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Charlie, you say i dont know or understand my target out there off Ukee, you are right! thats why i talk to the best guide out of Ukee and most well known, its his Job to find them and he graciously tells us if its good or not so good, as well as him, we lso talk with one of the biggest charter Companies there and again his boats are slow, i do believe Charlie and Matt need to get paid by the Ucluelet Tourism Office as you guys are painting a rosy weekend??? soon will find out, FishTofino , bud you are the true casuality out of this and i feel for you guys the most
Charlie
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I am not sure I understand that logic? Just how many of those “70” anglers do you really think “one” guide missed during that short opening during the month of “May” and at four anglers a day, that would take 17.5 days on the water? Then how many of those 70 didn’t go fishing anyway? Just throwing some rough numbers out and not knowing any specifics, but if a guide was to average $1,000 a day that would be $17,500 versus a catch that should be over $22,000? Sound to me… I’d personally want to be fishing, rather than guiding? Plus, fishing is a lot more fun than guiding? So, I guess I am confused, again?
So, that takes care of that post!
Now let me see if I have this right? Not wanting to get into and “engaging in pointless bickering”, I have to admit… “I don’t bite my tongue” as previously posted by others? But, it does appear you or either intentionally or unintentionally trying provoke someone? Hope it is not me!
Just a short recap here, I started with:
If, I was fishing Vancouver Island right now… it would be out of Ucluelet, Tofino, or Bamfield, and yes in that order!
I agreed with “Nog’s” fishing area report!
I agreed a catch 34,742 a drop in the bucket!
I suggested to everyone learning their target, on how Chinook salmon “travel, paying particular attention to how they travel with the currents and tides? That might be very much in order for anyone not finding or catching those fish, especially right now?”
Then I specifically replied to your comment and stated, “ If you don’t believe ‘Nog’… send this guy an email and ask how “he” is doing? He’ll tell you! murphy@island.net”
And then I get this?
Well I can assure you I do not get paid by the Ucluelet Tourism Office and I did not paint a rosy picture for this weekend for anyone who doesn’t know what they are doing. In fact, at this point, since you just convinced me - “you” don’t have a clue, apparently know very little about Chinook salmon, and have no desire to learn, “you” might have a hard time finding the fish let alone catching them? And, how in the world did you relate, “Fishtofino, bud you are the true causality out of this”?
I do find this quote fitting, at this time:
"Never argue with an idiot --
They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience!"
Charlie
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Now with that off my chest! 
Right now, you not only have migrating fish… you also have the Puget Sound residents – Starting about now, until the end of June the Ucluelet, Tofino, Bamfield area “is” some of if not the “best” fishing on Vancouver Island? IMHO!
Before anyone believes there are no fish and is taking advice of that nature from someone, would you mind asking them just one thing? What is this “Big Eddy” thing - that some dump idiot I know talking about? And its relationship and effects in regards to the routes Chinook will migrate, take, travel, live, and feed in. It starts south of Tofino - is all the way down to Port Renfrew? Anyone any “good” should start explaining and telling you about the predominant currents of La Perouse Bank and how Chinook will travel with those currents, especially – right now! And yes, the resident Chinooks on the banks do travel in a big circle. If the person doesn’t know or understand this - I would suggest finding another for advice?
Now, I haven’t fished Ucluelet “during this time”, for a few years - but I would be “VERY” surprised to find a lot at “Portland Point”- that would be very much a passing through area. And, if they were there – you better believe I would be fishing it hard, because they will be gone “quick” with the tide and/or currents! Then you will have absolutely “nothing”, until the next bunch comes through! That would be very much here now – gone in an hour fishery! If one does not understand tides and especially currents this time of year – you will be lucky to find “any” Chinooks. This year actually appears more normal with less concentration then last year – as stated by ‘Nog’! Depending on “present” “currents” – those fish could be anywhere; to include, “inside” Barkley Sound! It is sounding they are a lot more spread out, again as 'Nog' stated? The fish are there (probably more than last year), but it is just it appears “most” are not finding them!
