Aquaculture improving?..The Fish Farm Thread

Isn’t it ngo’s who insist the ff industry prove it isn’t having an impact? The industry gives money to do the work and suddenly the science is no good because the money train is not “clean”.

The study must be peer reviewed or it would not have been published.

Seems to me that the study/science should be questioned, if it is obviously flawed then the case of the funding source would have some merit.
This is another hypocrisy demonstrated where ngo’s insist its all about science but when the science doesn’t fit the narrative the goal posts are moved and it become about the funding.
 
No doubt the prv study on Chinook salmon received the same money. But there are no foul cry’s about that.
 
Birdsnest said:
No doubt the prv study on Chinook salmon received the same money. But there are no foul cry’s about that.
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Conflict of interest..... this is rich. No complaints when the anti-salmon farming protesters receive money from the Alaskan Ranching NGO's. Keep seeing heavy support on these forums for the oceans being raped by Alaska....I wonder, maybe we need to dig up all that? Vivian Krause is labeled a conspiracy theorist for showing how Suzuki used money to create a fake smear campaign on the poisons in farmed salmon. All 100% made up BS which caused significant finiancial hardship for the salmon farmers. This is the new day.....whatever you are doing wrong, just blame the other side for it and deflect, deflect, deflect!
 
Birdsnest said:
No doubt the prv study on Chinook salmon received the same money. But there are no foul cry’s about that.
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Only get cries if they find no problems. Then tinfoil hat Alexandra will get on the case to raise a bunch of money and post pictures of sea lice on salmon in her aquarium from 10 years ago....
 
All peer-reviewed studies have a section where they list affiliations, declare conflicts of interest (if any) & funding, and acknowledge people. Pretty standard.

wrt DFO - the "regulator" - should they have conflicts of interest in promoting the industry too? ESPECIALLY when determining impacts? ESPECIALLY when taking money from the industry to do their studies?

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/reports-rapports/vicr-virc/vicr-virc2012-eng.htm#part3
PART 3: Conflict of Interest and Post-Employment
A) Definitions
  • Conflict of Interest:
  • A situation in which a public servantFootnote 8 has private interests that could improperly influence the performance of his or her official duties and responsibilities or in which a public servant uses his or her office for personal gain. A realconflict of interest exists at the present time, an apparent conflict of interest could be perceived by a reasonable observer to exist, whether or not it is the case, and a potential conflict of interest could reasonably be foreseen to exist in the future.

    According to the Federal Court of Appeal in Threader,Footnote 9 the existence of an apparent conflict of interest must be determined by the following question: Would an informed person, viewing the matter realistically and practically and having thought the matter through, think it more likely than not that the public servant, whether consciously or unconsciously, will be influenced in the performance of his official duties by considerations having to do with his private interests?

    In the public service, the appearance and perception of a conflict of interest is as important to manage as a real conflict of interest.

  • Conflict of duties:
  • A conflict that arises, not because of a public servant’s private interests, but as a result of one or more concurrent or competing official responsibilities. For example, these roles could include his or her primary public service employment and his or her responsibilities in an outside role that forms part of his or her official duties, such as an appointment to a board of directors, or other outside function.

  • Third party:
  • Any individual, group, or organization external to the Government of Canada, such as a private individual, a business, a society, an association, or a university
 
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agentaqua said:
All peer-reviewed studies have a section where they list affiliations, declare conflicts of interest (if any) & funding, and acknowledge people. Pretty standard.

wrt DFO - the "regulator" - should they have conflicts of interest in promoting the industry too? ESPECIALLY when determining impacts?
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would you apply this to the sport fishing sector?
Should dfo science in favour of sport fishing be excluded as well?
 
agentaqua said:
All peer-reviewed studies have a section where they list affiliations, declare conflicts of interest (if any) & funding, and acknowledge people. Pretty standard.

wrt DFO - the "regulator" - should they have conflicts of interest in promoting the industry too? ESPECIALLY when determining impacts? ESPECIALLY when taking money from the industry to do their studies?

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/reports-rapports/vicr-virc/vicr-virc2012-eng.htm#part3
PART 3: Conflict of Interest and Post-Employment
A) Definitions
  • Conflict of Interest:
  • A situation in which a public servantFootnote 8 has private interests that could improperly influence the performance of his or her official duties and responsibilities or in which a public servant uses his or her office for personal gain. A realconflict of interest exists at the present time, an apparent conflict of interest could be perceived by a reasonable observer to exist, whether or not it is the case, and a potential conflict of interest could reasonably be foreseen to exist in the future.

