All Things COVID-19

[wildmanyeah]

Maybe, maybe not,

the majority of people won’t have access to the vaccine for awhile and when the majority have access to the vaccine there won’t be a need for that type of regulation.

if the regulators go all in with a vaccine passport then they better have enough vaccine at that time for everyone that wants one.

 

[SpringFever552]

Mic drop! You can be assured that there will be some restrictions on your ability to travel, at the very least without proof of inoculation to prove that those that choose not to get the vaccine as being a potential covid carrier

Soo with your conclusions, if you get a vaccine why would you have to worry about some others not having it,, you will be safe as can be! Sarcasm intended

Just because you get a vaccine, doesnt mean you cant transmit it,

 

[staying alive]

Don’t know fella‘s , a DNA altering vaccine, never been done before , good on the Donald for pushing it through and getting it done , but I kinda like my DNA the way it is .
Count me as sceptical I will wait and see , If I see more Zombies than usual at Walmart I’ll know somethings up

 

[Rain City]

Don’t know fella‘s , a DNA altering vaccine, never been done before , good on the Donald for pushing it through and getting it done , but I kinda like my DNA the way it is .
Count me as sceptical I will wait and see , If I see more Zombies than usual at Walmart I’ll know somethings up

Walmart customers are already 98.5% Zombie. The rest are broke.

 

[sly_karma]

Don’t know fella‘s , a DNA altering vaccine, never been done before , good on the Donald for pushing it through and getting it done , but I kinda like my DNA the way it is .
Count me as sceptical I will wait and see , If I see more Zombies than usual at Walmart I’ll know somethings up

Your DNA isn't altered by the vaccine. You've got a while before it will be offered to you, how about doing some reading about how m-RNA vaccines work. Here is a link to the bedrock source in BC.

Vaccines Available in B.C.

Learn about the vaccines being used in B.C. and how they work.

www.bccdc.ca

Your taxes pay for CDC and the data they collect, so you may as well get your information from the source.

 

[Thunder21]

No vaccine for me. I’m not anti vax or anti mask. I have been following the rules as best as possible but I do not believe when looking at the numbers we should be locked down at all. Care homes and hospitals should be very careful with this virus but the general population below 60 doesn’t have a whole lot to worry about in my opinion. This may be a unpopular opinion but it seems all we are doing at this point is saving old, generally unhealthy people and trading those deaths for younger people by way of suicide, substance abuse, overdoses and physical abuse etc. Not to mention the rough path ahead for many people who have lost businesses and will lose their wives, kids, houses etc. The fallout from these lockdowns hasn’t hit yet and when it’s all said and done I bet the numbers will show that these shutdowns were a very bad call.

 

[gone fishin]

No vaccine for me. I’m not anti vax or anti mask. I have been following the rules as best as possible but I do not believe when looking at the numbers we should be locked down at all. Care homes and hospitals should be very careful with this virus but the general population below 60 doesn’t have a whole lot to worry about in my opinion. This may be a unpopular opinion but it seems all we are doing at this point is saving old, generally unhealthy people and trading those deaths for younger people by way of suicide, substance abuse, overdoses and physical abuse etc. Not to mention the rough path ahead for many people who have lost businesses and will lose their wives, kids, houses etc. The fallout from these lockdowns hasn’t hit yet and when it’s all said and done I bet the numbers will show that these shutdowns were a very bad call.

Congressman-elect Luke Letlow 41 years of age dies after battling Covid-19
Updated 11:23 PM ET, Tue December 29, 2020
Luke Letlow: Congressman-elect dies after battling Covid-19 - CNNPolitics
Could give you hundreds more examples of why you are just plain wrong!

 

[Whole in the Water]

Govt's backed by a large consensus of the global medical and scientific are having the lock downs and restrictions to reduce the spread of the virus to the other segments of the population. True it is mostly old and immune compromised now that get it - but it can spread the the rest of the population if we are not careful to keep the overall number of infections down.

Viruses also mutate, COVID -19 already has. The more people get the virus the more it can mutate - then what happens ???

They also have the restrictions to flatten the curve (still as important as ever) so we don't overrun our hospitals and many more die of other causes. The restrictions are done for reducing the spread of the disease (not for BS conspiracy reasons) - it is as straightforward as that - why can't folks get it!!!

 

[Thunder21]

Congressman-elect Luke Letlow 41 years of age dies after battling Covid-19
Updated 11:23 PM ET, Tue December 29, 2020
Luke Letlow: Congressman-elect dies after battling Covid-19 - CNNPolitics
Could give you hundreds more examples of why you

Congressman-elect Luke Letlow 41 years of age dies after battling Covid-19
Updated 11:23 PM ET, Tue December 29, 2020
Luke Letlow: Congressman-elect dies after battling Covid-19 - CNNPolitics
Could give you hundreds more examples of why you are just plain wrong!

