Chinook hatchery's

[Kris]

Stop whining and send an email to your MLA requesting the amount spent on hatcheries vs. the amount spent on fisheries...sorry but just do it..this forum is to get people fired up..NOW DO IT

 

[Karma-Kazi]

quote:Originally posted by porcupine

quote:Originally posted by Charlie

X2
You do know most of your “private” hatcheries have doing a very decent job the last few years and they accept donations! I bet they would accept that $10-$20 - or more, with most being spent on the fish!

I help raise and donate money for our local hatchery and challenge all other anglers on Vancouver Island to do the same. I know that Goldstream and Sooke can always use the money. There are other projects on the Island just as needy and can use your $10 donation.

Who do i contact to volenteer at a hatchery? I would love to do that.

-Steve

 

[Charlie]

I am not sure I would be in favor of giving DFO any additional funds that have to do with “WILD” salmon? Just so you know out of the salmon tag $1.00 goes to the “Pacific Salmon Foundation” the rest is administered by “DFO”! That’s about a ratio of 6 to 1?

Then you really need to look how much is collected and where the money goes? I am not sure about the “around 121 million a year” figure, maybe that's what DFO collects in tags? I have never looked into that, but I do know their budget is closer to 26 million and that is on the "entire" salmon fishery, including facilities. That was also confired from DFO. Sounds like a lot of money, going somewhere else! Hmm…?

quote:In addition, DFO’s Salmonid Enhancement Program (SEP), with an annual budget of $26 million, provides for hatchery operations, restoration of salmon habitat, rebuilding of vulnerable stocks, and support for community groups to protect the salmon resource. In addition, community partnerships involving 10,000 volunteers and $5 million annually in funding from partners also contribute to salmon habitat restoration in British Columbia

The sad part is “I believe” if it weren’t for the Pacific Salmon Treaty (PST) in 2008, Canada wouldn’t be spending that? I also really believe the only chance your “wild salmon” have now is “everyones” support... and the private hatcheries! In case you are unaware, DFO is reducing hatchery production in most areas.

I also wouldn’t be sending any email to your MLA requesting the amount spent on hatcheries vs. the amount spent on fisheries... I would be writing letters demanding they follow and abide by Canada’s law in the protection of your salmon.

The following came from the “Evaluation of the Salmonid Enhancement Program” Project Number 6B105, Final Evaluation Report, dated September 22, 2009
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/ae-ve/evaluations/08-09/6b105-eng.htm