I have been fishing BC waters since 1982 - off Ucluelet since 1991 and trust me I know my targets! The first thing I would do is check the present current pattern and current strengths – without even looking them up, I know the different places out of Ucluelet, I would be asking about and in this order South Bank, Big Bank, Rats Nose, the North end of La Perouse Bank, and don't forget Lighthouse Bank. Right now, I would not be surprised if fish were some being taken close in, but would be very surprised if a “lot” of fish were, but that very much goes back to “currents”? I have ran to ‘Portland Point’ and I have also ran away from ‘Portland Point” I also have ran to and away from ‘Eagle’s Nest’, ‘Cree’, ‘Kirby’ and many other popular spots trying to find fish this time of year those are all areas here now gone in an hour. If they are there great - fish them till there gone. They are moving and that is not the main body!
If the main body of fish are not currently somewhere on La Perouse Bank – I would be totally completely be surprised! All you have to do is – find where on that bank they are! Do not chase the fish – find the fish! If nothing else, follow the frigg’n “cattle” boats out of Ucluelet – those guys usually do find the fish! And, I do admit – I have done that often through the years, when first starting to fish that area – talk about a road map!
Just for the record…. I know a person who has been fishing for well over 40 years… I listen while he’s talking to others and the reactions of some… they think he is the greatest thing and he does sound knowledgeable, but he’s not “good” fisherman in that he can catch fish... but can't find them! There has not only been “one”, but “TWO” of the “BEST” anglers I know who are currently fishing that area and they both just posted, there are “LOTS” of fish out there! So, I guess I would have to believe – there are “LOTS” of fish out there! Finding the fish has always been the hard part - find them you will be happy, but do not just set at one location waiting for the fish to find you!
Just my final 2 cents!
Right now, you not only have migrating fish… you also have the Puget Sound residents – Starting about now, until the end of June the Ucluelet, Tofino, Bamfield area “is” some of if not the “best” fishing on Vancouver Island? IMHO!
Before anyone believes there are no fish and is taking advice of that nature from someone, would you mind asking them just one thing? What is this “Big Eddy” thing - that some dump idiot I know talking about? And its relationship and effects in regards to the routes Chinook will migrate, take, travel, live, and feed in. It starts south of Tofino - is all the way down to Port Renfrew? Anyone any “good” should start explaining and telling you about the predominant currents of La Perouse Bank and how Chinook will travel with those currents, especially – right now! And yes, the resident Chinooks on the banks do travel in a big circle. If the person doesn’t know or understand this - I would suggest finding another for advice?
Now, I haven’t fished Ucluelet “during this time”, for a few years - but I would be “VERY” surprised to find a lot at “Portland Point”- that would be very much a passing through area. And, if they were there – you better believe I would be fishing it hard, because they will be gone “quick” with the tide and/or currents! Then you will have absolutely “nothing”, until the next bunch comes through! That would be very much here now – gone in an hour fishery! If one does not understand tides and especially currents this time of year – you will be lucky to find “any” Chinooks. This year actually appears more normal with less concentration then last year – as stated by ‘Nog’! Depending on “present” “currents” – those fish could be anywhere; to include, “inside” Barkley Sound! It is sounding they are a lot more spread out, again as 'Nog' stated? The fish are there (probably more than last year), but it is just it appears “most” are not finding them!
I have been fishing BC waters since 1982 - off Ucluelet since 1991 and trust me I know my targets! The first thing I would do is check the present current pattern and current strengths – without even looking them up, I know the different places out of Ucluelet, I would be asking about and in this order South Bank, Big Bank, Rats Nose, the North end of La Perouse Bank, and don't forget Lighthouse Bank. Right now, I would not be surprised if fish were some being taken close in, but would be very surprised if a “lot” of fish were, but that very much goes back to “currents”? I have ran to ‘Portland Point’ and I have also ran away from ‘Portland Point” I also have ran to and away from ‘Eagle’s Nest’, ‘Cree’, ‘Kirby’ and many other popular spots trying to find fish this time of year those are all areas here now gone in an hour. If they are there great - fish them till there gone. They are moving and that is not the main body!
If the main body of fish are not currently somewhere on La Perouse Bank – I would be totally completely be surprised! All you have to do is – find where on that bank they are! Do not chase the fish – find the fish! If nothing else, follow the frigg’n “cattle” boats out of Ucluelet – those guys usually do find the fish! And, I do admit – I have done that often through the years, when first starting to fish that area – talk about a road map!
