N.S. fish farm rejected: risk to wild salmon.

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Gee Tin,

Not sure where they got their figures, but only 8.5 million in GDP????

1 farm produces up to 3,000,000 kgs. at $4 per kg, that's $12,000,000 per farm site that is being harvested. I think that more than 2/3 of 1 site was harvested last year.

Also the industry has invested way more than they are stating in this article.

How do they arrive at the 8.5 million figure?

Oh now I understand its by Damien Gillis. Now it all makes sense
 
Again, I am hoping to get some honest and open dialogue on the differences between Revenue, contribution to GDP, what stays in BC and what is taken out by foreign investors/owners. I think it's a very relevant point to cover.

I'm not even a fan of GDP as a measure of overall health of the economy but it's what we use for now. Please provide some insight other than "Oh, it's Damien Gillis".

I would like to know how he arrives at the $8.5 million figure as well and perhaps I can email his website and find out. In the meantime please provide the figures for your industry above, including how you arrive at them. Thanks

Gee Tin,

Not sure where they got their figures, but only 8.5 million in GDP????

1 farm produces up to 3,000,000 kgs. at $4 per kg, that's $12,000,000 per farm site that is being harvested. I think that more than 2/3 of 1 site was harvested last year.

Also the industry has invested way more than they are stating in this article.

How do they arrive at the 8.5 million figure?

Oh now I understand its by Damien Gillis. Now it all makes sense
 
Again, I am hoping to get some honest and open dialogue on the differences between Revenue, contribution to GDP, what stays in BC and what is taken out by foreign investors/owners. I think it's a very relevant point to cover.

I'm not even a fan of GDP as a measure of overall health of the economy but it's what we use for now. Please provide some insight other than "Oh, it's Damien Gillis".

I would like to know how he arrives at the $8.5 million figure as well and perhaps I can email his website and find out. In the meantime please provide the figures for your industry above, including how you arrive at them. Thanks


Here is information to 2008.
 
Thanks for the link Absolon. Just to be clear - this is from a report that DFO (and NOT the industry) paid for in 2010. BUT DFO is so broke that they lay off 60 habitat biologists and gut funding for streamwalks and generating critical stock assessment programs - but there's always a spare few million for aquaculture support and promotion....

Testing for ISA - not so supported.

Also in the report - it looks like the industry wholesale (NOT farm-gate) annual value of the salmon net-cage is just over $500 million - prob. not significantly changed over the past 2 years or so...

Gillis claims it is $469 Million for 2011 - citing stats Can and DFO sources. Prob. close to the actual number. Then he claims $925 Million for sportsfishing and $13,400 Million for Tourism. No numbers for commercial fishing in his op ed.

Not sure how he narrowed $469 Million to 8.5 Million. Bit of a stretch there.

ok, lets say then that the open net-cage industry likely contributes something like $0.5 Billion to someones economy, putting at risk some unknown portion of over $14 Billion.

That's the economic argument anyways.
 
Thanks for the link Absolon. Just to be clear - this is from a report that DFO (and NOT the industry) paid for in 2010. BUT DFO is so broke that they lay off 60 habitat biologists and gut funding for streamwalks and generating critical stock assessment programs - but there's always a spare few million for aquaculture support and promotion....

Just to be clear, those numbers are for 2007 as is indicated on the data tables. Also to be clear, DFO's mandate includes managing the utilization of marine resources. Obviously, some form of analysis of the results of policy is mandatory in order to quantify the economic outcomes to obtain feedback and adapt policy. The rest of your statement is irrelevant to the subject of the economic impacts.

Testing for ISA - not so supported.

Again, irrelevant, but here's this.

Also in the report - it looks like the industry wholesale (NOT farm-gate) annual value of the salmon net-cage is just over $500 million - prob. not significantly changed over the past 2 years or so...

Gillis claims it is $469 Million for 2011 - citing stats Can and DFO sources. Prob. close to the actual number. Then he claims $925 Million for sportsfishing and $13,400 Million for Tourism. No numbers for commercial fishing in his op ed.

Not sure how he narrowed $469 Million to 8.5 Million. Bit of a stretch there.

