Aquaculture improving?..The Fish Farm Thread

[SpringFever552]

No surprise, Low oxygen levels in waters are the cause of these events, as stated weather events and their effects on those levels, combined with #'s and size of fish in the pens, fish suffocate.
Will not effect the wild fish as they move to deeper/different waters,

Hint if I was fishing inside Nootka sound, I'd be fishing deeper than I normally would do

 

[Hardy Guy]

It also happens in lakes and rivers to wild populations of different fish species. Sounds like DFO was giving Stan information. He also hot a nice paddle in.

 

[terrin]

Mass mortality event kills hundreds of tonnes of B.C. farmed salmon

DFO and operator attribute mass die-off to low oxygen, but one scientist who visited one far-flung site in a kayak worries the real cause could be more complicated.

www.coastreporter.net

Why does it take a whistleblower to bring this crap to light.
How many other such events happen that never see the light of day. I suspect we will never know.

Probably a blow out sale coming up at Costco. When you see those rot spots in the filets just pretend it was a battle wound from a sea lion.

 

[SpringFever552]

Probably a blow out sale coming up at Costco. When you see those rot spots in the filets just pretend it was a battle wound from a sea lion.

Sale on fish fertilizer in near future would be my bet

 

[agentaqua]

Out of sight - out of mind (hopefully) has always been the credo of the PR firms hire by the industry. It brings up the unresolved and ongoing issue of complete lack of notifications of disease outbreaks in real time with location, DFO's interpretation of the Privacy Act, & the relationship that the private vets hired by the industry being able to claim their responsibility lies with their clients rather than impacts to wild stocks.

If the cause of the fish kills was actually Heterosigma spp., or DO - that would be easy to confirm. Yet this was not done. Why?

Typically DO gets worse as you go deeper in inlets, not better. Temperature is higher near the surface but almost never gets too hot deeper than 8m, and more typically below 2-3m. So it seems very unlikely these are the stressor culprits, as well. Yet these were offered as explanations. Why?

And what is a mass mortality event verses a disease outbreak - and how is it defined? Who gets to determine that?

The company vet - not DFO.

And even if there were a disease outbreak in cultured stocks that they admitted to - who is testing adjacent wild stocks?

NOBODY. Out of sight - out of mind.

 

[Fishing?]

Mass mortality. Oxygen levels too low.

Didn't the FF's get to increase the number of fish in some farms due to the Broughton Archipelago closures?
Won't too many fish crammed into the same nets cause extra oxygen usage?

So might not this oxygen problem be caused by greed?

I don't think the DFO has ever tested a single farm. Sure they may go visit and look over the offered stats but I don't think they ever test anything except maybe the coffee. If they do then their results are never released.

The FF's are part of a group that reviews and approve information to politicos and the public. DFO has to go along with whatever they tell them, the FF's this way are the bosses of the DFO.

I notice that there are no longer any test fishery on the Fraser River or they increased the size of the net to 12". Did the totals start rising too high after the removal of the Broughton Farms so another source of information needed to be censored? Certainly the rivers have much more fish. Still not historical but rising fast.

 

[terrin]

I notice that there are no longer any test fishery on the Fraser River or they increased the size of the net to 12". Did the totals start rising too high after the removal of the Broughton Farms so another source of information needed to be censored? Certainly the rivers have much more fish. Still not historical but rising fast.

By the sounds of the fishing reports coming from Sunshine Coast you might be on to something.

 

[SpringFever552]

You all think this is 1st time this has happened?
These company's know this can, does and will happen.
The crews worked to save fish, non stop around the clock days in days out to get ahead of the event when it was found to be happening, fish died, chit happens
I know you all look for conspiracy theories and grasp at straws, saying its probably this, or probably that..
Time to take your tinfoil hats off , this event was low oxygen levels..millions $$ lost, insurance claim will be filed.
Just as you all would do if a tree falls on your house or your house floods.

 

[SpringFever552]

By the sounds of the fishing reports coming from Sunshine Coast you might be on to something.

Yeah ok

 

[agentaqua]

I'm not saying it wasn't DO or any other explanation. I am saying this claim is easy to back up with data, and other inlets nearby on WCVI should also be afflicted with similar noticeable changes in WQ, as well. This is what a basic DO/temp profile looks like:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346056265/figure/fig3/AS:960290128662561@1605962416722/Profiles-of-seasonal-means-of-temperature-a-salinity-b-pH-T-c-oxygen-d-and.ppm

And the industry and DFO have a very long history of out and out lying on many issues - one doesn't need a tin hat to recognize that:

Federal Government unjustifiably withholds scientific report for 10 years

Working towards the recognition, implementation and exercise of our inherent Indigenous Title, Rights and Treaty Rights

www.ubcic.bc.ca

Fisheries scientists call out Ottawa for 'flawed' sea lice report

A group of fisheries scientists have voiced criticism of a DFO report arguing flaws in its conclusion over salmon farms and sea lice.

vancouversun.com

Disgraced DFO Sea Lice Report Has So Many Holes, It Can’t Possibly Float | ComoxValley.News

16 independent scientists were so angry, they penned a letter to Fisheries Minister Joyce Murray

comoxvalley.news

Sean Jones: A crisis of trust with the science from the federal Fisheries Department

Lawyer Sean Jones argues for stronger regulations on salmon farming.

