Derby
Crew Member
Okay i'll bite..define secondary groups?
Protest the ENGO's request to close salmon fishing
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Okay i'll bite..define secondary groups?
fish brain
Crew Member
Sorry for the silence on my part.
As I have stated earlier, there are other people talking about organizing a protest also. I don't want to have a bunch of groups out there seeming disorganized, so I am holding back from announcing any official plans.
The important part is that we book that evening to be there.
In my poll I asked if people would donate money for speakers etc. I dont think we are going to need this, so If you are prepared to donate money to ensure that we can continue to fish, please do so to https://www.gofundme.com/orcaoutreachfund
I hope to have something more official soon, but again please plan to be there, numbers are important. Let's send the message that enough is enough.
As I have stated earlier, there are other people talking about organizing a protest also. I don't want to have a bunch of groups out there seeming disorganized, so I am holding back from announcing any official plans.
The important part is that we book that evening to be there.
In my poll I asked if people would donate money for speakers etc. I dont think we are going to need this, so If you are prepared to donate money to ensure that we can continue to fish, please do so to https://www.gofundme.com/orcaoutreachfund
I hope to have something more official soon, but again please plan to be there, numbers are important. Let's send the message that enough is enough.
Derby
Crew Member
searun
Well-Known Member
If you check out the Financial Report for Suzuki Foundation, they are extremely well funded. ENGO's are BIG business, and they need to have a crisis to help fund their business model. Every time we go to meetings, sitting across the room from us are well paid, professional staff who's full time job is to fight to close our fishery. The rec community is far too fractured to mount any sort of credible political threat to the ENGO's...and that is why your fisheries are being eroded one small cut at a time.
Fishmyster
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Just want you to know that if the regulations come crashing down on your area and we up here in Ukee are not hit as hard you are welcome to come fish here. There are already many guides that migrate seasonally to town for the fishing season including myself. I sure hope you don't need but if you or any other guides do decide to relocate your operations to this area so you can stay afloat I totally understand. Give me a call and I will help you with any information regarding operations of a seasonal charter business in this area.
Ken 250-720-5118
This might be a little or a lot naive but if dfo was actually planning to keep our fishery open, shouldn’t they have someone there talking about the benefits of the rec sector and what's being done to bolster stocks? Yes it’s our fight but it’s their fight too, the fishery works for all of us! It seems to me that the government should have somebody there fighting tooth and nail to explain why the rec sector is staying open and the commercial sector is still viable after all the Liberals are trying to protect jobs remember and nothing is more valuable to jobs than fishing out here. Trudeau was trying to change the law to protect 9000 jobs at SNC there’s a lot more than 9000 jobs at stake out here if they shut our fishery down
Islandgirl
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Vivian Krause spoke at Crown Isle last year, May 2018 I attended. She has done her research and has the facts to back up everything she says.
Suzuki and the so called environmental groups are all smoke and mirrors from various groups such as Dogwood initiative, tides organization, Rockafeller foundation and others. Just google Vivian Krause she has followed the big US $ that are behind such groups.
She even went so far as to follow the money behind the multi million dollar purchase of land on Cortez island, to be a park. Truth is that Gregor Robertson former Vancouver mayor had just bought the parcel of land next door... Funny thing Cortez already had 2 public parks on the island for a couple hundred residents.
I don't doubt the numbers it takes a lot of money to stand up for the environment against all the money being spent to extract all of our resources. The other side is very well funded as well also by American money look up who backs the Frasier institute or the CAPP or any other right wing think tank ngo. It will be a bit tougher because they aren't as open about where their funding comes from. Kinder Morgan was created by two former top executives of enron. I guess that's ok though because all they want to do is create jobs for us...…. yeah right. The take away I got from that little biased read about David Suzuki and his foundation is that he doesn't get paid from it and they helped to save a large chunk of habitat for salmon to reproduce in. I could care less where the money is coming from if it is getting the right things done to protect the future of salmon or should I believe that saving chunks of land for habitat is a bad thing. The reality of living in our country is that we are a corporate colony where internationally owned companies come to extract our resources in the hopes of paying as little taxes as possible and employing as few people as possible with as little regard as possible for the environment. There is a good article on hakai's website about the long term effects of the exxon spill I dont want that to happen here might be worth looking at before you throw your support behind people who write for the financial post who could care less if that happened here.
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
I recently had an argument with environmentalist that said the solution to stopping fish farms was to only eat wild salmon
In fact for many years these same engo’s have said to only eat wild salmon.