Gillis is not a scientist; he is an activist with an agenda. This is some of what I was referring to when I mentioned interpretations of selected information that may or may not be factual being presented as fact. It isn't dislike of Gillis because his statements are unfavourable, it's awareness of who he is, what he does and how rigorous he has previously proven to be in his analysis that establishes his credibility and results in the dismissive responses.

ok, lets say then that the open net-cage industry likely contributes something like $0.5 Billion to someones economy, putting at risk some unknown portion of over $14 Billion.

That's the economic argument anyways.

No it's not. That's an activist's argument based on the unsubstantiated premise that the farming industry is putting the tourist industry at risk. As I specified with regard to environmental assessments, enumeration of the possible risks posed by the industry is completely meaningless without some quantification of those risks. In order for that argument to have any validity, that premise must be substantiated. It's basic science and basic logic.

Here is the economic argument and no doubt the source of Gillis' rather mangled take on the numbers. I would caution anyone who intends to use these figures to ensure you read the report thoroughly and carefully and understand what it is saying about the methodology applied, it's limitations and what the resulting numbers mean.
 
Thanks for the info and come-back Absolon. I appreciate debating issues honestly and openly, using the available science where it exists...
 
I appreciate the measured response. The last time I posted here to ask Ms. Morton a question I got 16 pages of abuse for having the temerity to do so.
 
Absolon; had some time to respond to your post.
Also to be clear, DFO's mandate includes managing the utilization of marine resources. Obviously, some form of analysis of the results of policy is mandatory in order to quantify the economic outcomes to obtain feedback and adapt policy. The rest of your statement is irrelevant to the subject of the economic impacts.
”managing”≠ “promotion”, and promotion is at odds with regulating. Even Cohen pointed this out and made it a recommendation that DFO is in a conflict of interest which affects their ability to properly regulate the open net-cage industry, and they should be relieved of that self-appointed and conflicting mandate.

So, my statement is not irrelevant in the context of whether DFO has the financial and corporate ability to properly regulate the open net-cage industry – especially after the latest round of cut-backs. It boggles my mind and many others on this forum that DFO lacks the financial capacity to properly do it's job – but spends some millions each year promoting the aquaculture industry.

For example: “The government gave the Department of Fisheries and Oceans $57.5 million over five years "to enhance regulatory certainty" in the aquaculture industry, but it has yet to respond to the final report of the $26-million Cohen Commission, which was set up to look into the decline of sockeye salmon in the Fraser River.” See:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...lations-before-cohen-commission-response.html

Gillis is not a scientist; he is an activist with an agenda. This is some of what I was referring to when I mentioned interpretations of selected information that may or may not be factual being presented as fact. It isn't dislike of Gillis because his statements are unfavourable, it's awareness of who he is, what he does and how rigorous he has previously proven to be in his analysis that establishes his credibility and results in the dismissive responses.
I don't think that being labelled an “activist” is necessarily a “bad” moniker. Even the pro-industry pundits who post on here are “active” and are “activists”. You are an “activist”, absolon. The proper functioning of democracy depends upon an informed and engaged public.

Being wilfully ignorant and incapable of incapable of having an open debate is another matter. In the case of Gillis's op ed - don't think he needed to make it worse than it is - it aleady is bad enough.

No it's not. That's an activist's argument based on the unsubstantiated premise that the farming industry is putting the tourist industry at risk. As I specified with regard to environmental assessments, enumeration of the possible risks posed by the industry is completely meaningless without some quantification of those risks. In order for that argument to have any validity, that premise must be substantiated. It's basic science and basic logic.
I think it has been substantiated world-wide that open net-cage technology has both risks and certain potential impacts to adjacent, wild salmon stocks. The debate is not on whether those risks and impacts happen, but rather on how severe these impacts are, and what level of risk we are prepared to accept.

If you look back a few pages – you will see how impossible it is to quantify those risks given the inadequate siting criteria, lack of access to data, and lack of adequate fish health monitoring.

I agree that it is critical to quantify those risks, and have a mechanism to assess what risks are societal-acceptable – another mechanism lacking from fish farm approvals.

None of these issues are the fault or responsibility of those evil “activists”, but rather remain the purview and responsibility of both industry and governmental regulators. The onus to prove whether or not those risks are valid and substantiated – or not – is solely the responsibility of the industry.