Yes there is the odd young person that has died from covid. Not very many . Most had other issues as well. I’m not saying it isn’t real or isn’t something to pay attention too. I believe care homes , hospitals and people with health issues should take it very serious. I just don’t believe everyone should all be in hiding , stressed about this virus. The numbers I have seen show that it’s not a huge concern for healthy people under the age of 60. Under 45 in particular is an extremely low percentage of total deaths.

 

[Aces]

Congressman-elect Luke Letlow 41 years of age dies after battling Covid-19
Updated 11:23 PM ET, Tue December 29, 2020
Luke Letlow: Congressman-elect dies after battling Covid-19 - CNNPolitics
Could give you hundreds more examples of why you are just plain wrong!

The widow of my 41 year old friend who was a triathlete would agree with you

 

[Aces]

Soo with your conclusions, if you get a vaccine why would you have to worry about some others not having it,, you will be safe as can be! Sarcasm intended

Just because you get a vaccine, doesnt mean you cant transmit it,

Agreed but from the information I’ve read it’s the start of the chain reaction of slowing this virus down so we can maybe get back to a somewhat normal life

 

[Ringo]

Yes there is the odd young person that has died from covid. Not very many . Most had other issues as well. I’m not saying it isn’t real or isn’t something to pay attention too. I believe care homes , hospitals and people with health issues should take it very serious. I just don’t believe everyone should all be in hiding , stressed about this virus. The numbers I have seen show that it’s not a huge concern for healthy people under the age of 60. Under 45 in particular is an extremely low percentage of total deaths.

Can you elaborate; When you say hospitals should be “very serious” what does that exactly mean? Hospitals have limited number of ICU beds and are dealing with extreme resourcing issues. If the number of Covid patients go higher, like it’s been for the past few weeks, patients with other serious health issues like the cancer patients will be affected. How do you suggest the healthcare system should be dealing with this? Let the elderly COVID patients die on the sidewalk??

 

[SerengetiGuide]

No vaccine for me. I’m not anti vax or anti mask. I have been following the rules as best as possible but I do not believe when looking at the numbers we should be locked down at all. Care homes and hospitals should be very careful with this virus but the general population below 60 doesn’t have a whole lot to worry about in my opinion. This may be a unpopular opinion but it seems all we are doing at this point is saving old, generally unhealthy people and trading those deaths for younger people by way of suicide, substance abuse, overdoses and physical abuse etc. Not to mention the rough path ahead for many people who have lost businesses and will lose their wives, kids, houses etc. The fallout from these lockdowns hasn’t hit yet and when it’s all said and done I bet the numbers will show that these shutdowns were a very bad call.

Fair post 100%

 

[SerengetiGuide]

Can you elaborate; When you say hospitals should be “very serious” what does that exactly mean? Hospitals have limited number of ICU beds and are dealing with extreme resourcing issues. If the number of Covid patients go higher, like it’s been for the past few weeks, patients with other serious health issues like the cancer patients will be affected. How do you suggest the healthcare system should be dealing with this? Let the elderly COVID patients die on the sidewalk??

ICU beds are only at 50-65% capacity in the last few weeks.

 

[Stizzla]

No vaccine for me. I’m not anti vax or anti mask. I have been following the rules as best as possible but I do not believe when looking at the numbers we should be locked down at all. Care homes and hospitals should be very careful with this virus but the general population below 60 doesn’t have a whole lot to worry about in my opinion. This may be a unpopular opinion but it seems all we are doing at this point is saving old, generally unhealthy people and trading those deaths for younger people by way of suicide, substance abuse, overdoses and physical abuse etc. Not to mention the rough path ahead for many people who have lost businesses and will lose their wives, kids, houses etc. The fallout from these lockdowns hasn’t hit yet and when it’s all said and done I bet the numbers will show that these shutdowns were a very bad call.

Take away the “lockdown” and see what happens to the numbers. On the island we were getting 0-3 new cases per day for months when it was strict. Then things relaxed and we we went from 50 up to 200 cases in a week. Then they made it more strict again and it dropped back down to 50 in a week again. It does spread quickly if we aren’t careful.
Not much of a lockdown when you can still go Boxing Day shopping at the mall.

yeah, so I missed Xmas dinner with the in-laws but I’m actually considering that a bonus.

 

[cracked_ribs]

To my way of thinking there's also a big question that's mostly getting overlooked: not "should we have lockdowns" but "what, specifically, should lockdowns look like?"

So far nobody I directly know has been seriously affected by Covid (which is just chance, I'm not saying nobody gets sick or dies from it - in fact if you get into friends of friends I had a couple of those die back in the spring) but I know two people who can't get treatment for very serious illnesses because of precautionary closures in medical departments.

So to me the debate shouldn't really be "do lockdowns save lives?" but "what specific closures do the most to slow the spread while killing the fewest people?"

But like everything else these days, it's been turned into a litmus test of "do you support XYZ? YES OR NO YOU MONSTER" when in reality it's a super complicated question. I support some measures and I oppose others. I would much rather see people rationally discussing the specifics of how to move forward than just sorting themselves into two teams on yet another issue and shrieking about how you either need to "support the science!!!" or "stop living in fear!!!"