    According to the Federal Court of Appeal in Threader,Footnote 9 the existence of an apparent conflict of interest must be determined by the following question: Would an informed person, viewing the matter realistically and practically and having thought the matter through, think it more likely than not that the public servant, whether consciously or unconsciously, will be influenced in the performance of his official duties by considerations having to do with his private interests?

    In the public service, the appearance and perception of a conflict of interest is as important to manage as a real conflict of interest.

  • Conflict of duties:
  • A conflict that arises, not because of a public servant’s private interests, but as a result of one or more concurrent or competing official responsibilities. For example, these roles could include his or her primary public service employment and his or her responsibilities in an outside role that forms part of his or her official duties, such as an appointment to a board of directors, or other outside function.

  • Third party:
  • Any individual, group, or organization external to the Government of Canada, such as a private individual, a business, a society, an association, or a university
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Well this locks up all sectors salmon farming, sports fishing, and commercial fishing. Industry’s provides huge tax dollars which is used to fund science. The scientists get paid to do the work. So scientist doing government funded work is void because of the funding sources.
This isn’t science.
This is just moving the goalposts all over the place.
 
it is both interesting, concerning and unfortunate IMHO how the industry and industry pundits confuse what the role of a federal regulator should be.

Kinda speaks to the decades-long conflicted relationship (IMHO) where DFO has promoted and protected the industry over and above it's legally mandated role as protector of wild fish (thanks to Yves Bastion's enduring legacy of collusion). There are other departments that should be used to promote industry - like Industry Canada.

Justice Cohen also came to those same conclusions wrt collusion and conflicts of interest wrt DFO promoting aquaculture over it's primary duty - the protection of wild salmon:

Recommendation 3
The Government of Canada should remove from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans’ mandate the promotion of salmon farming as an industry and farmed salmon as a product.

Recommendation 18
If at any time between now and September 30, 2020, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans determines that net-pen salmon farms in the Discovery Islands (fish health sub-zone 3-2) pose more than a minimal risk of serious harm to the health of migrating Fraser River sockeye salmon, he or she should promptly order that those salmon farms cease operations.

Recommendation 19
On September 30, 2020, the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans should prohibit net-pen salmon farming in the Discovery Islands (fish health sub-zone 3-2) unless he or she is satisfied that such farms pose at most a minimal risk of serious harm to the health of migrating Fraser River sockeye salmon. The Minister’s decision should summarize the information relied on and include detailed reasons. The decision should be published on the Department of Fisheries and Oceans’ website.

Recommendation 23
The Department of Fisheries and Oceans should, by September 30, 2013, complete and make public a risk assessment of the interactions of Fraser River sockeye salmon with enhanced salmon in the marine environment.

Recommendation 67
The fish health research priorities of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans should reflect its responsibility for the conservation of wild fish. To that end, DFO’s science managers should encourage innovation and new research into novel diseases and other conditions affecting wild fish, beyond the interests of specific “clients” such as the Canadian Food Inspection Agency or aquaculture management.
 
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I’m certainly not confusing the roles of dfo here. I’m am simply applying your conflict of interest presentation to other sectors of fisheries industry.
I am simply fascinated by your blatant ability to disregard/clearly ignore how your own ideas may apply to other fishery industries. Fascinating indeed but dangerous.
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I think Justice Cohen & his recommendations are anything but "dangerous". Responsible, accurate and legal - would be my description of his recommendations.

That perspective where any criticism of the industry on it's operations and lack of appropriate oversight is met with personal attacks and attempts to de-legitimize the focus is exactly why self-reporting and self-enforcement in the industry doesn't work.
 
The Cohen recommendations you listed have been finalized or acted upon. What point were you trying to make?
 
The government's ability to regulate is almost as famous as Alexandra's Morton's ability to sample. Amazing how no one is able to replicate her fascinating sampling methods.
 
Can you please provide an example of a personal attack?
 
$37 Million was spent on the Cohen Commission; Justice Cohen heard from over 200 witnesses and experts; examined over 573,381 documents and 2,147 exhibits; and it took nearly 3 years with 138 days of evidence.

A meme posted by an industry pundit on a forum isn't going to persuade me or anyone else that the industry shouldn't be subject to the recommendations generated by Justice Cohen.
 
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