Just for the record…. I know a person who has been fishing for well over 40 years… I listen while he’s talking to others and the reactions of some… they think he is the greatest thing and he does sound knowledgeable, but he’s not “good” fisherman in that he can catch fish... but can't find them! There has not only been “one”, but “TWO” of the “BEST” anglers I know who are currently fishing that area and they both just posted, there are “LOTS” of fish out there! So, I guess I would have to believe – there are “LOTS” of fish out there! Finding the fish has always been the hard part - find them you will be happy, but do not just set at one location waiting for the fish to find you!
Just my final 2 cents!
Aces
Well-Known Member
By "cattle boats" i'm assuming you are referring to those Princess Boats that spend half the Spring/Summer at Portland PT?quote:Originally posted by Charlie
Now with that off my chest!
Right now, you not only have migrating fish… you also have the Puget Sound residents – Starting about now, until the end of June the Ucluelet, Tofino, Bamfield area “is” some of if not the “best” fishing on Vancouver Island? IMHO!
Before anyone believes there are no fish and is taking advice of that nature from someone, would you mind asking them just one thing? What is this “Big Eddy” thing - that some dump idiot I know talking about? And its relationship and effects in regards to the routes Chinook will migrate, take, travel, live, and feed in. It starts south of Tofino - is all the way down to Port Renfrew? Anyone any “good” should start explaining and telling you about the predominant currents of La Perouse Bank and how Chinook will travel with those currents, especially – right now! And yes, the resident Chinooks on the banks do travel in a big circle. If the person doesn’t know or understand this - I would suggest finding another for advice?
Now, I haven’t fished Ucluelet “during this time”, for a few years - but I would be “VERY” surprised to find a lot at “Portland Point”- that would be very much a passing through area. And, if they were there – you better believe I would be fishing it hard, because they will be gone “quick” with the tide and/or currents! Then you will have absolutely “nothing”, until the next bunch comes through! That would be very much here now – gone in an hour fishery! If one does not understand tides and especially currents this time of year – you will be lucky to find “any” Chinooks. This year actually appears more normal with less concentration then last year – as stated by ‘Nog’! Depending on “present” “currents” – those fish could be anywhere; to include, “inside” Barkley Sound! It is sounding they are a lot more spread out, again as 'Nog' stated? The fish are there (probably more than last year), but it is just it appears “most” are not finding them!
I have been fishing BC waters since 1982 - off Ucluelet since 1991 and trust me I know my targets! The first thing I would do is check the present current pattern and current strengths – without even looking them up, I know the different places out of Ucluelet, I would be asking about and in this order South Bank, Big Bank, Rats Nose, the North end of La Perouse Bank, and don't forget Lighthouse Bank. Right now, I would not be surprised if fish were some being taken close in, but would be very surprised if a “lot” of fish were, but that very much goes back to “currents”? I have ran to ‘Portland Point’ and I have also ran away from ‘Portland Point” I also have ran to and away from ‘Eagle’s Nest’, ‘Cree’, ‘Kirby’ and many other popular spots trying to find fish this time of year those are all areas here now gone in an hour. If they are there great - fish them till there gone. They are moving and that is not the main body!
If the main body of fish are not currently somewhere on La Perouse Bank – I would be totally completely be surprised! All you have to do is – find where on that bank they are! Do not chase the fish – find the fish! If nothing else, follow the frigg’n “cattle” boats out of Ucluelet – those guys usually do find the fish! And, I do admit – I have done that often through the years, when first starting to fish that area – talk about a road map!
Just for the record…. I know a person who has been fishing for well over 40 years… I listen while he’s talking to others and the reactions of some… they think he is the greatest thing and he does sound knowledgeable, but he’s not “good” fisherman in that he can catch fish... but can't find them! There has not only been “one”, but “TWO” of the “BEST” anglers I know who are currently fishing that area and they both just posted, there are “LOTS” of fish out there! So, I guess I would have to believe – there are “LOTS” of fish out there! Finding the fish has always been the hard part - find them you will be happy, but do not just set at one location waiting for the fish to find you!
Just my final 2 cents!