Otherwise - you don't get to use (or possibly abuse) public resources. You get your tenures yanked, and your approvals stagnated. That's what is supossed to happen in a proper evironmental review process - something your industry has been exempt and protected from, to date.
 
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Absolon; had some time to respond to your post.
”managing”≠ “promotion”, and promotion is at odds with regulating. Even Cohen pointed this out and made it a recommendation that DFO is in a conflict of interest which affects their ability to properly regulate the open net-cage industry, and they should be relieved of that self-appointed and conflicting mandate.

So, my statement is not irrelevant in the context of whether DFO has the financial and corporate ability to properly regulate the open net-cage industry – especially after the latest round of cut-backs. It boggles my mind and many others on this forum that DFO lacks the financial capacity to properly do it's job – but spends some millions each year promoting the aquaculture industry.

For example: “The government gave the Department of Fisheries and Oceans $57.5 million over five years "to enhance regulatory certainty" in the aquaculture industry, but it has yet to respond to the final report of the $26-million Cohen Commission, which was set up to look into the decline of sockeye salmon in the Fraser River.” See:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...lations-before-cohen-commission-response.html

I wouldn't consider that analysis of the economic impact of aquaculture to be promotion. When Cohen pointed out the conflict DFO faces, according to the news report you linked, he pointed out that the responsibility for promoting the industry is what was at the root of the conflict. That conflict didn't exist with respect to the BC industry until recently when Morton forced the issue in court as a means to block the fallowing plan about to be put in place in the Broughton Archipelago, a fact that Morton admitted to as a result of that aforementioned question I asked her. The nebulous term "enhance regulatory certainty" does not indicate promotion, nor in fact anything specific, so it is presumption to assume it indicates promotion rather than, for instance, establishing a consistent process by which the industry is regulated which might include financing the ISA testing plan discussed in that CFIA document I linked to.

I don't think that being labelled an “activist” is necessarily a “bad” moniker. Even the pro-industry pundits who post on here are “active” and are “activists”. You are an “activist”, absolon. The proper functioning of democracy depends upon an informed and engaged public.

Being wilfully ignorant and incapable of incapable of having an open debate is another matter. In the case of Gillis's op ed - don't think he needed to make it worse than it is - it aleady is bad enough.

Activist isn't a negative term but rather an explanatory one and I'll be the first to admit that activists are essential in our current political environment. The problem with activists arises from how some such as Damien Gillis or Don Staniford or Alexandra Morton choose to operate. Activism has to be based on the truth, not misrepresentations or extremism, if it is to be credible and effective. When it is not, it becomes a negative and non-constructive influence rather than a beneficial one. The polarization in this discussion is a result of that kind of activism and has led to a belligerent environment where the first consideration is no longer finding a rational, mutually agreeable solution that as it's first priority minimizes the detrimental effects of the industry but instead becomes a battle of ideologies.

I think it has been substantiated world-wide that open net-cage technology has both risks and certain potential impacts to adjacent, wild salmon stocks. The debate is not on whether those risks and impacts happen, but rather on how severe these impacts are, and what level of risk we are prepared to accept.

If you look back a few pages – you will see how impossible it is to quantify those risks given the inadequate siting criteria, lack of access to data, and lack of adequate fish health monitoring.

I agree that it is critical to quantify those risks, and have a mechanism to assess what risks are societal-acceptable – another mechanism lacking from fish farm approvals.

None of these issues are the fault or responsibility of those evil “activists”, but rather remain the purview and responsibility of both industry and governmental regulators. The onus to prove whether or not those risks are valid and substantiated – or not – is solely the responsibility of the industry.

The risks that attend aquaculture in each of the different jurisdictions where it is practiced are different because each jurisdiction has it's own particular characteristics and vulnerabilities. What is relevant in BC are the problems faced in BC, not those faced in the different environments found in Chile or Norway. Suggesting that all the problems found elsewhere must also be found here because we farm fish too is factually incorrect. Continually arguing the relevance of those problems and insisting that they must be solved before farming should be allowed to continue here takes attention away from those problems that are actually found here and for which solutions are now and have always been worked on by farms and regulators and scientists, albeit without much participation by the anti-farm coalition.