quote: DFO Major Fish Enhancement Facilities ($15.3M per year):
The role of the major fish enhancement facilities was to engage in stock recovery and rebuild the depleted stocks while providing harvest opportunities and fishery benefits as part of an Integrated Fisheries Management Plan. There are 23 major fish enhancement facilities within the SEP. Twenty two are owned and operated by DFO. The Pallant Creek hatchery on the Queen Charlotte Islands is owned by DFO, jointly funded by the SEP and the Aboriginal Fisheries Strategy and operated by the Haida Tribal Society.
• Community Involvement Program (CIP) ($6.5M per year):
The CIP consists of two elements. First, the Community Economic Development Program (CEDP) with an annual budget of approximately $3.5 million is composed of 21 hatchery projects operated under contract. Second, the Public Involvement Program (PIP) receives $3.0 million for education, outreach, streamkeepers activities, and the operation of small volunteer run hatcheries and funds roughly 350 projects.
• Habitat Restoration ($2.7M per year):
This component focuses on habitat, restoration, as well as support for integrated watershed planning and partnerships related to habitat. It leverages between three to four million dollars a year from the private and volunteer sectors.
• Program Coordination, Assessment and Direction ($1.2M per year):
This component provides for planning, co-ordination and technical support and direction for the other program components.
It should be emphasized that fish production remains the Program’s main goal and most supported in terms of resources ($19.3M out of $25.7M) and activities ranging from large scale DFO hatcheries to the smaller scale hatcheries run by First Nations and local community groups under the Community Economic Development Program.
In 2008 the SEP launched a 5 year revitalization strategy as a means of modernizing and renewing the program. However, at the time of the evaluation, the SEP revitalization strategy elaboration was still underway and it was therefore too early to integrate these results in the analysis.
3.1 Relevance
Key Findings:
• SEP is aligned with Government of Canada priorities and DFO mandate and strategic outcomes.
• There are indications of public support for SEP activities in the Pacific region.
• Recent renewal of the Pacific Salmon Treaty (PST) between Canada and the United States with commitments to specific salmon enhancement activities; and DFO’s Wild Salmon Policy which indicates the SEP’s roles and responsibilities for conservation of wild salmon, highlight the continuing need for the Salmonid Enhancement Program (SEP) as the only Federal program providing large-scale salmon enhancement activities in support of Federal and DFO commitments.
At the time of the evaluation, there were indications of an increasing alignment of the SEP with Government of Canada priorities including support for traditional industries such as fisheries, protection of water and land and improving the lives of Canada’s aboriginal people. Further in April 2009, the SEP received funding from the 2009 Budget through Canada’s Economic Action Plan. The SEP will receive funds under the Modernizing Federal Laboratories Initiative to refurbish its hatcheries ($2.60M) as well as to renovate the infrastructure for improving both the water supply and delivery systems ($5.47M).
Linkages exist between the SEP and the DFO mandate and strategic priorities. SEP is identified under Fisheries Management within DFO’s 2007 Program Activity Architecture (PAA) structure and as such primarily contributes to the Sustainable Fisheries and Aquaculture strategic outcome. The fish production objective, which represents 75% of SEP’s total budget, supports the PAA Fisheries Management activity. The SEP is also integral to the DFO’s Strategic Plans (2000-2005, 2005-2010), Sustainable Development Strategies (2001-2003, 2005-2006, 2007-2009), and DFO’s RPP (2005-2006, 2006-2007, 2007-2008).
The three remaining SEP objectives of habitat restoration, community capacity development, public stewardship which represent 25% of SEP’s budget could also be linked to a strategic outcome in the PAA, namely, Healthy and Productive Aquatic Ecosystems, although they are not specifically identified as such.
The continuing need for the SEP can be emphasized by the renewal of the Pacific Salmon Treaty (PST) between Canada and the United States in 2008. Effective from 2009 to 2018, the purpose of the treaty is to ensure the conservation and harvest sharing of Pacific salmon and commits both parties to a carefully planned and coordinated joint enhancement program for trans-boundary rivers. The treaty also ties Canada and the US to certain principles, including the implementation of an enhancement program consistent with the protection of existing wild salmon stocks, the habitat upon which they depend and the use of a variety of approaches to increasing production. This Treaty and its principles have major implications for DFO in particular for salmon enhancement activities where the SEP is the only means for Canada to honour its commitments.
Further highlighting a need for the SEP is DFO’s Wild Salmon Policy which came into effect in 2005. The policy describes how DFO will meet its responsibilities for the conservation of wild Pacific salmon. It stipulates an overall policy goal for wild salmon, identifies basic principles to guide resource management decision-making, sets out objectives and strategies to achieve the goal and defines SEP’s roles and responsibilities for enhancement and other activities.
It was noted by Program staff that the SEP needed to be revitalized and refocused so that it could better address the current context of the salmonid resources and the continuing decline of Pacific Coast salmon stocks. The approach to doing so would be the continuation of alignment of the SEP with the Wild Salmon Policy. Other initiatives such as the Recreational Fisheries Vision, Species at Risk Act (SARA), climate change and integrated planning in the Oceans Act could also impact the SEP.
Indications are that there is public support for the SEP to focus on environmental stewardship by volunteer groups, habitat protection and restoration, education and the development of remote communities through the economic benefits provided by the hatcheries. Most key external informants were of the opinion that the use of social mechanisms such as stewardship, education, and outreach were important to make possible the societal adjustments for resource conservation. Moreover, it was thought that enhancement achieved through ecological means, such as habitat restoration, were a more responsible approach to sustaining the resource. Public support for the SEP does not appear to be uniform across the province. In coastal areas, where there is a large commercial and recreational fisheries industry, awareness of the SEP program is high whereas within the interior areas of the province the program has less visibility.
Public support for the SEP’s primary Fish Enhancement Facilities activities did not appear as robust. Results of the 2002 public consultation seemed to emphasize the importance of sustaining wild salmon (i.e., supporting genetically diverse and self-sustaining salmon populations) with the thought that sustaining fisheries through the use of hatcheries posed a risk to wild salmon. It was felt that smaller facilities should be favoured over major facilities and that hatcheries should be used as a temporary measure when a salmon run is threatened with extinction and until the salmon run is secured and sustainable once again. It should be noted that the last SEP consultations (in 2000) were held concurrently with the consultations for the drafting of the Wild Salmon Policy and may have influenced public understanding that resulted in the public favouring enhancement for conservation purposes over the enhancement for harvest purposes.
It was observed that the SEP activities of habitat restoration, community capacity development and public stewardship share similar objectives to other DFO programs and contribution agreements; however, their activities complement rather than duplicate each other. (See graph 1).
These programs and recipients do not share the same activities or the same project selection criteria which vary between programs. For example, the SEP and the Habitat Stewardship Program (HSP) share similar overall objectives but have different criteria which distinguishes them. The SEP projects are involved in salmon enhancement activities, which include projects of habitat restoration, community capacity development, public stewardship and fish production.
HSP projects consider only Species at Risk Act (SARA) listed species and fund projects related to these species for habitat restoration, community capacity development and public stewardship. (Project selection criteria for the programs and recipients listed in Graph 1, were not studied in detail for the SEP evaluation).
It can be noted that of the SEP’s four activities, the fish production component is unique. The SEP is the only Federal program that provides large-scale salmon enhancement activities and it is this activity which would serve to support the objectives, principles and DFO’s commitments under the Pacific Salmon Treaty.
It can be noted that of the SEP’s four activities, the fish production component is unique. The SEP is the only Federal program that provides large-scale salmon enhancement activities and it is this activity which would serve to support the objectives, principles and DFO’s commitments under the Pacific Salmon Treaty.

