Aquaculture improving?..The Fish Farm Thread

[wildmanyeah]

Statement by the Tlowitsis Nation and Grieg Seafood BC​

STATEMENT BY THE PARTNERS

On June 24, 2021 the Tlowitsis Nation and Grieg Seafood BC Ltd. together submitted an application to the regulators for an additional salmon farm in the Tlowitsis Nation’s traditional territory of Clio Channel. The partners have been engaged for several years in these discussions to grow existing salmon farming operations in the area and support the Nation's goal of economic self-determination.
To further that same vision the partners also recently entered into a net-washing agreement while supporting Grieg Seafood’s need for local service providers and more workers.
“We have built a solid relationship with Grieg Seafood over more than ten years of many meetings, visiting their farms and travelling to Ottawa, Vancouver and Victoria to speak to regulators about our views of aquaculture,” said Chief John Smith. “Our Guardians are on the water monitoring the farm activities as well as our members employed by Grieg. We have taken a lot of time to learn about the industry and our partner before we decided to become involved more directly and for us, adding more farms in our territory is the clear way forward. Our net-wash service company will also benefit from additional work for our members at a new farm.”
“Like so many other changes to our operations during our 20 years operating in BC, integrating Indigenous businesses into our core operations is a transition that reflects the work we have started doing around reconciliation, and how we create even more opportunity than before, with our First Nations partners,” said Rocky Boschman, Managing Director of Grieg Seafood.
“Chief Smith is a strong advocate for his community and has a first-hand understanding of our salmon farming operations,” added Boschman. “We appreciate his regular advice and input and are committed to meeting his expectations of a respected relationship.”

Chief John Smith
Tlowitsis Nation

Rocky Boschman
Grieg Seafood BC Ltd.

 

[cuttlefish]

Statement by the Tlowitsis Nation and Grieg Seafood BC​

STATEMENT BY THE PARTNERS

On June 24, 2021 the Tlowitsis Nation and Grieg Seafood BC Ltd. together submitted an application to the regulators for an additional salmon farm in the Tlowitsis Nation’s traditional territory of Clio Channel. The partners have been engaged for several years in these discussions to grow existing salmon farming operations in the area and support the Nation's goal of economic self-determination.
To further that same vision the partners also recently entered into a net-washing agreement while supporting Grieg Seafood’s need for local service providers and more workers.
“We have built a solid relationship with Grieg Seafood over more than ten years of many meetings, visiting their farms and travelling to Ottawa, Vancouver and Victoria to speak to regulators about our views of aquaculture,” said Chief John Smith. “Our Guardians are on the water monitoring the farm activities as well as our members employed by Grieg. We have taken a lot of time to learn about the industry and our partner before we decided to become involved more directly and for us, adding more farms in our territory is the clear way forward. Our net-wash service company will also benefit from additional work for our members at a new farm.”
“Like so many other changes to our operations during our 20 years operating in BC, integrating Indigenous businesses into our core operations is a transition that reflects the work we have started doing around reconciliation, and how we create even more opportunity than before, with our First Nations partners,” said Rocky Boschman, Managing Director of Grieg Seafood.
“Chief Smith is a strong advocate for his community and has a first-hand understanding of our salmon farming operations,” added Boschman. “We appreciate his regular advice and input and are committed to meeting his expectations of a respected relationship.”

Chief John Smith
Tlowitsis Nation

Rocky Boschman
Grieg Seafood BC Ltd.

Still an opportunity for the public to comment on the new application.

Applications, Comments & Reasons for Decision

Find, learn about, and comment on active Crown land applications in British Columbia.

comment.nrs.gov.bc.ca

 

[wildmanyeah]

Still an opportunity for the public to comment on the new application.

Applications, Comments & Reasons for Decision

Find, learn about, and comment on active Crown land applications in British Columbia.

comment.nrs.gov.bc.ca

Applicant(s): Tlowitsis Nation

i don't feel comfortable trying to assert my western colonialism opinion, they have the right to self governance.

Not that it matters look at the name of the applicant not greg seafoods is it

its little shocking that we have not hear anything about the from echo bay most famous resident. Given its in her backyard....

 

[terrin]

Statement by the Tlowitsis Nation and Grieg Seafood BC​

STATEMENT BY THE PARTNERS

On June 24, 2021 the Tlowitsis Nation and Grieg Seafood BC Ltd. together submitted an application to the regulators for an additional salmon farm in the Tlowitsis Nation’s traditional territory of Clio Channel. The partners have been engaged for several years in these discussions to grow existing salmon farming operations in the area and support the Nation's goal of economic self-determination.
To further that same vision the partners also recently entered into a net-washing agreement while supporting Grieg Seafood’s need for local service providers and more workers.
“We have built a solid relationship with Grieg Seafood over more than ten years of many meetings, visiting their farms and travelling to Ottawa, Vancouver and Victoria to speak to regulators about our views of aquaculture,” said Chief John Smith. “Our Guardians are on the water monitoring the farm activities as well as our members employed by Grieg. We have taken a lot of time to learn about the industry and our partner before we decided to become involved more directly and for us, adding more farms in our territory is the clear way forward. Our net-wash service company will also benefit from additional work for our members at a new farm.”
“Like so many other changes to our operations during our 20 years operating in BC, integrating Indigenous businesses into our core operations is a transition that reflects the work we have started doing around reconciliation, and how we create even more opportunity than before, with our First Nations partners,” said Rocky Boschman, Managing Director of Grieg Seafood.
“Chief Smith is a strong advocate for his community and has a first-hand understanding of our salmon farming operations,” added Boschman. “We appreciate his regular advice and input and are committed to meeting his expectations of a respected relationship.”

