Columbians "Myth or Fact" & "POST"

[Charlie]

quote:Originally posted by chris73

quote:Adult salmon follow the same migration path back, right?

Completely wrong.

Chris, you should change your major to: Marine Biology

There is a lot of "old" information floating around out there that many people believe and a lot of that information has been proven wrong, just in the past few years!

POST is just one of the more recent programs for tracking salmon, so we are finally getting a good picture of how these fish actually do migrate. Yes, it was designed to track smolts and juveniles; however, with the recent updated technology it has been expended. They have the ability to track for approximately 3 years. Even when the battery dies, when the fish is recovered the transmitter is usually still there and still identifies where fish originated.

 

[Pippen]

Now before anyone rips me on this one....I can identify my "species" but as for "where" they are headed, I am no pro.

I can chuck up a few pics from Tofino and let y'all be the judges.

Here is one;

 

[Pippen]

Now before anyone rips me on this one....I can identify my "species" but as for "where" they are headed, I am no pro.

I can chuck up a few pics from Tofino and let y'all be the judges.

Here is one;

 

[chris73]

Pippen,

There is no way to tell from just looking at a salmon. Stocks and strains feature any possible form and shape. The Fraser stocks alone can give you any possible combination of body shape and colour.

 

[Cuba Libre]

I can tell for sure its heading for the BBQ!!!![8D]

20ft Alumaweld Intruder

 

[Pippen]

quote:Originally posted by chris73

Pippen,

There is no way to tell from just looking at a salmon. Stocks and strains feature any possible form and shape. The Fraser stocks alone can give you any possible combination of body shape and colour.

Thanks Chris, I kind of thought that myself as well. I have caught salmon in the local Vancouver waters likely bound for the Fraser with many different charactertistics showing up on them. One of the guys with us just thought it was a Columbian due to the short stocky appearance with the really rounded head.

 

[Brisco]

quote:Originally posted by Pippen

quote:Originally posted by chris73

Pippen,

There is no way to tell from just looking at a salmon. Stocks and strains feature any possible form and shape. The Fraser stocks alone can give you any possible combination of body shape and colour.

Thanks Chris, I kind of thought that myself as well. I have caught salmon in the local Vancouver waters likely bound for the Fraser with many different charactertistics showing up on them. One of the guys with us just thought it was a Columbian due to the short stocky appearance with the really rounded head.

You guys are biggining to really scare me. [:0]

 

[chris73]

As I said, if you want some conclusive info on the composition of spring-run chinooks in the JDF, please email me. That puts the myth of the "Columbian" run in the JDF to rest. If you want to believe in Santa - so be it

 

[Pippen]

quote:Originally posted by Brisco

You guys are biggining to really scare me. [:0]

Why is that??

 

[Brisco]

Charlie is just stirring stuff up. I would like to see what would happen if we went on an American fishing site and told them they were catching our fish in their waters. What do you think their reaction would be ? Remember when all the plates in Campbell river were American ? Remember the Airstreamers with portable canning factories and bigger freezers than we had in our homes ? A couple of years ago they caught the American poaching prawns in Port Albernie,a Canadian wouldn't dare try that in the States.

 

[Charlie]

quote:Originally posted by Cuba Libre

I can tell for sure its heading for the BBQ!!!![8D]

I totally agree with that!

 

[Charlie]

quote:Originally posted by chris73

As I said, if you want some conclusive info on the composition of spring-run chinooks in the JDF, please email me. That puts the myth of the "Columbian" run in the JDF to rest. If you want to believe in Santa - so be it

Why not post it on here???

 

[Charlie]

quote:Originally posted by Pippen

Now before anyone rips me on this one....I can identify my "species" but as for "where" they are headed, I am no pro.

I can chuck up a few pics from Tofino and let y'all be the judges.

Here is one;

If I am not mistaken... that is an unclipped fish?
So, why does anyone think it is a "Columbian"? Hmmm... Shape?
I do have to agree with Chris on this one! That could be an early "Fraser"!

And, it will taste good on th BBQ!

 

[Pippen]

quote:Originally posted by Charlie
If I am not mistaken... that is an unclipped fish?
So, why does anyone think it is a "Columbian"?I do have to agree with Chris on this one!

And, it will taste good on th BBQ!

If not now....it will be, as I am going to hit it with my "Columbian Marinade"....or maybe that was the one destined for the "Columbian Peppered Cold Smoke".

 

[Sea Ranger]

I may be wrong, but by comparing that last picture to my memories of what a Columbian looks like, it is not a Colombian. Colombians are fatter then that for their length. Not only are Colombians shorter but their heads are shorter too. If you compare a Colombian's head to a regular spring's head you will notice their heads are shorter. They also tend to be blacker then a regular spring. Of course these properties don't always mean its a Colombian but its a good start. I don't want to sound like I know it all because I don't but I have caught my fair share of Colombians on the commercial trollers and everyone of them had these characteristics.

And remember....Keep your tip up!!!

 

[islandboy]

And all this time I thought Colombians were tanned and wore Fedoras. [8D]
It sure is getting windy around here.

www.kayaks2.com

 

[reelfast]

the good news is, starting june 1st, you an just ask'um for their passports!

phenotype is at best an ellusive art form and at worst misleading. if wiretagging were wide spread, we would have some conclusive evidence regarding who's on first. up until then, just enjoy the fishing. some great hints have been provided in this thread as to where to concentrate your efforts, worthy information from charlie.

 

[Sea Ranger]

Ditto!!!

And remember....Keep your tip up!!!

 

[chris73]

reelfast, there is</u> some solid wire tag info regarding chinook run composition in the JDF. No "Columbian" run in the JDF was the result.

 

[Nerka]

Grab a hole punch, take an operculum sample from the next columbian/fraser fish you catch and send it to the molecular lab at the Pacific Biological Station. For $30 they'll tell you where it was headed...

nerka