Boat Size

adanac

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Hi guys, new member on this forum, but i have been a long time lurker. Anyways im just looking for some input on boat size as i am in the market for a new center console. I am torn between either a newer model ( 2000 - 2004, 20' - 22') , or something a bit older a bit older ( 1996 - 2000 , 23' - 25' ). This boat would be used around Howe Sound/Gulf Islands for the majority of the year, with a few Bamfield trips each season. Would a 20' - 22' even be capable of running offshore out of Bamfield?
Thanks in advance,
Adanac.
 
Yup! Just gotta pick your weather and go with another boat or in a crowd. I've been 45minutes straight offshore in a 21ft triumph CC with 5 guys on board, and 6ft rollers and no problems. I would go with the newer shorter, better on fuel boat and if your going to be ecvi most of the time, you don't really need anything bigger than 21ft. 23-25ft'rs are pain in the arse to launch and retrieve too, harder to find spots in marina's and hard to tow...
 
Had an older 21' Seacraft CC that we ran for a number of years in the local Vancouver waters....Howe Sound and across the Gulf.

I enjoyed it as a local boat........but if I was crossing the gulf I would pick my days or times of the day carefully. I hate arriving where I am going with myself and passengers totally soaked! :p

As for running offshore on the WCVI.....you can certainly do it as mentioned in days of good weather but bear in mind, if you make the trek over the weather may very, very much dictate your ability to run out moreso than some other styles of boats. In saying that though....some of the lodge boats on the WCVI aren't much "more" of a boat than you are talking.

I tell ya though....for an easy fishing boat, great running around the local Vancouver waters.....I loved the boat.
 
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really its too rough for a 22' then its most likely too rough for a 25' as well. You're just going to be a little more comfortable in the bigger boat, but not always. If I was going to go with a 25' I'd go with something with a cuddy myself though.
 
I have a 22 ft. center console and run out to Bajo at Nootka and have not difficulty. That's a 30 minute run in moderate seas from the light house. Obviously bigger is better, but, I feel fine. Buddy up is always recommended or follow someone going in the same direction. Also, if you're going offshore, you've gotta have radar and preferrable 2 x GPS. I'm even considering AIS this year in case you ever drift into shipping lanes. The fog offshore creeps up on you and you need to be prepared.
 
Georgia can get quite rough at times – been there, done that! I personally would stay with an “offshore” type designed hull. Offshore boats are designed to those big waters and large waves. They range from 20 feet and up, are deep veed, and they have a significant dead rise of 20 degrees or more. That dead rise gives them the ability to cut into a wave rather than pounding on top of it. And, because they cut into a wave, their bow needs to be big and deep. If it is planned to be used on WCVI offshore – it should have twins. Face it; 25-30 miles off the beach is no place to break down and have no power to get home. In addition, towing a boat in from that far, is NOT fun either.

You need to buy a boat based onYOUR and ITS intended use and design. Most small boats are built with a very small dead rise (the angle of the hull in the water) and short gunnels (the side of the boat). They are designed for inshore fishing. Bay boats are the first to come to mind when I think of an inshore boats. They are built for bay fishing – and yet on every trip I make I see them as far as 30 miles out and almost always powered by a single engine with a kicker. Someone who believes they are going to motor in on a 9.9 kicker on a 25 foot boat, just might be wrong - hope you have an offshore wind, with an incoming tide!

There are a lot of Center Consoles, Walkarounds, Runabouts, Bow Riders, Cruisers, Deck Boats running around that look like offshore boats; but they are in fact - “Bay Boats.” . These bay boats are now coming out in lengths over 24 feet. They are NOT true offshore! No true offshore boat can be used inshore very easily, and no true inshore boat can be used offshore. So, for most, here comes the answer – a modified "bay boat". Trying to be the best of both worlds it is has a shallow enough draft to fish inshore, yet has a larger deadrise and somewhat bigger bow that lets it get offshore. Sooner-or-later, that design will get one running offshore in trouble. Best bet, just ask the manufacturer if you should take that bay boat very far offshore and you are liable to get a big “no!” They simply are not designed for it!

To some offshore means five miles to others (me included) offshore is closer to 25 miles. My insurance is acrually valid to 150 miles offshore, which also happens to be my fuel range! A rule of thumb I use… if the boat doesn’t carry enough fuel in its factory tanks to get me there and back – I won’t go! Gasoline, rough seas, and jerry cans just don’t mix for me. I quit carrying jerry cans years ago.

If the intent is to runoffshore, you should get a truly designed “offshore” boat. Most would say minimum is 25 feet, plus, with twins. The top tree rated by J.D.Powers, is Grady-White ranking highest in the coastal fishing followed by Boston Whaler and Century. The goal of every offshore hull design is to achieve the ultimate in sea kindliness. Anyone who has experienced an offshore in rough sea conditions will attest to the offshore hull design of those three boats. Those hull designed finely Veed forward hull sections result in a forward entry which literally cuts through seas effectively eliminating pounding and/or slapping in head seas, regardless of size. Size does make a difference! It is as simple as this, a 30 foot Grady-White will be ride better and be safer in larger waters than a 25 footer, and a 25 foot will be safer than a 22 footer, and a 22 foot will be safer than a 20 footer! I would not suggest taking anything less thana 20 foot offshore, just for the reason of potential “floundering”! BTW… Most small boat don’t capsize – they flounder then rollover!
 