Chief John Smith
Tlowitsis Nation

Rocky Boschman
Grieg Seafood BC Ltd.

One Chief looking at the shiney penny. Not the Hereditary Chief but the one elected under the Indian act to assist the Feds when needed. How are they dealing with PRV and SeaLice? Follow the science and move onto land.

 

[Hardy Guy]

"One Chief looking at the shiney penny. Not the Hereditary Chief but the one elected under the Indian act to assist the Feds when needed. How are they dealing with PRV and SeaLice? Follow the science and move onto land."

Actually I believe he is a Hereditary Chief and was appointed Chief in 1982 under a "modified" system of governance. The Tlowitsis do not hold elections like most of the Bands do, in fact there are several Nations that use a system like that. You should give Chief Smith a call as he is happy to talk about fish farms and their Nations position on it. I'm sure he would value your insight.

 

[agentaqua]

... Actually I believe he is a Hereditary Chief and was appointed Chief in 1982 under a "modified" system of governance. The Tlowitsis do not hold elections like most of the Bands do, in fact there are several Nations that use a system like that. You should give Chief Smith a call as he is happy to talk about fish farms and their Nations position on it. I'm sure he would value your insight.

I think you just proved the point Terrin was making about the confusion and sometimes deliberate confusion sewn by people confusing the heredity and Indian Act governance systems.

Tlowitsis Nation is currently a Indian Act band government of the _awit'sis (Tlowitsis) tribe of the Kwakwaka'wakw peoples and has a Custom Electoral System (i.e. community election code) to govern its' 450+ registered members:

Tlowitsis Tribe | British Columbia Assembly of First Nations

www.bcafn.ca

and is also in Stage 5 of Treaty Negotiations:

Treaty 201 - New and Improved Treaty Process - Tlowitsis Nation

What is a treaty? Treaties are constitutionally protected, government-to-government agreements that identify, define and implement a range of rights and obligations. They create long-term, mutually binding commitments between First Nations and the governments of Canada and BC. Treaties...

www.tlowitsisnation.ca

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/environment/natural-resource-stewardship/consulting-with-first-nations/agreements/tlowitsis_mou.pdf

under s.42 of the federal governments First Nations Elections Act (a recent companion Act to the Indian Act) is where that authority for the community election code is generated:

First Nations Elections Act

Federal laws of Canada

laws.justice.gc.ca

Leadership selection in First Nations

This proposed legislation is part of the Government’s commitment to provide frameworks that support stronger, more stable and effective First Nations governments. It provides a robust election system that individual First Nations can choose to opt in to. The proposed legislation was based on...

www.sac-isc.gc.ca

NOT under any hereditary system.

Chief John Smith may or may not also be a hereditary chief - but that hereditary position is not "elected", if he is. And Hereditary Chiefs are usually bound by their hereditary system that requires them to declare whom (what house or Hawiith) they are speaking on behalf of - unlike some elected Chief Councillors whom don't differentiate how the title "Chief" fits their authority. It seems the latter only to me.

 

[wildmanyeah]

I think you just proved the point Terrin was making about the confusing and sometimes deliberate confusion sewn by people confusing the heredity and Indian Act systems.

Tlowitsis Nation is currently a Indian Act band government of the _awit'sis (Tlowitsis) tribe of the Kwakwaka'wakw peoples and has a Custom Electoral System (i.e. community election code) to govern its' 450+ registered members:

Tlowitsis Tribe | British Columbia Assembly of First Nations

www.bcafn.ca

and is also in Stage 5 of Treaty Negotiations:

Treaty 201 - New and Improved Treaty Process - Tlowitsis Nation

What is a treaty? Treaties are constitutionally protected, government-to-government agreements that identify, define and implement a range of rights and obligations. They create long-term, mutually binding commitments between First Nations and the governments of Canada and BC. Treaties...

www.tlowitsisnation.ca

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/environment/natural-resource-stewardship/consulting-with-first-nations/agreements/tlowitsis_mou.pdf

under s.42 of the federal governments First Nations Elections Act (a recent companion Act to the Indian Act) is where that authority for the community election code is generated:

First Nations Elections Act

Federal laws of Canada

laws.justice.gc.ca

Leadership selection in First Nations

This proposed legislation is part of the Government’s commitment to provide frameworks that support stronger, more stable and effective First Nations governments. It provides a robust election system that individual First Nations can choose to opt in to. The proposed legislation was based on...

www.sac-isc.gc.ca

NOT under any hereditary system.