The industry here has a track record that exceeds thirty years of operations. That record establishes that there has been no catastrophic outcome attributable to the industry yet identified. In the absence of any such issue, the anti-coalition attempts to lay responsibility for the declines in wild stocks at the door of the industry even while ignoring completely that the trend existed long before the industry was a gleam in some itinerant Norwegian's eye as well as ignoring the documented impact of the commercial and sports fishery and the long term environmental damage inflicted by the logging industry and land development for housing and industry.

That is the issue with expecting the industry to disprove every accusation that the anti coalition can dream up. The coalition appears to operate on the principle that you have to keep throwing turds at the wall in the hopes that one will eventually stick. It is not the responsibility of the industry to respond to every turd thrown. It is their responsibility to react to valid criticism, and they do, but it is not possible to find solutions to problems that haven't shown any evidence of existing here. It isn't unreasonable to expect that those with complaints be expected to document the validity of those complaints; the risks must be quantified in order to determine their relevance.


Otherwise - you don't get to use (or possibly abuse) public resources. You get your tenures yanked, and your approvals stagnated. That's what is supossed to happen in a proper evironmental review process - something your industry has been exempt and protected from, to date.

This is not my industry and the industry has not been exempt and protected from oversight or regulation at any point from it's inception to the present. That it hasn't resulted in the outcome desired by the coalition who admit to having the removal of farms from BC as their objective does not mean that oversight and regulation has been inadequate for the circumstances found in our waters.
 
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I wouldn't consider that analysis of the economic impact of aquaculture to be promotion. When Cohen pointed out the conflict DFO faces, according to the news report you linked, he pointed out that the responsibility for promoting the industry is what was at the root of the conflict. That conflict didn't exist with respect to the BC industry until recently when Morton forced the issue in court as a means to block the fallowing plan about to be put in place in the Broughton Archipelago, a fact that Morton admitted to as a result of that aforementioned question I asked her. The nebulous term "enhance regulatory certainty" does not indicate promotion, nor in fact anything specific, so it is presumption to assume it indicates promotion rather than, for instance, establishing a consistent process by which the industry is regulated which might include financing the ISA testing plan discussed in that CFIA document I linked to.
Jobs, jobs, jobs – didn't you hear? Didn't hear the pro-farm advocates use jobs as a leverage towards continuing to operate as expected? That any changes in the status quo puts jobs at risk? Try:
http://www.newswire.ca/fr/story/54733/committee-report-threatens-jobs-and-opportunity
http://www.salmonfarmers.org/sites/..._questions__answers_version_2_16_aug_2011.pdf

Industry Canada, Agriculture Canada and Stats Canada would be the appropriate federal departments to promote salmon farming and fund studies on the economics.

The admittedly nebulous term "enhance regulatory certainty" is speaking to investors – all is well – nothing to see here – keep investing – we are “certain” the fish farming industry will have all the regulatory hurdles taken care of – it is “certain” you will get a green light and continue to operate. DFO media shrills in the Orwellian DFO communications department are very aware that they need to be seen to actively support the industry. It's all a game to them. They don't have to live with the consequences.

The conflict existed long before Morton got involved in the anti- side of things. If the industry really wanted fallowing – they would have just done it on their own, like they do in other jurisdictions in the world that they operate. It's amazing how much power the pro-farm lobby focuses on Morton. I guess having a mutual boogy-man makes it easier to motivate allies through fear-based consensus.

It's funny how the BCSFA acknowledges provincial conflicts of interests, but not federal ones: “Now that BC no longer has jurisdiction over salmon aquaculture in the Province, the possibility of conflict with provincial laws is minimized.” p.21: http://www.salmonfarmers.org/sites/..._questions__answers_version_2_16_aug_2011.pdf

Now that DFO is regulating aquaculture – how come that reasoning above does not follow – speaking of logic-based arguments?

Activist isn't a negative term but rather an explanatory one and I'll be the first to admit that activists are essential in our current political environment. The problem with activists arises from how some such as Damien Gillis or Don Staniford or Alexandra Morton choose to operate. Activism has to be based on the truth, not misrepresentations or extremism, if it is to be credible and effective. When it is not, it becomes a negative and non-constructive influence rather than a beneficial one. The polarization in this discussion is a result of that kind of activism and has led to a belligerent environment where the first consideration is no longer finding a rational, mutually agreeable solution that as it's first priority minimizes the detrimental effects of the industry but instead becomes a battle of ideologies.