Until they figured out they could make money off all things to do with SRKW.
In fact for many years these same engo’s have said to only eat wild salmon.
Until they figured out they could make money off all things to do with SRKW.
Meanwhile corporations have realized if they want to get an environmentally devastating project past all they have to do is dangle the promise of jobs in front of Canadians faces and they will blindly support it they wont even ask what jobs or where did they go after the project gets approved.
pescador
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You know. Most of us are pretty reasonable. We get that we have to change. We all support by enlarge the view we need to do what’s right for the environment. However change will take time. Like it or not oil isn’t going away anytime soon for millions of reasons we all know. Turn off the taps in Alberta and the production just shifts to some third world country or middle eastern autocracy where woman are treated like garbage,profits fund terrorism/drug trade/autocrats and they give a **** about the environment. I care about my country but if you just shift the problem someplace worse you’ve made it impossible to manage. The issue of reducing carbon is global..... not just in your backyard. And then the downstream impact to Canada is we lose jobs, income, standard of living and the ability to support all those great social programs people like you probably support and our ability to influence the world. You may want all the taps turned off and wish to live in poverty but I’m pretty sure most Canadians appreciate our standard of living and don’t want to become the next Venezuela.
Read the article I mentioned and then tell me that's an ok risk to have or the massive amount of tankers that will theoretically be in our waters. The reality is that there is no overseas market for junk bitumen and when has increasing the supply of something made it worth more kind of backwards economics. How many jobs could be created if the government spent that money rebuilding salmon stocks. Check out the hub in texas there wont be tankers coming here no matter how much governments want to convince voters because there is no market for our oil outside of the refineries in the states. Look up what the term being kindered means,when they went public in Canada lots of people invested on the idea they would be spending the money on a pipeline in Canada but they turned around and spent that money to pay off debt of their American company. The numbers used to justify the pipeline all use a barrel price of over 100 dollars our government is lying to us about the prospects of prosperity from a golden pipeline its pathetic that people believe it. Oil and gas is a net loss for our country after all the corporate welfare payments and subsidies if you factor in what we will have to pay to clean up after oil company have gone bankrupt it will be a legacy our kids will be paying to clean up for many years. But oh yeah build that pipe its the only way for us to prosper,those animated propaganda messages from the government of alberta sure must have worked. Show me one customer lined up to buy our garbage oil beside the ones who already buy it for next to nothing.
triplenickel
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You couldn’t be more wrong, it’s obvious you haven't bothered to do a 2 minute read of google search results. Mexico and Venezuela are drying up and their former customers with refineries set up for heavy oil are ready to buy and currently are buying Global demand for oil is growing by a million barrels per year and for better or worse isn’t going away anytime soon. Don’t believe the numbers? Google it yourself. The few hundred tug escorted double hulled modern tankers per year compared to the 3000+ single hulled non escorted container ships carrying thousands of tons of bunker c are low risk. What’s the difference between bunker c and dilbit? Hint; not much when it comes to marine clean up. Don’t believe me? Google it yourself. Do you know how much bunker c goes through BC water every year? Over 45 million cubic meters (1 m3 = 1000L) where’s the protest for this? Don’t believe the numbers? Google it yourself. Oh right, Tides hasn’t been paid to go after it yet. Wanna get upset about SRKW’s being affected by marine traffic why would you worry about a couple hundred boats per year (your “massive amount” giggle) when the fearless Horgan and Weaver have increased ferry traffic by nearly 3000 trips per year. Don’t believe the numbers? Google them yourself.
The price doesn’t need to be $100, they’re profitable now, it’s about closing the gap between WCS and WTI. Rail traffic has gone up dramatically and will continue to do so, is that because oil isn’t selling? Oil companies want to invest billions. Is that because it isn’t selling?Do you actually think you know more than those in the business? Your programming is showing, don’t let it affect basic objective thinking. When the pipeline goes through and the west coast gets better spill response capabilities it’ll be a win, it’ll help protecting our coast from all marine risks already in play far better than we can now.
Who said our only options are binary? Who said it’s either or? Who said we can’t improve habitat and have a healthy energy industry? Would you prefer to see it done in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq? Who do you want to supply the world instead? I’d really like to hear your alternative plan and how it will benefit the planet. Canada is less than 2% of global emissions. What happens to the planet if we go to zero? Think about this stuff for a minute.
triplenickel
Well-Known Member
I guess its alright to ship the bitumen using the rail right now then??? Its not a matter of if a train derails but when....
What risk? It’s not like train tracks follow river valleys or anything like that.
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