I know everyone you mentioned personally and I dont think any of our halis were caught in the valley. Lol
Now That We Know TAC, What Should 2014 Limits Be?
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I know everyone you mentioned personally and I dont think any of our halis were caught in the valley. Lol
Jencourt
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That would be correct for me. Not one from here for me.
Roofus
Member
Ah good i thought I was missing something, I commend you guys for being passionate for a species that we don't fish locally it shows what kind of fishermen you guys are! I am still trying to comprehend the numbers but with no experience or access to the fish it is difficult to comment I am sure there are others like me who will also have to learn from what you guys are asking for in your posts.
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spring fever
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. Roofus don't think there is too much this side- I usually fish WCVI-I did catch one about 25lbs fishing salmon on the Kitty hump last year. Pure fluke-never got one there before!!
SerengetiGuide
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I still haven't heard an argument against shoulder being more economically beneficial to the coast yet...anyone have one? Only thing I"ve heard against it is guides and lodges will catch all the big ones...according to DFO numbers the shoulder option has even more cushion than most of the slots people are pushing for. So season will be long and open till Dec 31st most likely. Sounds like there was already a lot of high grading going on this year, as in 2012 as many have pointed out a 10lb halibut is almost negligible (no one says 4lbs of meat, ok, I"ll take a small fish again...)
GLG
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I think this idea was talked about here last year. Just can't remember what the consensuses was.
It's the equivalent to a personal TAC in pounds. We just use length because IPHC has this table that converts length to pounds. I have used the table in the past when we caught a 75lb halibut. Don't remember the legnth but I do remember the weight. We also didn't have a scale that could reach that weight. That was back in the day when it was 2/3 no slots. Those were the good old days before slots... Perhaps that's one of the reasons I would like to get rid of at least one slot rule this year.
My view on who likes what rule is all dependent on where you fish. Some places we get smaller halibut and a 2 fish makes more sense. Some places we get larger fish and the shoulder 1/2 July August 1/1 makes more sense. It all depends where you fish.
That place where we pickup that 75lb halibut was Fair Harbour. Don't fish there any more because of all the rule changes. The last few years they have rules on Salmon fishing at the surfline and rules on the halibut. Why bother to put up with that when I can change up and go somewhere else. Problem there is the local community could use my business, but what can a guy do. If you think about it we all do this and what kind of an impact is that on the people in those small communities.
Currently, the way I see it, we are willing to throw some areas under the bus to keep these slots alive.
Something to think about.....
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GLG
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There are halibut over here, there just hard to catch. I once had a battle with what I thought to be a hali out at Kitty. It was ten years ago and fishing at about 60 feet when I caught something that just swam away. Spooled me and we could not get the our shyt together to track it down. It took about 15 seconds and all my line was gone and then so was the fish.... Since then I have never had the luck to get one as by-catch out there. Seen a few but is rare.
I live near several Hali grounds so I am happy with the current slot sizes. However I wouldn't complain if they didn't have an upper slot size, or larger slot size (Wolfs 80lb would be nice) in the months where the charters / lodges were less active say March - May, and October - December. As for everyone complaining about the 83cm limit they've never seen the size of fish the charters in Ucluelet bring in most would be under, and not deter their clients...
HookNSlice
Member
sorry late to the party here and haven't been reading emails. What is the TAC this year?
wolf
Well-Known Member
Can you imagine the cheating that would go on with that?? fisherman lie about the lbs already!!! "oh the fish I had on was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY over 40 lbs.... (salmon) or the halibut I got on was WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY over 150 lbs
GUYS WE WENT UNDER THE TAC FOR THE YEAR!!!!! WHY ARE WE EVEN DEBATING THIS!!!!
Jencourt
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So we went 250k under last year with the 126/83cm rule.
I like the shoulder option but On the DFO model it is only 12k under the last years rules.I also hear people chatting about wanting 2 fish all year and not going to 1/1 for the July and Aug that the shoulder option has.
My thought is to utilize the 250k by making a shoulder option like this.
Shoulder months 1/2 no restriction on first fish and 83cm on the second fish .
July and Aug (may require June as well) Keep it at 2 fish but add the 126 max to the big fish.
This option would satisfy the dedicated Hali fishermen in the spring and fall as well as keep the 2 fish possession for the summer.
Probably way to late but I think maybe worth looking at.
I like the shoulder option but On the DFO model it is only 12k under the last years rules.I also hear people chatting about wanting 2 fish all year and not going to 1/1 for the July and Aug that the shoulder option has.
My thought is to utilize the 250k by making a shoulder option like this.
Shoulder months 1/2 no restriction on first fish and 83cm on the second fish .
July and Aug (may require June as well) Keep it at 2 fish but add the 126 max to the big fish.
This option would satisfy the dedicated Hali fishermen in the spring and fall as well as keep the 2 fish possession for the summer.
Probably way to late but I think maybe worth looking at.
Dave S
Active Member
I think this is a pretty good idea. Works for me.
bigbruce
Crew Member
Given I do most of my Hali fishing in July and Aug and don't really want anything bigger than 126cm anyway, this works for me as well.
SerengetiGuide
Well-Known Member
Using DFO numbers I could find from 2013 and and the 2012 numbers for the 1/2 83cm that were actually caught I found with above and July/Aug 70lb limit would result in below...
These are pounds taken with 1/2 with one 83cm shoulder, 1/2 with 126max and 83cm max July/Aug or 133cm max July/Aug
March 13,109lbs
April 23,355lbs
May 34,458lbs
June 194,300lbs
July 284,171lbs (1/2 with 126cm max) 314,171lbs (1/2 with 133cm max)
August 281,499lbs (1/2 with 126cm max) 311,499lbs (1/2 with 133cm max)
Sept 53,701lbs
Oct-Dec 2,559lbs
Total 887,152lbs 947,152lbs
+ 5% biorisk 44,357lbs 47,357lbs
Total with 931,509lbs 994,509lbs
Safety Net
These are pounds taken with 1/2 with one 83cm shoulder, 1/2 with 126max and 83cm max July/Aug or 133cm max July/Aug
March 13,109lbs
April 23,355lbs
May 34,458lbs
June 194,300lbs
July 284,171lbs (1/2 with 126cm max) 314,171lbs (1/2 with 133cm max)
August 281,499lbs (1/2 with 126cm max) 311,499lbs (1/2 with 133cm max)
Sept 53,701lbs
Oct-Dec 2,559lbs
Total 887,152lbs 947,152lbs
+ 5% biorisk 44,357lbs 47,357lbs
Total with 931,509lbs 994,509lbs
Safety Net
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Jencourt
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Thanks for doing that Serengeti Guide. I think it is a great solution . It provides all of our sector with part of the season at least, providing what each person is asking for. Oh well me thinks it is too late for the party anyway. I sure would like to see them run it at the meeting before doing anything .
Ray.
SerengetiGuide
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Actually it's less than that. Poundage taken in July aug was less than 600k, will re edit my post when I get home and make new post with exact numbers ...
SerengetiGuide
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