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really its too rough for a 22' then its most likely too rough for a 25' as well. You're just going to be a little more comfortable in the bigger boat, but not always. If I was going to go with a 25' I'd go with something with a cuddy myself though.

Maybe you should do a little research on hull designs, before posting a "its too rough for a 22' then its most likely too rough for a 25" as well! :)
 
I have a 18ft LIFETIMER offshore model, and it preforms quite well for what I want. With buddy boats, I have been 24 miles out. Just have to pick yur weather. As someone else said, if its too ruff for 22ft's its to ruff for a lot of boats.
I have used 18ft center consoles at langara (their own style) and have ridden some wild weather there, and quite happy with them. With any size boat, if you are going outside, best to have a companion, or at least be familair with area. A radio should be a must.
 
Is "flounder" a nautical term? Not "founder"?
 
I really appreciate all the feedback so far guys. As of now i've narrowed it down to two boats, a 23' Hydra Sports cc with a 225hp Yamaha 4- stroke, or a 21' Boston Whaler Outrage with a 200hp Yamaha 4 - stroke.
 
I've got a 212 CC Hydra Sports. I'm happy with mine. The 23 is quite a bit larger, you'd be happy with it. Solid boat, well built with a 8'9' beam.
 
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I have a 18ft LIFETIMER offshore model, and it preforms quite well for what I want. With buddy boats, I have been 24 miles out. Just have to pick yur weather. As someone else said, if its too ruff for 22ft's its to ruff for a lot of boats.
I have used 18ft center consoles at langara (their own style) and have ridden some wild weather there, and quite happy with them. With any size boat, if you are going outside, best to have a companion, or at least be familair with area. A radio should be a must.

Yep, you just keep thinking that... let me tell you how that just might end up, "Pash said a Cormorant Helicopter from 442 Search and Rescue Squadron responded and the 19-foot vessel was inspected by search and rescue technicians. The boat had overturned, and there was no sign of the four men who had been aboard when the boat departed Winter Harbor on Monday.

Missing are Peter Idlewine, 53, of Brush Prairie; Gary Evans, 54, of Vancouver; and Tony Evans, 52, of Canby, Ore. Also missing is their local fishing guide, Kevin Sturgess, 36."
 
Maybe you should do a little research on hull designs, before posting a "its too rough for a 22' then its most likely too rough for a 25" as well! :)

ok Charlie at least that's my words not copied from another website. - thanks for the tips on bay boats though, that information will come in handy for all the snook fishermen in Lousianna reading the board. Exactly which "modified bay boat" do you suggest?

And yes Charlie - if its too rough for a 22' deep v hull its most likely too rough for a 25' deep v hull - please explain to me the flaw in that?
 
Yep, you just keep thinking that... let me tell you how that just might end up, "Pash said a Cormorant Helicopter from 442 Search and Rescue Squadron responded and the 19-foot vessel was inspected by search and rescue technicians. The boat had overturned, and there was no sign of the four men who had been aboard when the boat departed Winter Harbor on Monday.

Missing are Peter Idlewine, 53, of Brush Prairie; Gary Evans, 54, of Vancouver; and Tony Evans, 52, of Canby, Ore. Also missing is their local fishing guide, Kevin Sturgess, 36."

This is why the expression .......... "bigger is better"
 
ok Charlie at least that's my words not copiedfrom another website. - thanks for the tips on bay boats though, thatinformation will come in handy for all the snook fishermen in Lousianna readingthe board. Exactly which "modified bay boat" do you suggest?
And yes Charlie - if its too rough for a 22' deep v hull its most likely toorough for a 25' deep v hull - please explain to me the flaw in that?

Louisianna? Well actually, I haven’t read that site… maybe you should post the link? J

Oh, wait… Would that be “Louisiana” you are referring? Guess what… I haven't read that site, either! J

Well, I guess I should inform you your, “that’s my words” isn’t correct! And, I do assure, I didn’t copy any of those words from any “Louisiana” website! However, as stated I would love for you to post the link, so I can see who agrees with me! J

Now, you have to be kidding, right? Are you so naive that you really believe a larger “offshore” boat not only provides a nicer ride, but it is also safer? You really need do need to do some research on that one? And, to suggest any “bay boat” is even in the same class of “offshore”… that might be close to ludicrous! They are designed to do different things! What are you thinking? J

Concerning difference between any 22’ and a 25’ designed hull, that my friend… is just plain, stupid? I believe the comment there is the "bigger the better"? J
 
Shop around buy the best boat you can for the application your going to be using most. There are 150' boats that sink every year S@$T happens, so do the best to prep your boat and don't cheap out on Safety and Nav gear... I was offshore 16 miles last year in my 20' hewescraft was I crazy not really I check the weather and went out with another boat. I think common sense plays a big part I have seen a 28' boat last year that could handle the water way better than I could lost in the fog with no Nav gear or the skills to use it!!! You can get killed driving to the boat dock there is a little bit of chance in everything!!
Buy the Best boat you can for what you need it for!

JAC
 
Bottom line is check the weather ( i check at least 3 sites) and don't go out if you have any doubt.
obviously bigger boats handle bigger water.
 
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