Under the present rules for halibut I totally agree. With a low number annual limit you would see the practice of giving customers the extra limit (which is already illegal) stop. Otherwise a guide is entitled to his or her annual fish limit just like anyone else. A stiffer penalty for those caught giving their limit to customers is ok by me.
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SerengetiGuide
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Extremely well said...
Dave S
Active Member
me too. 10 halibut per license is more than enough for anyone. If it's not, your gifting too much of your catch. ****, i think 150 lb's of halibut is enough for a year. If it's not, something is wrong imo. 30 salmon is also more than enough too.
Fish Assassin
Crew Member
If they were to go on a license I would hope there would be a spot for the Lenght and Width and Date so that they could get a beter idea of how big our catch each year really is. Then maybe we would go back a 2 and 2 fishery. Just like salmon we should have to be record the fish before the lines can go back in. If not a fine.... I think Coho should be on the licence as well. No more clipping no more hatchery clipped fish just coho. 2 a day with a anual limit recorded on the license. Is it really that hard to figure out fisheries managment??
Fish Assassin
Crew Member
Funny things is that if we did record them they would them just tell us that we are killing the young. Stop killing them chickens kill the bigger ones if you can find them.....LOL
Dam they could go a 2 fish over 50#s and very few of us would have any fish in our freezers.
Dam they could go a 2 fish over 50#s and very few of us would have any fish in our freezers.
Saxe Point
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I agree 100%.
i've believed this is part of the solution and makes a ton of sense also it would help in long run.
especially since the guides/lodges argument is there not selling fish there selling there time and experience which would indicate that on charters there limiting out on there not giving there clients their tagged fish or halibut otherwise there essentially selling there catch.
I don't quite understand this logic of yours, Poppa. I consider someone who stalks and finally tricks a big prey a real sportsman. Finding, tricking and landing a big fish is what I consider the real sport in sportfishing.
Versus getting out to quickly get your limit in fish any size that is easiest to catch is meathunting in my books.
For me personally, and I am not judging anyone here as I realize we all may see a different purpose in fishing, taking away the option of catching a very large specimen of fish takes away a major part of the excitement of fishing and I would probably quit fishing sooner or later if I was forced to stick with only small catch. Now I realize that some fish species lend themselves well to C&R and if I have a feeling that the large fish I can catch and land will have a good chance of survival after I release it - I can live with that fine. Halibut, the way we fish them on southern VI do not lend themselves to C&R and/or to measuring and photo taking before release. Therefore I have issues with this proposal.
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Karma-Kazi
Active Member
Well I read the whole thread and my opinion is this.
I think a yearly limit of 8-10 should be in place. But the whole season from feb 1st- dec 31st No size limits.
Yes Holmesy I think there would be people letting smaller ones go once they reach the last few remaining butts on the licence. Where we get the positive results is by having harsh penalties for people caught not marking down there fish. How about with your licence you get 10 tags with catch #'s on them. Tag and mark the fish down. Dont get caught without a tagged fish. Or ELSE BIG PENALTY!
-Steve
I think a yearly limit of 8-10 should be in place. But the whole season from feb 1st- dec 31st No size limits.
Yes Holmesy I think there would be people letting smaller ones go once they reach the last few remaining butts on the licence. Where we get the positive results is by having harsh penalties for people caught not marking down there fish. How about with your licence you get 10 tags with catch #'s on them. Tag and mark the fish down. Dont get caught without a tagged fish. Or ELSE BIG PENALTY!
-Steve
Lipripper
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Rum Buddies
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Hey Chris,
That the quote of mine isn't really meant to mean we should feel bad for catching a big fish, its about the lodges that promote filling the cooler and limiting out on all species as the goal. You know the lodges that show pictures with 100's of pounds of fish, full limits of big springs, full limits of breeder lings, full limits of 100 year old snapper, full limits of big halibut.
Compare that with a lodge that encourages customers to release big fish:
I'm willing to bet the guests got just a big of rush from releasing such an amazing fish and others would get by bonking, its just a matter of educating your guests.
Really I'm not opposed to catching big fish, I've bonked 5-6 fish over a 100lbs(only one for myself) - but I'm also pretty sure a lot of that meat ended up freezer burnt in a basement in Alberta. What I'm saying is these lodges need to start focusing on the thrill of the fight, the sport of hooking fish.
A lot of the guests I take out of Victoria don't have the means to bring home fish, so I give them the option of catch and release. People LOVE watching a nice bright healthy spring swim away, a lot of them didn't even know catch and release was an option and get all warm and fuzzy being able to do it.
so I guess my rant is more about the meat lodges then the average joe who wants to bonk a fish of a lifetime. Maybe my rant is not exactly on topic, I understand your concerns with measuring or weighing fish beside the boat and I don't have an answer for that. I also worry that if we give something up, its near impossible to get it back - ie. wild/clipped coho issue.
Rum Buddies
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Gunsmith
Well-Known Member
Those pics of hundreds of pounds of fish does set the wrong impression, especially with people who do not comprehend the work and situation around this style of fishing. Myself wonder at how long can a fishery sustain this?
