Post Season SFI Log Book Meeting

[Whole in the Water]

I agree, not well publicized. Surprising that those who participated and supported the log book program were never contacted. Looks to me like someone at DFO didn't bother to value the input of those they signed up for the program to even maintain a simple e-mail list to keep the communication going. Exactly why DFO is having difficulty getting this going. The other problem is the Guide Industry hasn't been particularly good at establishing Associations to help improve or make easier communication between DFO and the guides. Points to need for both parties to get better organized.

I think Searun hits the nail on the head on this issue. We need to learn from what went wrong this year and make sure that when next year's log books get handed in and all participants are well notified and the turnout is good. This probably means that someone other than DFO needs to do the notifying. While using log books to supply data is not the best solution to this issue, it sure as hell beats the alternative of DFO having to rely on only 2 returned salmon heads for their database which they then heavily extrapolate into some voodoo math figures to come up with regs for Area 19-20 that make no conservation sense! I would support all the guides and as many volunteer rec. sportfishers who want to particpate to keep log books to help the management decisions to be based on real data, not this made up ****. Then at least it will be easier for everyone concerned to determine when DFO makes management decisions based on data or politics. My 2 bits on the matter.

 

[searun]

The nice thing here is there appears interest! Let's hope that translates to greater uptake in the program. Not sure if Gamechanger is monitoring this thread, but if he is if he can pm me we can start working on getting someone from DFO out to a future West Coast Fishing Guides Association meeting to pitch to program to members.

 

[profisher]

You can't blame DFO for dropping the ball on this one...SFI was in charge of getting the word out. My email was sent from SFI not DFO.

 

[profisher]

Log books alone can't help with data to determine the fresh water origins of the fish contained on the pages. You need a head or DNA sample to do that. Heads from fish over the 77cm size limit are very few and far between from May to mid July as 99% of the larger fish during that time are unclipped. So under the present fishing regs which allows zero retention of larger unclipped Chinook the head samples DFO works with will always be small in numbers from May to mid July. The solution is to allow a one fish (wild or clipped) over 77cm from (March 1st to July 15th) but make it mandatory for a DNA sample to be turned in. Then raise the money from the sport fishing sector to pay for the processing of the DNA samples ($20.00 per sample) and get this science done in a year or two. Otherwise we are going to be stuck with this early timed restriction forever. The DNA samples could prove us right or wrong...but at least we get the REAL answer and move quickly either way from the results. Not doing it guarantees status quo for a very long time. We have nothing to loose, except a few bucks.

 

[Derby]

You can't blame DFO for dropping the ball on this one...SFI was in charge of getting the word out. My email was sent from SFI not DFO.

Hey Guy's talked to Owen in regards to this meeting..He had the following to offer up... personal I believe we did everything that we should have...at a certain point people need to take responsiable for there own back yard.. The issue that being discussed has been on going for 2 season plus and will continue.... Just my 2 bits



Lisa Winbourne sent out invitations to all the participants twice, she and DFO called the local SFAC directly (Tom Cole attended) and phoned a number of the likely attendees as well. The meeting invite went to at least 80 e-mails in the area and I also reported out to the SC SFAB about the meeting and date.


A December meeting was promised in March to all participants and anyone interested. Over the course of the summer Lisa and Jessica Bond relayed details about a post season meeting in December. Anyone who was genuinely interested knew it was coming or quickly could have found details about the meeting.


Thanks for passing along the feedback.


Perhaps the biggest error was scheduling on an evening when there was a hockey game!


Obviously attendance was pathetic and not good enough so we'll have to try again in the spring.


Sure doesn't send a good message to DFO.

 

[profisher]

Thanks Derby, pretty much backs up my original post if the parties involved (DFO & SFI) are being straight up.

 

[Tailspin]

Hate to say it boys...I think this was my 4th year on the 19/20 logbook, Like LC never heard a single thing about a meeting!

Also have found just more slot limits since the logbook came out??? Im a sceptic on it for sure.

Whats with this blame the guides **** as of late. Sure makes posting anything of value on this site difficult.

 

[profisher]

If no one but me got the two emails then someone is full of sh&t. The good thing is that by posting this the truth will come out because a few people are now going to find out what happened. I hope those of you who didn't get the emails are going to follow through and find out why!! Like I said earlier my emails came from SFI so that is where I would start looking.

 

[OldBlackDog]

So, you do not get it, the F/N on the Fraser do not give a crap about your catches.
They told DFO to stop all the fisherman who effect these runs to stop fishing.
DFO does what ever they are told by Ottawa .


[. QUOTE=Tailspin;208167]Hate to say it boys...I think this was my 4th year on the 19/20 logbook, Like LC never heard a single thing about a meeting!

