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Ah, no.

Even if he is wrong, which I have trouble in making that judgment, it's trite to say that two wrongs do not make you right.

You are good when sticking to facts, but that is a big logic fail.

The provinces punched above their weight globally, when they received the vaccines to distribute. If Canada did not go down the sole source China vaccine road early, we could have avoided the third wave. That is the wave that swept through my office and family, while they all followed all safety precautions. I will continue to criticize JT and his government.
 
But...they did make huge early blunders.

Running the wrong direction for the first three miles of a marathon doesn't mean you'll never finish. It just means you're terrible at running a marathon. And finishing ahead of someone who stops running halfway through doesn't erase your early mistakes, it just means that even if you made huge mistakes early on, eventually, you could cross the finish line too.
This is the end of my sales pitch. Anybody can build a house, eventually.
 
The provinces punched above their weight globally, when they received the vaccines to distribute. If Canada did not go down the sole source China vaccine road early, we could have avoided the third wave. That is the wave that swept through my office and family, while they all followed all safety precautions. I will continue to criticize JT and his government.
Sinovax is a beat up fed to the gullible to keep the haters hating. It was just one of many in development that Ottawa looked at. If it was the horrible time wasting dead end that the stories make out, how did they still manage to sign contracts for the mainline vaccines a couple of weeks before the US and UK?

Government at provincial and federal level both worked hard on this. The feds picked the right products and got them under contract, and the provinces made their plans while waiting for supply to come through. In January and February, Moderna and Pfizer both reneged to varying degrees on their Canadian commitments, citing various production issues. It seemed like we would never reach the end of September goal of all who wanted vaccine with two shots, but now we're likely to get there ahead of time.

I'm not a raging JT fan by any means - I agree with you about his gesture politics and greasy influence peddling - but my hat is off to the hard work done by the nameless public service people in the federal and provincial health ministries. In BC, one of the key reasons Dr Henry is so effective is the team behind her that sifts and interprets the huge swaths of pandemic data coming in from around the world. She and Minister Dix are always superbly briefed before they face the cameras, and that doesn't happen by accident. The hours that their team has worked in the past 18 months must be just mind boggling. Not too many lazy bloated bureaucrats there.

I'm probably coming across as a ranter. I'm not a union guy or a government worker, but rather a small business owner. But I can see how well the public health sector has done on this file, yet almost no one has noticed.
 
Ah, no.

Even if he is wrong, which I have trouble in making that judgment, it's trite to say that two wrongs do not make you right.

You are good when sticking to facts, but that is a big logic fail.

The provinces punched above their weight globally, when they received the vaccines to distribute. If Canada did not go down the sole source China vaccine road early, we could have avoided the third wave. That is the wave that swept through my office and family, while they all followed all safety precautions. I will continue to criticize JT and his government.
We are going to have to agree to disagree.
Truly sorry that covid found your office and family, I hope everyone recovered.
 
Attempting to shut down legitimate debate over one person's reasons for taking a bit of a wait and see approach to a new vaccine is what I was calling out. We should be able to continue debating the facts and issues without trying to shut down reasoned positions.

The feds, yes I give them credit for going on a vaccine buying spree with taxpayer money. I do not think it was a very difficult task, but we will never know, since our government does not trust us with information. The government is currently in court trying to shut down the Speaker of the House ( who is a Liberal ) from trying to get information on the Winnipeg scientists, their dealings with China and their subsequent firing. The feds pulled off a win despite the government.

The provinces had to marshal thousands of health care workers, pulling some out of retirement, organize space for a massive vaccination drive. That is impressive.
I am not an NDP supporter, but I was very impressed that Horrigan kept out of the limelight and let Dix and Dr. Henry take the lead. He also made some big blunders in what he said, but he came back out and owned his comments. That showed leadership. Something sorely lacking at the federal level, by any politician/political party.

@GLG Thank you for your kind words for my family and staff, we are all back at it with seemingly no long term issues.
 
we must be getting pretty close to having more vaccines then demand as guys at work who got their first dose a few weeks after me got called in for their second dose days after me.
 
we must be getting pretty close to having more vaccines then demand as guys at work who got their first dose a few weeks after me got called in for their second dose days after me.
My second dose was a couple days outside of the 8 week window. No side effects other than a sore arm and a clear conscience that I’ve done my part to prevent the spread to any who may be health compromised.
 
My second dose was a couple days outside of the 8 week window. No side effects other than a sore arm and a clear conscience that I’ve done my part to prevent the spread to any who may be health compromised.

A few more days and ill be at Covid freedom day. 2 weeks post second dose. the lump on my armpit went away after two days.
 
Sorry, sometimes I don't check this thread for a while.

Honestly, I don't disagree that we pulled it together on vaccines and landed in the top ten or so of somewhat comparable nations, which I think is definitely great and ultimately, the fact that people stepped up and made it happen is pretty impressive. I've always thought, and said, that I think really highly of Bonnie Henry and I think she and this province really slugged it out, and to me this looks like success at the ground game level, following failures at a leadership level.

The fact that we threw money at a country that we should literally view as an enemy is dumb, and that's not pandering to whatever, Canadian FOX viewers, that was seriously stupid and it did delay things, and it made everything cost more, which is a metric I don't see anyone looking at. It would be interesting to see our cost per capita on vaccinations; you throw enough money at a late purchase you might still get it on time, but that doesn't mean there was no cost associated with the initial mistakes.

In fact it's easy to show that there were early failures:

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That's a LONG delay to get rolling. How many people died in that phase when we couldn't start on the most vulnerable people? I don't know, I haven't checked into it. But I'd guess quite a few.