 

[wolf]

From what came out of one of the SFAB meeting was that habitat conservation fund we pay into ($6.42) the amount that comes nack to b.c is a buck thats all its a joke as I dont think they sell to many salt water lic in the praries...

What Ive always said is any local derby should and some do, donate it to our local hatcheries just a thougt.
I would also see some sort of thing for donations to set up a trust for a lawyer (who is a fisherman) to fight DFO as I personally think this is what we need to happen SUE them and take them to COURT.

Our hatchries do a good job from what ive seen keep up the good work thanks


Good luck Wolf

 

[scott craven]

quote:

Who do i contact to volenteer at a hatchery? I would love to do that.

-Steve

quote:

http://www.sookesalmonenhancementsociety.com/contact.html

 

[Little Hawk]

Better yet, here's the President's email: melanjudy@shaw.ca

His name is Mel and he and the rest of the gang of volunteer's are doing a wonderful job out there. A more dedicated group of individuals you will find nowhere. They can always use an extra hand and every cent of your donation/membership fee goes to growing fish for South Island fisherman!

I joined last year but only made it out to one work-party (shame on me). Work, and fact that I live in town here and it's a bit of a drive were also factors. I may be moving out into the Western Communities this spring and if that happens hopefully I'll be able to avail myself more often.

"Some could care less if there's any fish left for our kids!"

 

[porcupine]

quote:Originally posted by fishflyguy89

quote:Originally posted by porcupine

quote:Originally posted by Charlie

X2
You do know most of your “private” hatcheries have doing a very decent job the last few years and they accept donations! I bet they would accept that $10-$20 - or more, with most being spent on the fish!

I help raise and donate money for our local hatchery and challenge all other anglers on Vancouver Island to do the same. I know that Goldstream and Sooke can always use the money. There are other projects on the Island just as needy and can use your $10 donation.

Who do i contact to volenteer at a hatchery? I would love to do that.