My last comment on this thread - Charlie, your last post seems to indicate that I was trying "to provoke" someone. If I am correct in that assumption, please read my comment again. I am sure that you will see that the intent was to encourage rational debate, and discourage personal attacks on others, as I do indeed feel that name calling (by anyone)results in nothing more than pointless bickering. On the other hand, if I have misunderstood your comment, accept my apology.
While I acknowledge that there can be many different opinions on any issue, I would hope that all of us treat each other with a degree of respect, maybe especially when someone seems to be going out of their way to push buttons. I would like to think that gently educating each other and showing a little forbearance will triumph over any pettiness that we occasionally encounter. At the end of the day, I expect that I will have learned something, hopefully shared something useful, and know that I have treated others as I wish to be treated.
Cheers all
To much water, too little time
While I acknowledge that there can be many different opinions on any issue, I would hope that all of us treat each other with a degree of respect, maybe especially when someone seems to be going out of their way to push buttons. I would like to think that gently educating each other and showing a little forbearance will triumph over any pettiness that we occasionally encounter. At the end of the day, I expect that I will have learned something, hopefully shared something useful, and know that I have treated others as I wish to be treated.
Cheers all
To much water, too little time
IronNoggin
Well-Known Member
We have a BINGO!
And Your advice regarding the Big Eddy is Bang On Buddy! There are but a few spots the fish will actually hold for any significant length of time at this time of year - chiefly they are constantly on the move and on the prod, stuffing the groceries away as fast as they possibly can. This is even more true for the larger returners - while they do very much have the feed-bag on while in our local waters, the underlying thrust of their being here is simply passage towards the fresh - that often makes them a more difficult target. Once again though, knowledge and understanding of their movement patterns/corridors, coupled with a working knowledge of just where the latest bait concentrations are, and the playing field levels quite measurably.
For those that understand the dynamics of the system and the fish's response, it can be and is</u> a Banner time to be mining for silver. For those that don't, well... there's always the "Commies" to blame. [V]
The same holds true whether you sail in a sport rig or a troller. There will always be "HighLiners" who work diligently to understand both quarry and the systems that drive them. And while these too can have an "off" day, in the long run, they continuously represent the top 5 - 10% of the take in any given season.
Conversely, there will always be those who don't have the time or inclination to do the homework required to ensure consistent success. Relying on others can work, if you know the "right" others. Relying on "they were thick in this spot last year at this time" (often even last week, or even yesterday), setting out blindly to "traditional areas", and then regardless of the why they are there, refusing to accept the fish simply are not there at that exact moment - all combines to form a recipe for failure. And once failure is encountered, it is unfortunately Human Nature that takes over, and searches for a place to lay the blame for that failure on. Rarely does that encompass introspective investigations at to the real cause.
Homework and time is the nature of the Best. Always has been so. That of course also comes into play once the fish have been located. In many of the areas the larger bodies of fish were located of late, the water can be likened to "Gin". Once again understanding of the prevalent food stocks, and how best to imitate that under the conditions of the moment, provides the basis of an outstanding day versus one less so. The tip here is that in most of those areas, a lot of the regular "Go-To's" in many West Coaster's arsenal simply won't cut it under every condition you will encounter out there. It pays to experiment, and you will eventually find exactly what they want. This is so ingrained on our rig, we actually conducted complete gear changes when moving as little as 3 or 4 miles and encountering varying water conditions. Does it work? You can bet your butt it does!
Will this be a "Stellar" weekend for the sporties out of Ukee/Tofu or Bam-Bam? I kinda think not. Have a quick boo at the weather Folks, Gale Warnings still up, and yet another Sou'Easter rolling in on Monday. Sunday looks to be the only shot at getting out to where the larger biomass lurks, today methinks you'd be nutso to even consider doing so. For those fortunate enough to get to the "right" places, methinks they will be in for a LOT of Fun! Unfortunately I do not believe most will. Instead I think a few will work the Beach, a few will hit the Sound, and in the end, the final reports will be a tad dismal as a consequence.
If what I perceive holds true, that will of course provide the naysayers with a little more ammo for their cause - as misinformed as that may be. Again, Human Nature hard at work.
