Ucluelet report
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likwit, ive got enough experience in my repetoire to know the commies have slaughtered out there( guide reports etc), is there enough to go around>??? soon will find out i guess but to me id rather have more than enough fish for sportsmen who put more dollars into the resource than a commercial fleet does. The research shows that a sports caught fish is more valuable than anything else, case closed on my end
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Totally agree with cam. If you havent worked 8months maybe its time for a differant occupation. Or you are happy catching the EI train living off others hard earne tax dollars!
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IronNoggin
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Appears some around here are in desperate need of a Midol or two 
Our fleet indeed sat idle for 8 months this past year. This is our first opening in that time, and I of course expected someone (or two or three) would break out the anti-commie stick at the first opportunity. Thanks for verifying my faith in human nature. [V]
Cammer - just wondering what exactly your "research" consists of that supports your stated position that "the Commy fleet has done a complete number on the springs out there"? Pretty bold and sweeping statement from one who obviously hasn't spent any time directly on the grounds as of late.
I have put that time in out there, and can offer a few tidbits for you:
- The springs are a little more spread out this spring than they have been in the past several years. But there are showings pretty well anywhere you care to look. From Brooks Bay down through the bottom of 123, they can, and are being found by those that know what they are doing.
- There are several very good concentrations of springs in our local waters off Ukee. Southbank has been producing reasonably steady, and a few areas out on the farther banks have been right rockin'. Of course these too are chiefly being caught by those that have a little more than a basic understanding of how to do that.
From what I have seen I would suggest this will be a very good season for the sports sector (of which I too am a member if you recall). In fact that has already started, as a handful of the more knowledgeable guides have been consistently bringing their clients in with grins and full coffins. Once again methinks that might just be related to the knowledge and understanding those professionals carry with them when wandering out.
To suggest the limited amount of quota we were allowed has somehow "done a complete number" on the springs is both ludicrous and ignorant. There ARE more than enough US origin fish swimming our waters to absorb the current extraction rate. Were this not the case we wouldn't realize the size of catches we've enjoyed since moving south. Really.
To base one's mindset on one or two dismal reports and a little arm chair quarterbacking suggests their just might be a little in the way of pre-disposition jaundicing the way you perceive things. But as noted, I expected that, some things simply never change.
Skunked on the Big Bank the direct result of our fleet's operations? Wow, you certainly credit us with much more capacity than I ever would have thought possible! Coast-wide from the top of the Island to the bottom, there is currently less than 50 boats operating in all areas. Some really catch them, others, as in the case of all sectors, simply don't do as well. Same holds true for Sporties, some are natural born Killers, others not quite so much so. Not at all suggesting those who reported here don't know what they are doing - anyone can have an off day, or simply miss the fish in their quest (at times a miss of a hundred yards is as good as ten miles). The amount of effort we expend out there simply doesn't have sufficient clout to render anywhere near a "complete number" on our target species. Wouldn't even if the number of rigs were to be doubled. But I guess it is good to have something to point fingers at as a way to pacify your internal misconceptions and/or less than stellar showings when fishing out there.
In closing, there are a lot of fish out there just now. Knowing exactly where they are and what to use to consistently produce under the many varying conditions out there, certainly goes a long way towards ensuring success. As noted, several of the better guides are on that program right now. As I have put in the time and effort out there, I have a decent understanding of those parameters myself. I would hazard a guess that were I to take the sports rig out tomorrow, I wouldn't find much problem loading up quick and easy limits - it IS that good. For any that know me, feel free to drop a line. Don't mind sharing a little info that might help your day out there.
Now back to your regularly scheduled wine and cheese festival... [}
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Cheers,
Nog
Our fleet indeed sat idle for 8 months this past year. This is our first opening in that time, and I of course expected someone (or two or three) would break out the anti-commie stick at the first opportunity. Thanks for verifying my faith in human nature. [V]
Cammer - just wondering what exactly your "research" consists of that supports your stated position that "the Commy fleet has done a complete number on the springs out there"? Pretty bold and sweeping statement from one who obviously hasn't spent any time directly on the grounds as of late.
I have put that time in out there, and can offer a few tidbits for you:
- The springs are a little more spread out this spring than they have been in the past several years. But there are showings pretty well anywhere you care to look. From Brooks Bay down through the bottom of 123, they can, and are being found by those that know what they are doing.
- There are several very good concentrations of springs in our local waters off Ukee. Southbank has been producing reasonably steady, and a few areas out on the farther banks have been right rockin'. Of course these too are chiefly being caught by those that have a little more than a basic understanding of how to do that.