www.biv.com

Scientists Level New Critiques of Fisheries and Oceans Canada’s Scientific Rigor | Hakai Magazine

Critics allege the federal department’s ability to provide vital scientific advice is weighed down by systematic industry and political interference.

hakaimagazine.com

DFO sea lice report contains ‘serious scientific failings’: experts | The Narwhal

A Fisheries and Oceans Canada study found no significant link between sea lice at B.C. salmon farms and on wild salmon, prompting scientists to express ‘professional dismay’

thenarwhal.ca

Integrity of the DFO’s science advisory process in question

Apparent conflicts of interest between Fisheries and Oceans Canada’s science advisory process must be resolved to save endangered wild salmon stocks.

policyoptions.irpp.org

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0308597X21003018?via%3Dihub

Dear Senior DFO Staff Some Must Step Away from the Fish

Dear Senior DFO staff, I have read 12 years of your internal conversations about how you and your predecessors have suppressed the growing evidence that salmon farming is causing serious harm to wild salmon. Your emails are available through the Access to Information Act. I have come to the...

alexandramorton.typepad.com

Federal documents suggest strategic suppression of science report ahead of upcoming federal decision on Discovery Islands salmon farms | Watershed Watch Salmon Society

watershedwatch.ca

Canadian Science Publishing

The Virus that Makes DFO Put Its Head in the Sand | The Tyee

PRV must be taken more seriously, says a judge, again.

thetyee.ca

DFO told B.C. salmon farmers, but not First Nations, about mouth rot disease

Documents released under access to information legislation show federal scientists raised the alarm about a bacteria that causes potentially deadly lesions in Atlantic salmon, saying migrating Fraser River salmon were at risk

thenarwhal.ca

B.C. fish study worthless, official says

Federal scientist lambastes research on salmon farming

www.theglobeandmail.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/aquaculture-company-on-the-hook-for-500k-for-pesticide-use-1.1317105

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/fish-farm-collapse-cooke-aquaculture-report-washington-state-1.4516075

Solar eclipse not to blame for massive fish farm escape: environmentalists | Globalnews.ca

Officials are urging the public to catch as many fish as possible.

globalnews.ca

The onus of proof is always on the industry proponent to prove they didn't cause an effect - not the other way around.

 

[cuttlefish]

No surprise, Low oxygen levels in waters are the cause of these events, as stated weather events and their effects on those levels, combined with #'s and size of fish in the pens, fish suffocate.
Will not effect the wild fish as they move to deeper/different waters,

Hint if I was fishing inside Nootka sound, I'd be fishing deeper than I normally would do

I guess these “curtains” didn’t improve the outcome this time, if they were even used. https://www.fishfarmingexpert.com/b...ystem-at-three-british-columbia-farms/1207817
Curtains for open net pens in BC?

 

[terrin]

You all think this is 1st time this has happened?
These company's know this can, does and will happen.
The crews worked to save fish, non stop around the clock days in days out to get ahead of the event when it was found to be happening, fish died, chit happens
I know you all look for conspiracy theories and grasp at straws, saying its probably this, or probably that..
Time to take your tinfoil hats off , this event was low oxygen levels..millions $$ lost, insurance claim will be filed.
Just as you all would do if a tree falls on your house or your house floods.

Glad you acknowledge this **** happens. The problem is the disease infected dead flesh of the rotting carcasses just ooze away into the surrounding environment to infect and impact everything else that live in these waters. You cannot even clean a cement truck on the street and rightly so as that water ends up in the rivers and oceans but this toxic sludge from open net cage fish farms can just drift into the environment with no accountability.

 

[Dave]

The problem is the disease infected dead flesh of the rotting carcasses just ooze away into the surrounding environment to infect and impact everything else that live in these waters.

What disease did these fish have?

 

[terrin]

What disease did these fish have?

DFO never tests so we will not know unless someone can swing by in a canoe and get some samples tested.

 

[onefish]

As Agentaqua clearly demonstrates, DFO is knee deep in lies and half truths. I don't know about others, but I just assume anything DFO is selling is politically motivated, and filled with BS to suit their agenda of the day.

 

[agentaqua]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/federal-government-fish-farms-decision-1.7239498

 

[wildmanyeah]

"The Liberal government intends to move ahead with its 2019 campaign commitment to put an end to open-net salmon fish farms in coastal B.C. waters but the industry has been given five years to adapt to the plan, three sources say.

The federal cabinet made the decision last week and an announcement is expected on Wednesday in British Columbia, the sources say. The exact details, including a transition plan for the operators and fish workers, were not shared with The Globe and Mail. The Globe is keeping the sources confidential because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

The sources said the government will renew the licences for open-net fish farms for another five years, which matches the business cycle from hatchery to harvest, and then the industry must dismantle its open-net pens and move to land-based operations."

 

[SpringFever552]

1st nations that want them are already saying they will issue their own licenses.

 

[terrin]

1st nations that want them are already saying they will issue their own licenses.

Good luck with that. When they have these mass die off events like they are having right now will those two or three First Nation Band Chiefs provide insurance to make them whole?

 

[SpringFever552]

Good luck with that. When they have these mass die off events like they are having right now will those two or three First Nation Band Chiefs provide insurance to make them whole?

Youll find out in 5yrs...gotta love undrip