-Steve

Goldstream Volunteer Salmonid Enhancement Association


http://www3.telus.net/gvsea/#

 

[IronNoggin]

quote:Originally posted by holmes

not to be a debbie downer here...but..if hatcheries in Canada start producing way too many fish is it not possible for DFO to start allowing more commercial openings?

That particular idea has about as much chance of occurring as an icicle forming in hell.

Why?

Citing downtrends in available funding (remember this was occurring when there actually was a "surplus" of available tax dollars - simply a matter of priority) the Dino reduced the production in nearly all coastal hatcheries. Several times in fact. Unless there is some sudden and stupendous windfall, the days of even decent production are long over under the current watch.

Private hatcheries are useful, and do make some significant input towards returning stocks, especially in smaller systems that have depressed stocks (many) or are the subject of heavy fishing pressure. They simply cannot however produce the volumes of the larger Fed designed machines, so it is entirely unlikely that even all combined, they could possibly induce a glut or "way too many fish" in the overall picture.

Commercial salmon fishing is very much a "Sunset Industry". The Dino is intentionally carving away each and every season at their openings, and the obvious intent is to eventually largely do away them. Ask any one involved with them just how many jobs they take outside of that industry - simply to keep a roof over their heads.
Again, this is something that is extremely unlikely to change. Were somehow a "surplus" of salmon were to magically appear, the only sector that might be allowed to target them would be that run by the well connected Jimmy P's of this world. The rest would merrily be sent packing with the now common phrase: Suck It Up.

Given all that, methinks you have very little to worry about in this regard.

Cheers,
Nog

 

[searun]

My understanding is the majority of funds collected from the conservation tags simple go to general revenue. There is no designated fund for hatchery production. Time for us sport fishers to direct funds towards hatchery production, but with the proviso that we have a governance model in place to ensure the funds are actually managed in a way that produces the max production. As for private hatcheries, they really do not exist in large enough productive capacity to make a difference. The key would be to secure transfer of ownership of all Federally owned facilities from DFO to a privately run corporation owned and managed by those who funded it through fishing license sales. []

Searun

 

[fishingbc]

quote:Originally posted by wolf

From what came out of one of the SFAB meeting was that habitat conservation fund we pay into ($6.42) the amount that comes nack to b.c is a buck thats all its a joke as I dont think they sell to many salt water lic in the praries...

What Ive always said is any local derby should and some do, donate it to our local hatcheries just a thougt.
I would also see some sort of thing for donations to set up a trust for a lawyer (who is a fisherman) to fight DFO as I personally think this is what we need to happen SUE them and take them to COURT.

Our hatchries do a good job from what ive seen keep up the good work thanks


Good luck Wolf

As a former employee of P.S.F (Pacific Salmon Foundation)I brought the whole issue of the Salmon Conservation Stamp ($6.42) and the $1.00 contribution to PSF up at the highest levels and it boils down to this....PSF has to match every dollar it receives from the Salmon Conservation Stamp and is not interested in having to match $6.42 every time one is attached to our Tidal Water Licenses....the agreement with DFO, PSF and the Treasury board is a joke....$5.42 of the $6.42 collected goes directly into general revenue to be used on whatever the hell the feds want to use it for....It certainly is going to any kind of salmon conservation, more like filling pot holes on the Trans Canada highway or digging ditches in Winnipeg...its a fraud from the minute one pays for it....ask anyone of your clients (if your a charter operator) or anyone for that matter where they "think" the $6.42 is going and 99% of the answers will be "to salmon conservation, of course"....the whole Tidal Water Licensing system is a joke from not using catch data from our Chinooks to the online Licensing abuse to the Salmon Conservation Stamp....DFO needs to use the Chinook data on the licenses and stop relying on the ridiculously expensive fly overs and creel surveys, increase the salmon conservation stamp to $50.00 as long as it goes directly to the under funded hatchery system, add a $50.00 halibut stamp with a 8-10 fish limit and start doin what they are supposed to be doin....I'm not sure they even know what that is anymore.....