From what I have seen I would suggest this will be a very good season for the sports sector (of which I too am a member if you recall). In fact that has already started, as a handful of the more knowledgeable guides have been consistently bringing their clients in with grins and full coffins. Once again methinks that might just be related to the knowledge and understanding those professionals carry with them when wandering out.
To suggest the limited amount of quota we were allowed has somehow "done a complete number" on the springs is both ludicrous and ignorant. There ARE more than enough US origin fish swimming our waters to absorb the current extraction rate. Were this not the case we wouldn't realize the size of catches we've enjoyed since moving south. Really.
To base one's mindset on one or two dismal reports and a little arm chair quarterbacking suggests their just might be a little in the way of pre-disposition jaundicing the way you perceive things. But as noted, I expected that, some things simply never change.
Skunked on the Big Bank the direct result of our fleet's operations? Wow, you certainly credit us with much more capacity than I ever would have thought possible! Coast-wide from the top of the Island to the bottom, there is currently less than 50 boats operating in all areas. Some really catch them, others, as in the case of all sectors, simply don't do as well. Same holds true for Sporties, some are natural born Killers, others not quite so much so. Not at all suggesting those who reported here don't know what they are doing - anyone can have an off day, or simply miss the fish in their quest (at times a miss of a hundred yards is as good as ten miles). The amount of effort we expend out there simply doesn't have sufficient clout to render anywhere near a "complete number" on our target species. Wouldn't even if the number of rigs were to be doubled. But I guess it is good to have something to point fingers at as a way to pacify your internal misconceptions and/or less than stellar showings when fishing out there.
In closing, there are a lot of fish out there just now. Knowing exactly where they are and what to use to consistently produce under the many varying conditions out there, certainly goes a long way towards ensuring success. As noted, several of the better guides are on that program right now. As I have put in the time and effort out there, I have a decent understanding of those parameters myself. I would hazard a guess that were I to take the sports rig out tomorrow, I wouldn't find much problem loading up quick and easy limits - it IS that good. For any that know me, feel free to drop a line. Don't mind sharing a little info that might help your day out there.
Now back to your regularly scheduled wine and cheese festival... [}
]Cheers,
Nog
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Truth
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What is the clipped to wild ratio?
The great hode
The great hode
Good post Nog. It's nice to see a rational response, rather than engaging in pointless bickering. It is difficult sometimes removing emotion from the equation and remembering that the problem does not lie with commercial, First Nations, or Sporties. Rather, the wrong headed policies and politics of Government (read DFO)have been instrumental in damaging our stocks, and our ability to target them in a responsible fashion. [V]
cheers
To much water, too little time
cheers
To much water, too little time
Matt , great comeback, but you still realize that a sports fishing trip would put more money in your pocket year round than a commercial bonanza once in a blue moon, here we are once again approaching the long weekend and i, like many else have second thought s on coming over there, there in itself is lost capital for the area and the industry( "f" the BC Ferry CORP), if that fleet was off the water and 90 000 more fish were swimming you could probably double book each day from today to tuesday?? sports caught fish = big big dollars. But like you said its just a whine fest here because i know my voice wont carry to the Halls of Justice, so ill wait till the number rebuild and fish Thrasher
Pointless?? far from pointless, cohochinook and myself on here have heard that the fishing is awful out there from GOOD sources, now extrapolate that from the general fishing population and do the math, many many people have decided to go elsewhere or wait till stocks rebound, tofino Bamfield and Ukee operation may think this topic is FAR from pointless, Toothless yes, wont be able to change anything but far from pointless ramblings
IronNoggin
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Sports fishing trips DO send a fair amount of jingle my way, at the right time. So does the troll openings, again - at the right time.
Not many want to be out where we operate through April and May. The weather is dicey enough when in a 40' rig, let alone in a substantially smaller sport cruiser. As noted, there are more than enough fish to support this ongoing fishery as well as the sports fishery. Each to their moment, and I truly enjoy being directly involved in both.
Simply a matter of perception, or misconception as the case may be. And of course there are many who willingly jump on that particular band wagon, furthering the misinformation chain with each uninformed posting. In reality, there are a LOT of springs out there just now. Were I to have a trip planned over the weekend, I certainly would be expecting to realize fine results.
Perhaps. I don't generally even look at bookings until some time later in June, just personal preference.
90,000?? WTH did that number come from? Triple what has really happened over the course of the past 2 months.
A little reality check here:
April's Catch: 8,553
May's Catch: 26,189
TOTAL</u> catch year to date: 34,742.
That spread out over the entire West coast from Books down through Pachena. Clipped to non-clipped ratio has been running a fairly consistent 65-70% in favor of the obvious hatchery production.