Chief John Smith may or may not also be a hereditary chief - but that hereditary position is not "elected", if he is. And Hereditary Chiefs are usually bound by their hereditary system that requires them to declare whom (what house or Hawiith) they are speaking on behalf of - unlike some elected Chief Councillors whom don't differentiate how the title "Chief" fits their authority. It seems the latter only to me.

tou do support then tho correct and their application

 

[agentaqua]

tou do support then tho correct and their application

I think that question brings us full circle to the discussion we had previously on page 89:

Aquaculture improving?..The Fish Farm Thread

Yes, there are a lot of things governments have screwed up on, but that doesn't mean those thing should not be made right and not done again! AND there is a big difference between introducing Atlantics to the wild and farming them in net pens. Would you not agree? You asked a question, i...

www.sportfishingbc.com

and just look @ the proposed location, as well:

 

[agentaqua]

But since salmon only swim 1.0km - as far as DFO is concerned - all is well:

I mean it's not like DFO has any other information that they can use to mitigate risk or anything:
https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/359853.pdf (see Figs 18 & 19, & 21 pgs 32, 35 & 38)
https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/40712679.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321978015_Canadian_Science_Advisory_Secretariat_CSAS_Assessment_of_the_risk_to_Fraser_River_Sockeye_Salmon_due_to_Infectious_Hematopoietic_Necrosis_Virus_IHNV_transfer_from_Atlantic_Salmon_farms_in_the_Discover

https://phys.org/news/2018-03-ocean-currents-disease-farmed-salmon.html#jCp

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[wildmanyeah]

But since salmon only swim 1.0km - as far as DFO is concerned - all is well:View attachment 69206

I mean it's not like DFO has any other information that they can use to mitigate risk or anything:
https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/359853.pdf (see Figs 18 & 19, & 21 pgs 32, 35 & 38)
https://waves-vagues.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/40712679.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321978015_Canadian_Science_Advisory_Secretariat_CSAS_Assessment_of_the_risk_to_Fraser_River_Sockeye_Salmon_due_to_Infectious_Hematopoietic_Necrosis_Virus_IHNV_transfer_from_Atlantic_Salmon_farms_in_the_Discover

https://phys.org/news/2018-03-ocean-currents-disease-farmed-salmon.html#jCp

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https://phys.org/news/2013-10-surface-key-factor-transmission-pancreas.html#nRlv

Are you implying that the goverment needs to regulate First Nations?

 

[agentaqua]

and Greig insures it's fish - ISAv or PRv positive or not - so no worries, neither:

430 tonnes of salmon lost in chlorine leak: “This is very sad”

Grieg Seafood has engaged Akvaplan Niva to conduct an independent investigation into the environmental impact of the leak into the fjord at the Simanes slaughterhouse. Earlier today, it was announced that an incident had occurred at Grieg Seafood Finnmark's slaughterhouse at Simanes in Alta...

salmonbusiness.com

 

[agentaqua]

Are you implying that the goverment needs to regulate First Nations?

DFO needs to regulate itself and clear itself from the conflicts of interest and collusion, and instead stick to its primary legislated job protecting wild fish including identifying and mitigating risk rather than promoting the open net-pen industry by giving them a free pass on their lack of environmental assessments.

 

[cuttlefish]

Well I felt comfortable sending in my comment. I think the application should be on hold until after the transition plan is in place. Otherwise there will be no improvement.
interesting to note in the application, the agent/representative for the Tlowitsis is Bernie Taekema. He used to work for DFO Aquaculture Management Branch in Nanaimo not too long ago. Pretty cozy…

 

[agentaqua]

Well I felt comfortable sending in my comment. I think the application should be on hold until after the transition plan is in place. Otherwise there will be no improvement.
interesting to note in the application, the agent/representative for the Tlowitsis is Bernie Taekema. He used to work for DFO Aquaculture Management Branch in Nanaimo not too long ago. Pretty cozy…

 

[agentaqua]

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[SpringFever552]

Are you implying that the goverment needs to regulate First Nations?

DFO needs to regulate itself and clear itself from the conflicts of interest and collusion, and instead stick to its primary legislated job protecting wild fish including identifying and mitigating risk rather than promoting the open net-pen industry by giving them a free pass on their lack of environmental assessments.

Opinion: The Trudeau government can no longer ‘freeze out’ pro-development First Nations

Canada can be a very unfriendly place for Indigenous leaders looking to create jobs and own source revenues

nationalpost.com

 

[Dave]

agent, you're confusing your fans who thought you were in favor of FN situating salmon farms in areas where they were wanted by FN. Have you changed your opinion?

 

[agentaqua]

DFO plan to phase out fish farms still missing as 109 licences set to expire

Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) stakeholder report on fish farms comes as advocates renew calls for phase-out, restoration of wild salmon stocks

thenarwhal.ca

 

[agentaqua]

Sea Lice in Nootka Sound.mp4

drive.google.com

 

[terrin]

Sea Lice in Nootka Sound.mp4

drive.google.com

Everyone that does not believe Fish Farms are wiping out our Wild Salmon needs to watch this little clip.
it’s disgusting that the DFO and the Federal Government allows the open net cage slaughter of Wild Smolts to continue.