As for me, well, I've fished it. And fished it well for the past week and change "down south". I KNOW there are are a LOT</u> of fish swimming our waters right</u> now</u> from personal hands on experience. And further, I KNOW a LOT</u> more are currently on the way. No amount of bantering, misinformation or the "Sky Is Falling" doom and gloom predictions from the armchair crew can ever make me disbelieve what I have seen with my own eyes - not for a milli-second.
Despite what a few outside of the loop may wish you to believe, despite the pointing fingers of blame for what really boils down to misconception and at times personal failings, this is very much shaping up to be a VERY Good Season. In fact, if it continues like it has so far, methinks there is the distinct possibility it will surpass even the Glory Days of last year. I, for one, am sincerely looking forward to getting in on some of that, and the many High-Fives and Smiles this will bring with it! I do hope some of you get the opportunity to get out there and ENJOY! [^]
Catch Ya On The Pond!
Cheers,
Nog
IronNoggin
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Actually I would disagree with that assessment. On this thread you have heard from myself, as well as VERY</u> Experienced Guide, and another who studies in depth what happens off our coast. And it appears that those who have actually been there perceive there are not only fish to be had, but quite a few in fact. Additionally, there was some rather significant information passed along regarding movement patterns and gear reliability.
Toss in a few posts that well indicated the prevailing mindset of a few of the Armchair Warriors, and methinks there was, and is very much a point to the thread overall.
Want decent reports? Might kinda make sense to go out and create a few! [}
]Cheers,
Nog
like i said earlier, the mere perception is the reality, Commies have killed, now we wait for rebuilding and like you said WEATHER which in "our" situation is the Prime and most important factor is off, so all in all a good decision to stay over here until June. Just the way life goes, then i will offer a report which i believe also will be a good one for salmon, Hallis??? unsure
Charlie
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quote:Originally posted by IronNoggin
Actually I would disagree with that assessment. On this thread you have heard from myself, as well as VERY</u> Experienced Guide, and another who studies in depth what happens off our coast. And it appears that those who have actually been there perceive there are not only fish to be had, but quite a few in fact. Additionally, there was some rather significant information passed along regarding movement patterns and gear reliability.
Toss in a few posts that well indicated the prevailing mindset of a few of the Armchair Warriors, and methinks there was, and is very much a point to the thread overall.
Want decent reports? Might kinda make sense to go out and create a few! [}
Cheers,
Nog
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Concerning the weather? Yes, any “Gale Warning” gets my attention, but I am not sure I would be using this forecast for a reason not to fish?
Not actually being there - in it, but while I do have to admit, I would be watching those “winds” and “waves” as I always do… and depending on size of boat, but there seems to be quite a windows there, especially tomorrow starting in the morning?
Nog, I can't believe you aren't planning on fishing in the morning?
IronNoggin
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LOL! Been out for pretty well the majority of a month and a half. Toyed with the idea of one of the local trout derbies, but just simply got too lazy. Actually kinda nice to be off The Pond every now and then...
Today's weather likely looks something like this out there:
Wind WNW at 23 knots gusting 29. 2.5 meters at 8 seconds means a right chitty ride methinks!
But tomorrow looks Good To Go! Do hope a few of the Ladz that know what they're up to make it out there. Be pleasantly surprised if they do...
Back at it on the 1st. 'Til then, 16 Tuna loins and 2 whole Hali's are brining for the cold smoke. Gonna keep me from straying too far for the short term
Will post again once I get back from the next go. Suspect it will be even BETTER!
Cheers,
Nog
IronNoggin
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quote:Originally posted by Lipripper
Oh come on Nog..... you an me both have fished in a lot worse....... doesnt look that bad
Actually quite manageable in the 40 foot rig. Dunno about the little guys though...
heres one for ya all, i was at Liquor store payng more taxes to the man(drowning no fishing blues away) and the cashier gets a talking, i mention crappy weather and fishing plans change, he says he was at Ukee for 4 days and did well, i said where, he says one mile out??? hmmm ??? could this be charlie and matts brother??? lol
IronNoggin
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Nope. Likely just another fellow who knows where to look, and what to do once he gets there [}
]Red Can Tack, Big Bear and Sail have all produced in the last little while. Didn't mention that simply because I wasn't at those sites and was relying on second-hand information.
Nog