Gotta do what gotta do. Was there an impact due to the fishery? Of course. Was that sufficient to warrant abandoning the thought of wandering the Banks in the next little while? Not Hardly IMHO. There is still a rather large biomass of fish out there right now. I for one wouldn't hesitate to hunt there right now. Methinks the weather is playing a MUCH larger role in anyone's mind who considering an offshore foray over this particular weekend.
That said though, you will undoubtedly be pleased to learn that the announcement came down mere minutes ago. Area G is OFF the Big Pond as of midnight tomorrow. Done for this month. We will of course be right back at it come June 1, when perhaps we can revisit this worn out old topic once again...
Cheers,
Nog
Charlie
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Hmmm... interesting different views!
I guess I should start, I have to agree with ‘Nog” 100%!
If, I was fishing Vancouver Island right now… it would be out of Ucluelet, Tofino, or Bamfield, and yes in that order! Only because in that order I would spend less time finding the fish! Once in the fish… fish hard, as they won’t be there tomorrow – what are some of you thinking?
A TOTAL catch year to date: 34,742? Again, what are you thinking? If that number is correct… that is a “drop in the bucket” of the fish out there right now! Please, don’t forget this is May 21st! Has anyone looked at any of the "forecasts" for all those "Yankee" fish you are talking about? If you can't find them... I don't think I would be blaming any commercial fleet that only has a total catch of 34,742 – you need to hire someone/guide, who knows what they are doing? I would be more inclined and apt to believe "you" don’t know or understand “your” target?
You might want to look and do some homework on how Chinook travel, paying particular attention to how they travel with the currents and tides? That might be very much in order for anyone not finding or catching those fish, especially right now?
I guess I should start, I have to agree with ‘Nog” 100%!
If, I was fishing Vancouver Island right now… it would be out of Ucluelet, Tofino, or Bamfield, and yes in that order! Only because in that order I would spend less time finding the fish! Once in the fish… fish hard, as they won’t be there tomorrow – what are some of you thinking?
A TOTAL catch year to date: 34,742? Again, what are you thinking? If that number is correct… that is a “drop in the bucket” of the fish out there right now! Please, don’t forget this is May 21st! Has anyone looked at any of the "forecasts" for all those "Yankee" fish you are talking about? If you can't find them... I don't think I would be blaming any commercial fleet that only has a total catch of 34,742 – you need to hire someone/guide, who knows what they are doing? I would be more inclined and apt to believe "you" don’t know or understand “your” target?
You might want to look and do some homework on how Chinook travel, paying particular attention to how they travel with the currents and tides? That might be very much in order for anyone not finding or catching those fish, especially right now?
i can be proved wrong by outstanding reports this weekend and that will be the end of this converstaion on my end, however, we will soon see how good the fishing was? My research comes from pretty hard core people over there and believe me, well known guides are saying slow, so tell youserlf what you need to tell yourself but i was there last may at this time and it was plainly STUPID with FISH, we will see what this May brings???
Charlie
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Hmm… during most of May and June. If you don’t believe ‘Nog’… send this guy an email and ask how “he” is doing? He’ll tell you! murphy@island.net
Aces
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I've been a charter operator in Tofino since 1987 and i can assure you i don't think it's pointless, either.
In fact, on Tuesday i was at Portland Pt with 11 trollers and 3 other charters. We were fortunate enough to catch 3 Chinooks, my best friend caught 1 and 2 charterboats got blanked.
How's that for hot fishing?? [xx(]
IronNoggin
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You were simply in the wrong</u> place (as were the trollers there). On the same day you were there I helped welcome 140 over the rail, and that biomass was still very much happening the next day. Even the day after when we left, they were hungry on the gear. I'd hazard a guess they still are. Not exactly "On Fire", but pretty damn close [}
]Point being - the returners aren't always on the beach
Some good points Charlie. If I were to choose just where to fish right now, Ukee would be the spot for sure!
Cheers,
Nog
It was great fishing today in a bunch places off of Uki. If Nog is getting 140 over the rail in one day, sporties with light line and bait will be doing just fine.
I am happy that the trollers are going to be gone for at least 9 days and we can all see how good it really can be out there in May. I would say crazy by Monday.
Cheers!
Murph
I am happy that the trollers are going to be gone for at least 9 days and we can all see how good it really can be out there in May. I would say crazy by Monday.
Cheers!
Murph
Sculpin
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Anyways I got off on the wrong foot earlier and have had to bite my tongue through the rest of this thread. Great posts Nog and Charlie and as usual common sense prevails with both of you guys.
Thanks for the lastest report Murph.
"I'm not talkin bout pleasure boatin or day sailin......I'm talkin bout workin for a livin"- Captain Quint
Thanks for the lastest report Murph
."I'm not talkin bout pleasure boatin or day sailin......I'm talkin bout workin for a livin"- Captain Quint