For me I have not caught this big but I would like to say let it go, but not sure yet.
For me I have not caught this big but I would like to say let it go, but not sure yet.
fshnfnatic
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I agree with you,Jackel. Once we give anything to them,we'll never get it back.Just like income tax was supposed to be a "temperary
thing". YA RIGHT!! If,for instance the TAC for this year was 10,000,000 lbs.,at 15% that would be 1,500,000 lbs. That would probably
be enough hali to almost have a normal Feb. to Dec. fishery.
thing". YA RIGHT!! If,for instance the TAC for this year was 10,000,000 lbs.,at 15% that would be 1,500,000 lbs. That would probably
be enough hali to almost have a normal Feb. to Dec. fishery.
searun
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Trev is on the right track, lets focus on choices we have within the current angling regulations to extend the season by limiting the total poundage caught. Would suggest a slot limit like we have with Chinook - one under a length limit and one over. That could bring down the total pounds caught and spread out our allocation. The TAC and our allocation isn't going to change. We now need to focus on innovative ways to spread out the catch so we can at least keep on the water until the end of August. WHat's wrong with that approach on a short term basis. Long term, lets go after the Halibut tag with proceeds going to a recreational halibut fund that we can use to buy quota for all anglers.
lorneparker1
Banned
Why would that matter though? THe over and under appraoch. Im not saying its wrong, i just dont get it. who is there to weigh our fish? How can we prove that we have done that. and who is going to abide by that without it being a reg? you cant expect people to do it out of good will. Especailly when the DFO cant properly asses what we catch anyway. THe last part im completely on board with.
I'm not sure how long it would extend our season, the few places on the coast where you average halis are bigger then 75 pounds(AKA, NOT Swiftsure/Big Bank), don't really contribute that much to the TAC, do they?
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during the 1970s in statistics land, may authors were looking for the 'golden fleece'. as a result a number of mathmatical models were generated which held the promise of quickly producting valid and reliable data. now in order to verify whether or not these models actually work would require the collection of on ground data which were also collected in a very controlled way. once that on the ground data were acquired, it would be duck soup to determine how accurately any statistial model actually represented what happened or at least an appropriate error rate that could be factored in to future predictions.
in washington state, you folks need to check this through up north, a 'sample of convenience' model was adopted. so the way it works is WDFW picks one or two ports, samples folks 2-3 days/week, plugs those results into their computer model and 'predicts' the catch. they then follow that up with random telephone calls to licensed angelers. now in about 1985, WDFW published 2 monographs that suggested phone surveys had an error rate of 40-50%, anglers lie. none the less, using these never validated procedures, WDFW continues to use these techniques to this day.
we are required to purchase and fill out a catch record card for every species we angle for and return them as season end. the CRCs have not been summarized or analysized in about 12 years so there is no track of what actually has happened, only the 'sample of convenience' model is in place. WDFW has also calculated an 'average' weight for halibut but i think that is based on the legal commercial size limit of 32" in order to check tonnage quota.
now statistics are my friend so i challeged the halibut and subsequently the salmon folks at WDFW to explain how they went about validitating their claims. this debate raged for about 3 weeks and on their end of things the distributions list grew from 3 individuals to over 40, including the director and commissioners. i stopped this endless circle jerk by simply suggesting the techiques being used had never been validated and what they were producing was smoke and mirrors.
much to their discredit, they continue to produce smoke and mirrors 'quotas' that have zero reliability and have never been validated. i would suggest that some off shoot of this sort of approach is now infecting your DFO and probably has for some years. all the best in changing this tide.
in washington state, you folks need to check this through up north, a 'sample of convenience' model was adopted. so the way it works is WDFW picks one or two ports, samples folks 2-3 days/week, plugs those results into their computer model and 'predicts' the catch. they then follow that up with random telephone calls to licensed angelers. now in about 1985, WDFW published 2 monographs that suggested phone surveys had an error rate of 40-50%, anglers lie. none the less, using these never validated procedures, WDFW continues to use these techniques to this day.
we are required to purchase and fill out a catch record card for every species we angle for and return them as season end. the CRCs have not been summarized or analysized in about 12 years so there is no track of what actually has happened, only the 'sample of convenience' model is in place. WDFW has also calculated an 'average' weight for halibut but i think that is based on the legal commercial size limit of 32" in order to check tonnage quota.
now statistics are my friend so i challeged the halibut and subsequently the salmon folks at WDFW to explain how they went about validitating their claims. this debate raged for about 3 weeks and on their end of things the distributions list grew from 3 individuals to over 40, including the director and commissioners. i stopped this endless circle jerk by simply suggesting the techiques being used had never been validated and what they were producing was smoke and mirrors.
much to their discredit, they continue to produce smoke and mirrors 'quotas' that have zero reliability and have never been validated. i would suggest that some off shoot of this sort of approach is now infecting your DFO and probably has for some years. all the best in changing this tide.
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