Also have found just more slot limits since the logbook came out??? Im a sceptic on it for sure.

Whats with this blame the guides **** as of late. Sure makes posting anything of value on this site difficult.[/QUOTE]

 

[Derby]

If no one but me got the two emails then someone is full of sh&t. The good thing is that by posting this the truth will come out because a few people are now going to find out what happened. I hope those of you who didn't get the emails are going to follow through and find out why!! Like I said earlier my emails came from SFI so that is where I would start looking.

For thoses who are involved in that program and did not recieve the SFI e-mails regarding this meeting ..I will be more than happy to collect your e-mail address and check to see if you are on the list...

 

[profisher]

Derby- Seems like that would make it very easy for the guys to find out what happened.

 

[Last Chance]

Hey Guy's talked to Owen in regards to this meeting..He had the following to offer up... personal I believe we did everything that we should have...at a certain point people need to take responsiable for there own back yard.. The issue that being discussed has been on going for 2 season plus and will continue.... Just my 2 bits



Lisa Winbourne sent out invitations to all the participants twice, she and DFO called the local SFAC directly (Tom Cole attended) and phoned a number of the likely attendees as well. The meeting invite went to at least 80 e-mails in the area and I also reported out to the SC SFAB about the meeting and date.


A December meeting was promised in March to all participants and anyone interested. Over the course of the summer Lisa and Jessica Bond relayed details about a post season meeting in December. Anyone who was genuinely interested knew it was coming or quickly could have found details about the meeting.


Thanks for passing along the feedback.


Perhaps the biggest error was scheduling on an evening when there was a hockey game!


Obviously attendance was pathetic and not good enough so we'll have to try again in the spring.


Sure doesn't send a good message to DFO.

******** (Not to you, but to DFO/SFI). I own my own mail server. No email for me, no phone call from Lisa, and I have call logs going back to September. I'm very active in area 19/20 in the spring, filled out a good log book, had them GO ABOARD MY BOAT IN RENFREW TO PHOTOGRAPH MY DATA WHEN I COULDN'T MEET THEM. I have several E-mails from Lisa, not the one for the logbook wrap up. Hmmmmmm, neither to any of the other guides, except RR, who is extremley active in the JDF salmon enhancement programs. I'd love to see a CC of the email that went out. It was never sent. Details about a meeting? Where the hell are they posted. Not in the log book, nor by email. You sure as hell bet of Chris Bos was aware of it he would have sent it to me. It seems that DFO is not interested in reliable data, maybe make it appear that the guides in JDF are not interested in participating in the log book program to help the Native's case in obtaining a stranglehold on the 4sub2 Fraser Chinook.

DFO did not notify myself, Tailspin or Optimist, or anyone else that I know who had a logbook in area 19/20. Complete ********.

 

[Derby]

More than happy to find out....

 

[searun]

Interesting, whatever happened we need to figure out how so many were not informed or missed the messages and figure out a better way in the future so we can move forward together. The log books are a good idea, and we do want them in place or we risk leaving management decisions to educated guesses...and in case you haven't followed the run predictions over the years, I have yet to see DFO get it right in my area.

 

[profisher]

If in fact it turns out that DFO and or SFI screwed up and they were the cause of the meeting being a flop, I will be the first to apologize to anyone who felt unjustly accused of not caring enough to attend the meeting. It does seem strange that we all got the SFI invitation to the Vancouver meeting and yet so far it appears only I got the emails for the log book meeting. If your using the same email list everyone should get both emails.

 

[Whole in the Water]

Quote "So, you do not get it, the F/N on the Fraser do not give a crap about your catches.
They told DFO to stop all the fisherman who effect these runs to stop fishing.
DFO does what ever they are told by Ottawa ."

I can appreciate your frustration in this matter OldBlackDog, but we have to start fighting fire with fire. DFO says their Area 19-20 reg. decisions are based on data (or lack of it). So lets help solve the data problem they can't or won't. When they no longer have this as a reason/execuse then we can better prove the existence of the political influence in the reg. decisions and deal with that appropriately in due time. Because DFO is a 'slippery' customer we need to methodically by the process of elimination, one by one, remove all their reasons/execuses for their biased, incompetent, mis-management in this area. This will take some time and committment from guides, lodges and sportfishers to do this. Bullsh!t you say, won't do it, makes no difference! Then we must be prepared to face the alternative if we don't. This inevitably will be more and more restrictive regs (due to the increasing pressues facing springs in this area) that guides and sporties might as well eventually sell their boats or find another area to fish! It is time for us in the rec. sector to organize and fight back, or we may will face the same "great" angling opportunities they do on the East Coast thanks to trusting the DFO to make "sound" decisions! My 2 bits.