So yes, I'm really impressed with the ability of our people to make this happen. I fully congratulate our health care workers and everyone working on the administrative and logistics side of this who have really done the near-impossible, and although I haven't really been following the actions of the other provinces I think BC really came through in a pretty spectacular way and again as someone who's always really thought highly of Bonnie Henry I think we can be particularly happy about the fact that we managed to keep our mortality rate really low, without ever enacting really strict lockdowns or some of the stuff other provinces had to endure. I don't know if anyone can truly say that the performance of this province is purely the result of stuff we did, rather than stuff we can't control like the weather and the amount of time people can spend outside, but personally I find it hard not to look at BC's numbers and say boy, relative to almost anywhere else I think it's hard not to say that Dr. Henry's approach was really bang-on. I have always said I think she's walking a tough tightrope between difficult alternatives and while variants are coming and who knows what the future brings, I just can't avoid saying that I think her approach to this has just been extremely successful and we should all feel lucky to have had that direction.

But what do I have to say about the federal involvement?

They insisted closing the borders was racist and wouldn't help. They lagged on procurement - not on making agreements but the timeline is totally clear, they were really slow to actually put shots in arms. They sucked up to China and sent supplies we needed overseas. I don't fault them for some things; there was stuff like the masks that had expired but you know, I genuinely don't blame them for letting inventory run out when chances are, everyone would have done that. I don't fault them for spending a ton of money on respirators that ultimately didn't help because at that moment, it looked like they would be necessary. I have never faulted the federal government for doing anything that I personally thought was reasonable at the time, and only looks bad in hindsight. I hate Trudeau and everything he stands for but I don't blame him for everything that goes wrong; some stuff you're going to get wrong no matter who you are.

I just refuse to let the guy skate on the mistakes he made which were obviously terrible decisions in that moment, and I hate the fact that he has such blanket support from the media in this country that all that stuff just gets tossed off as a non-problem. Would a different prime minister have done better? Nobody knows. I think potentially, yes. But for sure they would have been held to a MUCH higher standard, and that is the reason for much of my criticism of the way this crisis has been handled.
 
Perhaps the biggest failure was years back. Canada once had the capability to make our own vaccines but let it go so that when we really needed it, we did not have it. The current govt. has now realized that was a mistake and is in the process of restoring that capability, but I understand it will take a few years to have it fully up and running.
 
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Alberta announced today that all measures are basically done August 16th. To paraphrase, basically it’s endemic now, there’s enough vaccines for everyone so if you haven’t taken it and get sick, that’s on you.
I’ll say that I don’t really care whether you’re vaxxed or not, that’s an individuals choice. But if you’re not (and are basing your decision on a YouTube video or Facebook post), and get really sick, you can look for sympathy between **** and syphillis in the dictionary.
 
Alberta announced today that all measures are basically done August 16th. To paraphrase, basically it’s endemic now, there’s enough vaccines for everyone so if you haven’t taken it and get sick, that’s on you.
I’ll say that I don’t really care whether you’re vaxxed or not, that’s an individuals choice. But if you’re not (and are basing your decision on a YouTube video or Facebook post), and get really sick, you can look for sympathy between **** and syphillis in the dictionary.
What a blow to “ unvaxxed “ people ! I’m sure they will reconsider their decision when they’ll learn that they are in danger of losing your sympathy !!
 
So the unvaxxed Albertans under age 12 are good to go or is it "on them" when they get the delta?
Central Okanagan is going backwards to more restrictions.
 
So the unvaxxed Albertans under age 12 are good to go or is it "on them" when they get the delta?
Central Okanagan is going backwards to more restrictions.
Everyone is going to get the Delta, just a matter of time. Covid Zero is impossible to attain. Fortunately for kids, they really aren’t affected to the same severity as older adults or seniors. It really is a bad cold for the vast majority of them. Frankly, if everyone is worried about the kids, the best thing they could do is get vaccinated to help prevent the spread or at least reduce viral load if there is a spread
 
Perhaps the biggest failure was years back. Canada once had the capability to make our own vaccines but let it go so that when we really needed it, we did not have it. The current govt. has now realized that was a mistake and is in the process of restoring this capability, but I understand it will take a few years to have it fully up and running.
Yeah, nah. Australia still has its Commonwealth Serum Laboratories, so the feds there opted to license the rights to a vaccine and produce it at home, plus purchase of small quantities of a second vaccine for those with allergy or other problems with the main vaccine.

Only one problem: they chose to make Astra Zeneca. The media blew up the clotting issues and so no one wants it. The Pfizer they bought isn't enough to go around so they're floundering with lockdowns still.
 
Alberta announced today that all measures are basically done August 16th. To paraphrase, basically it’s endemic now, there’s enough vaccines for everyone so if you haven’t taken it and get sick, that’s on you.
I’ll say that I don’t really care whether you’re vaxxed or not, that’s an individuals choice. But if you’re not (and are basing your decision on a YouTube video or Facebook post), and get really sick, you can look for sympathy between **** and syphillis in the dictionary.
Individuals choice...I get that and appreciate that. Problem I have with the individual and their choice, is they will certainly expect full treatment in ER if/when they get it and ended up there. That in turn bogs down the system and takes elective surgeries off the table, thus screwing us that have done our civic duty to protect ourselves. Bet they have zero consideration for that! Now if they signed off saying they accept no medical treatment in the event of, though...great, be selfish all you want!

Interestingly enough, the good folk in 'covid does not exist' Florida are now seeing hospitalization rates triple the pace of the worst wave they have had 2000-8000 in a month, nearing all time high, and well, its friggin summer! What's winter going to look like?
 
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