I couldn't agree more with your statements. Works both ways, though. You could easily substitute Walling, Grydeland, Warkentin, Moore, Rideout, Salmon, Conley, Wagner, Halse, Jensen, Backman, Ayranto, Beres, Kiley, Stephen and Krause for the names you listed; as well as Hill and Knowleton.

Apologies to any shrills I have forgotten.
 
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The risks that attend aquaculture in each of the different jurisdictions where it is practiced are different because each jurisdiction has it's own particular characteristics and vulnerabilities. What is relevant in BC are the problems faced in BC, not those faced in the different environments found in Chile or Norway. Suggesting that all the problems found elsewhere must also be found here because we farm fish too is factually incorrect. Continually arguing the relevance of those problems and insisting that they must be solved before farming should be allowed to continue here takes attention away from those problems that are actually found here and for which solutions are now and have always been worked on by farms and regulators and scientists, albeit without much participation by the anti-farm coalition.
Yes, different areas are different due to legislation and oversight as well as different local, and regional oceanographic/hydrologic/biologic realities.

In the Pacific, the outmigrating smolts are often much smaller than Atlantic smolts, and way more numerous, as are adult salmon.

That screams to me that wild salmon here are more vulnerable to things like sea lice loading (mortality dependent upon size of fish), and the likelihood of interactions is very much increased...more risk!!!

In addition, larger tides means more tidal flow, and more dispersion of infective stages of sea lice, disease agents, and chemotheraputants like anti-lice treatments.

We SHOULD BE aware of, and proactive wrt identifying problems found elsewhere in the world with the open net-cage technology.

What is relevant in BC are the problems faced in BC, BUT COULD BE SIMILAR to those faced in the different environments found in Chile or Norway.

That is called DUE DILIGENCE – learning from others mistakes and experiences and taking proactive steps to mitigate those potential risks.

We SHOULD BE able to identify the most realistic and critical risks; in a open, transparent, honest, inclusive risk assessment framework.

WE DO NOT HAVE THIS PROCESS DEVELOPED FOR FISH FARM SITES IN CANADA!!!!

The reason fish farm workers are unfamiliar with this process is because THEY HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THIS PROCESS OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS OF THEIR OPERATIONS!!! The CEAA screening process (NOT a full and proper CEAA assessment) was initiated due to NWPA concerns – NOT environmental ones (look back a few pages for more details).

BC salmon farming industry was under a provincial moratorium that was lifted in 2003 By John van Dongen, without consulting the appropriate federal departments, after fish farm companies contributed to many newly-elected BC liberal ministers, incl. van Dongen. It caught many departments, including Coast Guard, by surprise.

Before the moratorium was lifted, nobody had to worry about the regulatory process too much. Once the moratorium was lifted, Coast Guard got nervous about their liabilities through the Navigable Waters Protection Act (their mandate), and declared that since physical structures were a navigation hazard, the new site applications now had to go through a Canadian Environmental Assessment (CEA).

How this was now to develop was anybodies guess, and so the applications were held-up, which got the fish farming companies irate. The BC Salmon Farmers Association applied pressure to Bastion - the Commissioner for Aquaculture Development.

That is when Bastion unilaterally made the decision to put fish farms under screenings, rather than CEAA assessments.

Yves Bastien was appointed (and not hired through a competitive process) Commissioner for Aquaculture Development on December 17, 1998 in response to the federal Liberal Party’s 1994 election platform document: "Securing our Future Together", which stated that improved support for the aquaculture industry from the federal government and its agencies would foster more rapid growth of the industry.

Yves has sat on various boards of directors, including the Aquaculture Association of Canada (AAC), the Canadian Aquaculture Industry Alliance (CAIA), and the World Aquaculture Society (WAS).

And we seem to be stuck with the status quo since then on screenings initiated by Bastion. So we have had a political appointee from the industry determine "proper public oversight" in lieu of due diligence and a proper environmental assessment for open net-cages.

