflicts of interest in oversight? the open net-cage technology itself? All of the above?

Those are issues we can do something about - and should - irrespective of what other impacts and other issues we should be responsible enough to address...
 
The only people that need to be held accountable now are the politicians that said they are going to remove fish farms.

Given all the stuff that’s been on the news for years these farms still have the nerve to stuff there pens beyond what their licence allows.

I’m sure there is some fish farmer out there that is doing everything to the letter of the law but he’s gonna get taken down with the ship.
 
Interesting deflection by FF pundits. Yes - there are other impacts besides FF operations on wild stocks. We have covered this topic numerous times on this forum. Use the search function to reference those conversations.

but...

What is not being done w the open net-cage industry? Enforcement? poor regulations? lack of appropriate siting criteria? Lack of self-reporting? Lack of appropriate risk adverse strategies? Lack of openness in reporting disease outbreaks? Conflicts of interest in oversight? the open net-cage technology itself? All of the above?

Those are issues we can do something about - and should - irrespective of what other impacts and other issues we should be responsible enough to address...
I actually agree with you. So if we implement and enforce better controls to prevent or at least mitigate the issues you are concerned with, then maybe we can let the FF's continue. So, not disagreeing on your hotspot issues, just not sure we are in a position that will change our outcome. On the other thread about ranching, all the things that cause you to support that form of ranching doesn't really hold water. Disease, genetic deterioration, wild only broad stock etc.., rules are not holding. In fact, pressure is on to no longer label this product as sustainable. It isn't.

When I fished up in Haidi Gwai and Langara this year, one message the staff consistently told me was that the spring numbers were solid, but on average, the springs all seem to be smaller. Maybe others on this forum are seeing similar anecdotal findings. This isn't science, but it struck me that there must be a reason why the salmon were coming in 2-3lbs under average weight - it was also observed in the coho. This seemed more likely a diminishing food supply accumulative effect. Now we have threads announcing record salmon harvests in Alaska, and right below that thread is a lack of herring on WCVI. What the hell? We need to get to the bottom of this.
 
Now we have threads announcing record salmon harvests in Alaska

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060104389

"The dismal salmon runs across the rest of Alaska this year have been attributed to changes in the Gulf of Alaska, including the mysterious "blob" of unusually warm water that plagued the region a few years ago, and increased competition from other salmon species (Greenwire, Oct. 23).

Bristol Bay's sockeye weren't affected by those factors because salmon born in Bristol Bay's rivers and streams spend most of their ocean lives in the southeast Bering Sea, not the Gulf of Alaska.

"When they enter the marine environment, it's a different environment that wasn't directly influenced by the blob," said Greg Ruggerone, a Washington state-based scientist who has been studying Alaskan salmon since 1979.

Even though some sockeye from Bristol Bay could have swum into the Gulf of Alaska during their time in the ocean, by the time they got there from Bristol Bay, scientists say, they were likely large enough to survive the blob and fend for themselves against competitors.

"The blob" — which disappeared in 2016 as mysteriously as it appeared — was an anomaly.

But there is evidence Bristol Bay sockeye will continue to have an advantage over their southern relatives for years to come because climate change is causing the Gulf of Alaska to warm faster than the southern Bering Sea, where most Bristol Bay sockeye spend their ocean lives.

"When they leave fresh water, they are entering an area that's warmer than in the past but not as warm as the blob and cooler than what a normal Gulf of Alaska would look like," said Ed Farley, program manager for the Ecosystem Monitoring and Assessment Program at NOAA's Alaska Fisheries Science Center."
 
https://www.vancourier.com/news/disastrous-year-for-b-c-sockeye-salmon-returns-predicted-1.23923843

Probably been posted but the most interesting conclusion is that the ocean is at it carrying capacity, not that the bastards in US will do anything about it, and that the record pinks are the main causes for our sockeye returns (AA did point this out). In fact, there are several runs in Alaska that are showing similarly low returns as the Fraser (and they have no FF's). So maybe FF's have some effect, but looks to me that if all the evidence is statistically analysed, I bet it doesn't move the needle.

Not denying that we need to regulate and keep them in check, but they are probably being way over blamed for the crisis in our industry. BTW, read through the Alaskan Govt docs, planning on further increases to the ranching system. This is ridiculous as they basically are measuring their success by how many fish they harvest. Our sockeye are going to get creamed.
 
It does not matter if fish farms have an effect on salmon anymore, Its political promise that 3 out of the 4 parties are committed to.

If they go it will be for political reasons and if they stay it's going tobe for political reasons.
 
It does not matter if fish farms have an effect on salmon anymore, Its political promise that 3 out of the 4 parties are committed to.
If they go it will be for political reasons and if they stay it's going tobe for political reasons.

So it's your informed position that if Fish Farms are taken out of our oceans " it will be for political reasons" or if the stay "it's going tobe for political reasons"
and "It does not matter if fish farms have an effect on salmon anymore"
What logic...
It kinda reminds me of those who say " it doesn't matter that Donald Trump is dishonest, untrustworthy, immoral and has suggested a foreign country interfere in the USA election process to support him and MORE"
It's all just political in your opinion and has no factual basis whatsoever!!!
 
Trudeau won’t close farms, says Mowi boss
THE re-election of Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau will not spell the end of net pen farming in British Columbia, according to one of the biggest operators in the region.

“His party launched its campaign against farming salmon in sea pens in September, with backing from the country’s Green Party.”
“However, Alf-Helge Aarskog, the CEO of Bergen headquartered Mowi, told Intrafish he was confident Trudeau’s victory yesterday would not affect the company’s operations in BC, where it produces around 45,000 tonnes a year.
Do you think MOWI, formerly known as Marine Harvest and their CEO, Alf-Helge Aarskog, who lives in Bergen Norway
gives a tinkers damn about us or our wild fishery?
https://www.fishfarmermagazine.com/news/trudeau-wont-close-farms-says-mowi-boss/
 
Shareholders - they care about their shareholders. They are a company/corporation. That's what they do.

DFO and the Newfie Fish & aquaculture branches (on the other hand) are supposed to protect the regulatory bodies ensuring compliance with the industry and protect the public's resources - including wild salmon -but they have instead been co-opted by the industry to look out for the industry's interests.
 
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