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"Not every death is a catastrophe." With these words Swiss member of parliament Ruth Humbel ignited a debate that had been smouldering in Switzerland ever since the Covid-19 pandemic began back in March.
 
 
My math tells me we could do 50 - 60 thousand by the end of the month here in BC. What numbers are you getting?

I agree with you. I think the federal government has "under promised, over deliver" this month and Q1 actually. With the Moderna Vaccine approval days away things will start to happen fast.
 
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It’s going to be interesting to look at some of these numbers once this is over with. I’ve been doing some research on this the last while and have got some numbers. Alberta’s death rate has increased on average 963 deaths per year over the last 10 years. Using the numbers they are giving us in COVID deaths Alberta‘s death rate should increase by roughly 1600 + deaths this year, we will see.
 
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December 18, 2020 4:11 PM

“Yesterday, 1,376 doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine were given to B.C. front-line health-care workers, for a total of 2,592 doses to date.

“The focus of our immunization program right now is to safely protect as many people as possible as efficiently as we can, but we have to remember that this is a global effort with many aspects often changing. As more vaccine arrives in the coming weeks, we all need to be patient and continue to follow public health orders to keep our communities safe."

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2020HLTH0068-002116
 
Canada joined several European nations in halting flights from the U.K. on Sunday in an effort to prevent a new, more contagious strain of the coronavirus from spreading to this country.

CBC News obtained a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) issued by the Minister of Transport stating that inbound flights transporting passengers from the U.K. will be suspended indefinitely as of midnight tonight. The restriction doesn't apply to cargo flights, aircraft landing for safety reasons or flights that land for technical stops where no passengers disembark.

The decision followed an afternoon meeting of the Incident Response Group (IRG), a group of cabinet members and senior government officials.

More here:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-flights-uk-coronavirus-1.5849598?__vfz=medium=sharebar
 
One should note that the research she, an Australian, is referring to took place in Bavaria and was published on-line on Oct. 29 of this year. Given the time it takes to evaluate and disseminate new information through the system, it's a bit rich for her to be complaining about a statement made by a politician half way around the world just several weeks after the release of what appears to be the first research to develop this conclusion and it's a bit rich to be blaming Horgan for disseminating what apparently was considered the best information at the time when she was still working at the end of November to promote the conclusions. Also, more than a bit political to present the information in this manner.
 
Attached are the COVID stats from GOC as of December 18th.

Quick summary

Deaths under 60 - 485
# of Cases under 60 - 339,479

Deaths over 60 - 13,094
# of cases over 60 - 97,153
 

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BC cases have leveled off and settled at about 650 a day; we are far from perfect but we are also far from locked down. Masking and the metro Vancouver restrictions have worked and once again we have outperformed all provinces but the maritimes. Unfortunately we will have to go through another round of restrictions in mid January as people's bad decisions around Christmas and the associated holidays bear their unpleasant fruit. Each renewed appeal wears down the community's patience and unity, and each time more people decide they now know more than the experts.


Attached are the COVID stats from GOC as of December 18th.

Quick summary

Deaths under 60 - 485
# of Cases under 60 - 339,479

Deaths over 60 - 13,094
# of cases over 60 - 97,153

Easy to conclude that the virus only really bites the aged population, people who are in their declining years anyway and would have died of something else if not covid (people point at influenza and pneumonia). According to the numbers posted, only a very tiny proportion of under 60 people experience symptoms sufficiently severe to kill them. If we take another step in the same direction and say, "Just let the virus run its course and we'll get on with life in the meantime," will the result be acceptable? The answer doesn't require a debate about the morality of letting seniors die, because the deaths in the below 60 age group will skyrocket if we let the virus run unchecked. If we release all restrictions, our economy will suffer more than it does now because of the widespread illness - not enough people to work because so many are at home sick. Deaths per capita will greatly exceed our current rate because the hospitals can't handle the press of numbers and people who could have been treated successfully won't all be able to access care.

Those numbers show cases of covid in the under 60 bracket is 1% of the population of Canada. Extrapolate then if the entire country got the virus and yet we somehow kept the death rate the same: that would be 48,500 working age people (and some children) dead. But of course the per capita numbers would double or triple due to medical system overload - don't forget doctors and nurses are mostly under 60 as well. Does it make sense to put us on a track where 100,000 or 150,000 young and ostensibly healthy people would die?

The aim of the restrictions isn't to stamp out the virus altogether; that is an unattainable goal. The aim is simply to spread the peak out so we don't all get the bug at about the same time and the health system remains able to treat all who need it. This is very much a numbers game; anyone working in epidemiology has a very close understanding of statistics and the law of large numbers.
 
I thought lower mainland went on travel and assembly restrictions back in late Nov? Rest of province followed 10 or so days later.
 
BC cases have leveled off and settled at about 650 a day; we are far from perfect but we are also far from locked down. Masking and the metro Vancouver restrictions have worked and once again we have outperformed all provinces but the maritimes. Unfortunately we will have to go through another round of restrictions in mid January as people's bad decisions around Christmas and the associated holidays bear their unpleasant fruit. Each renewed appeal wears down the community's patience and unity, and each time more people decide they now know more than the experts.




Easy to conclude that the virus only really bites the aged population, people who are in their declining years anyway and would have died of something else if not covid (people point at influenza and pneumonia). According to the numbers posted, only a very tiny proportion of under 60 people experience symptoms sufficiently severe to kill them. If we take another step in the same direction and say, "Just let the virus run its course and we'll get on with life in the meantime," will the result be acceptable? The answer doesn't require a debate about the morality of letting seniors die, because the deaths in the below 60 age group will skyrocket if we let the virus run unchecked. If we release all restrictions, our economy will suffer more than it does now because of the widespread illness - not enough people to work because so many are at home sick. Deaths per capita will greatly exceed our current rate because the hospitals can't handle the press of numbers and people who could have been treated successfully won't all be able to access care.

Those numbers show cases of covid in the under 60 bracket is 1% of the population of Canada. Extrapolate then if the entire country got the virus and yet we somehow kept the death rate the same: that would be 48,500 working age people (and some children) dead. But of course the per capita numbers would double or triple due to medical system overload - don't forget doctors and nurses are mostly under 60 as well. Does it make sense to put us on a track where 100,000 or 150,000 young and ostensibly healthy people would die?

The aim of the restrictions isn't to stamp out the virus altogether; that is an unattainable goal. The aim is simply to spread the peak out so we don't all get the bug at about the same time and the health system remains able to treat all who need it. This is very much a numbers game; anyone working in epidemiology has a very close understanding of statistics and the law of large numbers.
Yes very well said. I maybe came off a little leaning one way with those stats, which I didn't really mean........ you just never hear them, I'm an information guy. I just have moments of frustration and sympathy for all the businesses being affected and sometimes think there might be a better way to manage it. But......in the same breath, I don't have any solutions to offer.
 
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