Slot Limit Extended for Areas 19 & 20!!

If the regs stay the same for the derby which i don't think they will i'm sure it will be largest hatch fish and no wilds over the slot to be wieghed in then there could be no cheating.

I'm off to renfrew after this set of tides but this is crazy how are guys like pro fisher suposed to make a living down here if they don't know whats coming,or what about the poor guy working his butt off all year has holidays planned flights booked hotels booked and guides booked.I was at the meeting when Chris begged them to do what they have to do but pleases let us know early on. Complete jokeyou can't tell me they don't already know what there going to do!
 
Hey Bananas I'll just have do do my part and increase my personal carbon footprint by burning more fuel to get to a place where I can make a living. I'm already driving all over town now to buy marked fuel (since the Shell's dropped it) so I don't have to pay a tax that I shouldn't be paying any way. What a total mess. No American visitors, another 7% tax coming, no fish, no recovery plan equals no hope!!
 
Well there it is, just has I was told it would fall. More of the same present restriction until June 18th but with JR being the new western boundary. Then 1 wild over from the 19th to July 15th. The fact they moved the western boundary is the final kick in the balls.
 
I'll be running to JR, but like I said just does wonders for ones personal carbon footprint. Guess I'll be learning some new salmon grounds for a couple of weeks and will be able to drop some hali gear down too.
 
quote:Originally posted by profisher

I'll be running to JR, but like I said just does wonders for ones personal carbon footprint. Guess I'll be learning some new salmon grounds for a couple of weeks and will be able to drop some hali gear down too.

If you only had 1 client onboard I could see that, but is that really practical if you have 3 or 4 on board? I would be happy as a group to come back with 4 big slabs.....think of the lost time fishing just running up there...first light? 4am departure? Not my idea of a good time.
 
quote:Originally posted by profisher

I'll be running to JR, but like I said just does wonders for ones personal carbon footprint. Guess I'll be learning some new salmon grounds for a couple of weeks and will be able to drop some hali gear down too.

I feel your pain, myself and some of the Victoria guys have been running to the Johnstone Reef area to get our over 67's.

No doubt the Fraser Fish stick to Haro Strait and all published shipping lanes...

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Hey pro fisher i've done a bit of salmon fishing up that way i'll point you in the rite direction.Kinda wierd how they have the power to open it the day of the jdf i;m glad they are but makes you think.
 
I think a big THANKS to Chris Bos and the entire SFAB crew is appropriate for achieving this LEAST harmful result in negotiations with DFO and the FN. I know for a fact that WAY WORSE options were tabled and seriously discussed including complete closures for anglers in JDF. Thanks to their diplomatic skills and persistence we have at least the opportunity to continue to fish even if severly restricted.
 
Deewar, if I don't run to JR it means for all purposes a limit of zero fish over 67cm. (until June 18th) We don't see any hatch jobs in June from the 20 to 40 pound class. If customers are ok with catch and release and nothing to take home at the end,,,fine I'll fish my usual spots.
 
Banana's I'm assuming the same contour lines as PNP, Muir etc.... the 100 to 130 to edge is a good start. My charts are out on the boat. I have a trip tomorrow and will head to the light for the last time for a couple of weeks. Will look at the charts then and see what the waters from JR and westward look like for salmon. I should be able to chat to you from Reni from there if you have a hot tip. I'll probably see you up in Reni for 2 or 3 days as I have a group for 3 full days and I think they will be ok with a fuel surcharge to get up that way. Just hope this f#kin wind goes away!
 
quote:Originally posted by profisher

Deewar, if I don't run to JR it means for all purposes a limit of zero fish over 67cm. (until June 18th) We don't see any hatch jobs in June from the 20 to 40 pound class. If customers are ok with catch and release and nothing to take home at the end,,,fine I'll fish my usual spots.

true...I was thinking that being your solution once the 1 over is in place, but I guess there is almost 3 weeks to go before then that send you scrambling. Timing mindset of a charter vs a casual sport fisher I suppose.
 
This was likely an easy decision for DFO since there are not that many guides and no lodges (of course) east of Jordan River. As a sporty who primarily fishes Victoria/Sooke, I would feel much better about this decision if the one over, one under included all of BC. At least that way I would feel the restrictions I am forced to face are actually having an impact and there will be Salmon for my children to catch.I know that statement will **** alot of guides of in PR, Bam, Ucy, etc. (sorry)[:I]. I am pretty sure I am not the only Vicotria Sporty feeling that way today.
 
The whole thing is a joke!

The only way to protect these fish is to shut down everything from Hardy to Prince George.

To implement restrictions that suggest Fraser Chinook only migrate and are susceptible to capture off SVI is ridiculous.
 
First off, those Fraser Chinook everyone is talking about are mostly “ocean type” Chinook and the majority are taken mid Strait of Georgia,WCVI, and the Washington/Oregon coast - "NOT" off Victoria or Sooke! See below, a couple of heads off Victory or Sooke - does "NOT" an "interception" make! A true conservation would be doing just the opposite of what is being done? Of course that is based off of a University of Washington study completed last year - where's DFO getting their information? Or, I guess it really doesn’t fit DFO’s agenda – of let’s just kill them off one species at a time, as that seems to be what is transpiring?

I have been watching this with an interest and do have to admit, my thought (as I was setting here shutdown), at least you “whiners” are getting to fish! I got to thinking about this so I decided to do my little internet search thing! BTW… the Fraser has a lot of studies, but since this seems to be focused on the early lower Fraser, especially the Nicola watershed, that is the one I focused. I just might owe an apology for the “whiners” thought and guess I'm starting ****, again?