I mean it's a strange illness...the case fatality rate seems to be around 1%, although that's different than the infection fatality rate: the CFR only includes people who become symptomatic and nobody is sure yet if that's half the total infections, or fewer...I don't think I'm seeing estimates that it's more than half but maybe. But it's unusual to see something where, say, half the people get it and nothing happens at all, like there's no way to know without testing that they've had it. But then some fraction get it and get extremely sick and sometimes die. That's just odd and I don't blame people for having mixed reactions. Lots of people I know in the states have stories about someone at work getting sick, and then everyone in the office getting tested and discovering half of them have it, the guy who's sick wasn't the first person to get it but the last. But that doesn't mean it's not dangerous; it just means that people's personal experience with it can vary wildly. So how can you blame people for having different ideas about what should be done?

Rather than focusing on team membership I think people need to be accepting that there are lot of different potential experiences here and consequently of course there will be lots of different opinions about how to proceed and talking about what to do without calling each other sheep or murderers. It's not an either-or situation here.

 

[CBsqrd]

Good thing we eradicated smallpox 45 years ago instead of today. Can you imagine the uproar and pushback from anti-vaxxers?? "But it's a live virus!", "There's side effects!", "It mostly kills the people with compromised immune systems!", "Everyone else can get it, but not me and I'll still be safe", "I don't want a scar on my arm!!", etc.

 

[wildmanyeah]

Good thing we eradicated smallpox 45 years ago instead of today. Can you imagine the uproar and pushback from anti-vaxxers?? "Buts its a live virus!", "There's side effects!", "It mostly kills the people with compromised immune systems!", "Everyone else can get it, but not me and I'll still be safe", "I don't want a scar on my arm!!", etc.

have you looked into what they did to eradicate it?

 

[ILHG]

To my way of thinking there's also a big question that's mostly getting overlooked: not "should we have lockdowns" but "what, specifically, should lockdowns look like?"

So far nobody I directly know has been seriously affected by Covid (which is just chance, I'm not saying nobody gets sick or dies from it - in fact if you get into friends of friends I had a couple of those die back in the spring) but I know two people who can't get treatment for very serious illnesses because of precautionary closures in medical departments.

So to me the debate shouldn't really be "do lockdowns save lives?" but "what specific closures do the most to slow the spread while killing the fewest people?"

But like everything else these days, it's been turned into a litmus test of "do you support XYZ? YES OR NO YOU MONSTER" when in reality it's a super complicated question. I support some measures and I oppose others. I would much rather see people rationally discussing the specifics of how to move forward than just sorting themselves into two teams on yet another issue and shrieking about how you either need to "support the science!!!" or "stop living in fear!!!"

I mean it's a strange illness...the case fatality rate seems to be around 1%, although that's different than the infection fatality rate: the CFR only includes people who become symptomatic and nobody is sure yet if that's half the total infections, or fewer...I don't think I'm seeing estimates that it's more than half but maybe. But it's unusual to see something where, say, half the people get it and nothing happens at all, like there's no way to know without testing that they've had it. But then some fraction get it and get extremely sick and sometimes die. That's just odd and I don't blame people for having mixed reactions. Lots of people I know in the states have stories about someone at work getting sick, and then everyone in the office getting tested and discovering half of them have it, the guy who's sick wasn't the first person to get it but the last. But that doesn't mean it's not dangerous; it just means that people's personal experience with it can vary wildly. So how can you blame people for having different ideas about what should be done?

Rather than focusing on team membership I think people need to be accepting that there are lot of different potential experiences here and consequently of course there will be lots of different opinions about how to proceed and talking about what to do without calling each other sheep or murderers. It's not an either-or situation here.

This is a great post. I couldn't agree more.

 

[CBsqrd]

have you looked into what they did to eradicate it?

Yes, know the history pretty well, from Edward Jenner to the last natural case (of Variola major) in Bangladesh in 1975. Studied it in my Biochem/Microbiology undergrad; my wife wrote her Master's thesis and did lab work on Poxviruses, specifically Monkeypox, and now works at Pfizer in the regulatory group (one of her team members wrote the emergency use authorization for the vaccine for the FDA).

For a number of reasons it will be much harder to eradicate a coronavirus through vaccination than a poxvirus. Completely different biology between the two, not to mention the political / social reasons (radical religious groups, anti-vaxxers, etc.) that would have to be overcome. The eradication of smallpox was probably the greatest public health accomplishment of the 20th century - all for an estimated cost of US$300 million. However, about 1 in 1,000 had severe reactions after being inoculated with an estimated 1 to 2 out of every million having a fatal reaction. That may seem high, but was an acceptable risk given that it was lethal in about 30% of cases and those who survived typically had debilitating scarring.

Personally, I think it is more likely that we'll have to get regular (annual, or every several years), vaccinations for COVID as the virus mutates over time. Also still unclear how long the immunity provided by the vaccine will last and it would be reasonable to assume that booster shots will be needed over time. Unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle so to speak, so it will be impossible to stop its transmission now and eradicate it. Happy to be proved wrong though!