You need to go make a drink - and sit down for this one!

“IF” the following "IS" still going on your current restrictions are complete ‘BULL ****”! I don’t think you guys/gals are going to be happy when you find out why your fishing is limited for the early returning Nicola Chinooks? "If" it is still going on, those fish are already dead; you just haven't buried them, yet! They do "NOT" have a suitable, viable, survivable "habitat", period! And DFO “KNOWS” that! At least they should their reports have been basically telling that for the last - THIRTY YEARS! That is the first thing that jumped out, “Concerns over habitat degradation and the status of the Nicola stocks drew the attention of DFO and MELP in the late 1970s and early 1980s.” I venture to say, the below are “still" existing issues? Rather than restricting the fishery, I’d be asking when DFO is going to fix the habitat to protect these fish? What in the hell have “THEY” been doing for the last THIRTY YEARS? Other than reducing their enchancement of Chinook smolts? Yes, it appears they reduced their enhancement from 350,000 per year, to approximately 240,000 smolts. Maybe someone in DFO, also sees a dying fishery, without a viable recovery plan?

This information is right from ‘Department of Fisheries and Oceans’ 1997. The Nicola watershed is used heavily with a high demand for the irrigation of crops; has a large cattle ranching population; increased nutrient levels; used for domestic and industrial purposes (at least two ready-mix concrete companies); increased copper and molybdenum levels; logging; mining; human made obstruction; dams; bank instability; riparian clearing for development; water quality problems and yep - Used for human waste disposal.

I guess I can see why their might be a concern with - poor water quality, low water; high water temperatures; low oxygen levels; silt; all the herbicides fungicides, etc used for the Ginseng; and with the reduced enhancement - if DFO is "really" concerned about and trying to “save” those early return Chinook, leave the fisheries alone, and "fix" the fricken "habitat!

You "whiners" are right, my apology ... this is a "BIG F*CKING JOKE"!

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/Library/240114.pdf

I am sorry... I can't seem to see any type of "dot" around Sook or Victoria?

FraserRiverMigration.jpg


FraserChinookRecoveries.jpg
 
Very interesting info Charlie. Ever thought of moving to Canada, getting a law degree and helping us fight the utterly incompentent "work" of DFO? ;)

Thanks for the good info. I agree with Wolf. I think the only way we can stop/change DFO is to take them to court somehow. DFO and their political masters don't give a **** about real salmon conservation and enhancement. My 2 bits.

Long live wild salmon!!!
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Careful Charlie. No question you are doing good research but sometimes you mix things up. The (official) reason why we are facing the current restrictions is the decline in the so called 4(2) ET Fraser Chinooks, mainly the Nicola run. 4(2) is stream type - not ocean type. The ocean type chinooks have been doing better than the stream types over the last years - no official explanations given but you are likely on the right track with
quote:The Nicola watershed is used heavily with a high demand for the irrigation of crops; has a large cattle ranching population; increased nutrient levels; used for domestic and industrial purposes (at least two ready-mix concrete companies); increased copper and molybdenum levels; logging; mining; human made obstruction; dams; bank instability; riparian clearing for development; water quality problems and yep - Used for human waste disposal.
Now, the Nicola is part of the Thomson geographical stock - between the Lower and the Middle Fraser geographical stocks. So your diagrams do not really show the Middle or Thomson stock routes but you see the stream type for both the Lower and Upper Fraser migrating along the WCVI and therefore they have to go through JDF to get to the Fraser.

The thing that makes me shake my head is that historical CWT recoveries in the Lower Fraser fisheries clearly show that the Cold/Spius/Nicola chinooks show up in April/May in the Fraser and only a minor tail end shows in June/July. So if those troubled Nicola fish peak in April and May in the lower Fraser - when would YOU close the JDF to fishing if YOU WANTED to protect them? Hmmm
 
Chris valid points, I didn’t get it mixed up – but glad you pointed that out! Maybe I should have clarified that a little better?


Most populations of early Fraser drainage are characterized stream-type. There are exceptions there as several populations that produce substantial proportions of both stream and ocean type, up to 50%. I believe the Thompson and Nicola both fall there. But if you want to home-in on the stream type that actually would make the environment issue a larger factor and things “worse” for their survival! The stream type are much more dependent on the freshwater stream ecosystems because of their extended residence in these areas. People are literally dumping their waste and “sewage” into those streams – that has to stop... and they are wondering why the “wild” salmon aren’t returning?
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/fish/chinooksalmon.htm

If you look at the charts and the numbers you will see whether they be “stream” or “ocean” type – neither are really being intercepted to any point around Victory-Sooke, still doesn’t even bring SEAK into it, just a small amount off the north coast of BC.

Yes, the Nicola is part of the Thomson geographical stock, and that is part of the Fraser. That study indicates the different migration routes distinguishing between upper and lower and ocean-stream type Chinook of the entire Fraser, so I guess that would have to include the Nicola and Thompson, but if you want a little more detail? DFO knows does this… would you like to see what they had to say about their interception in 1999?

“Prior to the closure of many of the outside commercial fisheries, recoveries of lower Thompson springs occurred in all strata with the exception of Alaska, but were most common in the WCVI/Entry area (Fig. 3). From 1997 on, the number of recoveries in all fisheries declined, with the exception of the terminal and lower river recreational fisheries. While these sport fisheries recovered almost 70% of all lower Thompson CWTs during 1997-98, they represented only 87tagged fish, of which 65 were caught in the terminal recreational fisheries at the mouth of the Nicola River.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/csas/Csas/status/1999/D6-11e.pdf
 
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