Scoping (determining boundaries of effects) and compulsary public input are omitted in screenings. If effects are "predictable" and "mitigatable" in screenings - then the government has used the comparisons with other jurisdictions as providing that "prediction", supposedly.

Sure can't find that methodology anywheres in the peer-reviewed literature. I think we should all ask DFO how they proved effects were "predictable" and "mitigatable".

Campaign donations must then be both "predictable", and "mitigating"...

The industry here has a track record that exceeds thirty years of operations. That record establishes that there has been no catastrophic outcome attributable to the industry yet identified. In the absence of any such issue, the anti-coalition attempts to lay responsibility for the declines in wild stocks at the door of the industry even while ignoring completely that the trend existed long before the industry was a gleam in some itinerant Norwegian's eye as well as ignoring the documented impact of the commercial and sports fishery and the long term environmental damage inflicted by the logging industry and land development for housing and industry.

That is the issue with expecting the industry to disprove every accusation that the anti coalition can dream up. The coalition appears to operate on the principle that you have to keep throwing turds at the wall in the hopes that one will eventually stick. It is not the responsibility of the industry to respond to every turd thrown. It is their responsibility to react to valid criticism, and they do, but it is not possible to find solutions to problems that haven't shown any evidence of existing here. It isn't unreasonable to expect that those with complaints be expected to document the validity of those complaints; the risks must be quantified in order to determine their relevance.
Fish commonly sink when they die, and/or are eaten by predators and scavengers. You could cause mortality to local fish stocks and never notice or visually see it.

We don't have adequate and robust enough escapement data to really be able to tell what the actual numbers of returning adults are in watersheds, with the exception of a very few watersheds with fish fences.

So that die-off would be lost in the "noise" of inaccurate stock assessments.

It IS the responsibility of industry to demonstrate they are NOT having an impact – and is the basis for environmental assessments in Canada (and elsewhere) for other industries.

In an inclusive, normal CEAA assessment process – some of those “turds” you mentioned get aired and flushed-out where appropriate.

YES – I couldn't agree more that risks need to be quantified. Look back over the past few pages to review my critiques and input onto that risk assessment process.

This is not my industry and the industry has not been exempt and protected from oversight or regulation at any point from it's inception to the present. That it hasn't resulted in the outcome desired by the coalition who admit to having the removal of farms from BC as their objective does not mean that oversight and regulation has been inadequate for the circumstances found in our waters.
I DISAGREE – the industry HAS BEEN exempt from proper environmental assessments for many years now. Look back over the past few pages, again.
 
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44-- thanks, that report got me excited, as it backs up what I have read and heard many time before. I just wish it was updated with RECENT studies, as the fish farm hacks are going to spread BS that things are different now 10 years later... but still a good reason NOT to eat that crap.
 
Anti-salmon farming movie called to task
Canada: A recent documentary featuring Canada’s most extreme critic of the country’s salmon farming industry meets criticism from an industry insider


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Odd Grydeland

Ian Roberts, who is the Manager of Communications for Marine Harvest Canada wasted no time responding to a posting in the Campbell River Courier-Islander that promoted the production and up-coming display of a collection of video clips that take direct aim at the B.C. salmon farming industry. Mr. Roberts writes;

Re: "Want to see wild salmon?" (April 17 Courier-Islander)

I would never stop anyone from seeing a movie they might enjoy. So, if Colleen Campbell and her friends really want to watch a locally produced documentary called Salmon Confidential, then please do. Bring popcorn.

But for the majority of the population, who have retained their ability to think critically, it's fair that they know some important facts about this film. Salmon Confidential has been produced for a reason; because the story line in this movie failed to impress experts at the Cohen Inquiry into the Fraser River Sockeye. In fact, after hearing witness testimony from the main actor, Alexandra Morton, Judge Bruce Cohen concluded that the "data presented during this Inquiry did not show that salmon farms were having a significant negative impact on Fraser River sockeye" (Final Report, Volume 3, p. 24, column 2).

This conclusion - from a two-year, $26 million scientific Inquiry and the expert testimony of numerous fish health professionals and biologists - did not sit well with Alexandra Morton.

So, her story is repeated again in this one hour movie. The difference this time is; her story goes unchallenged. Add some dubious editing, testimony manipulation, character assassination, misrepresented lab reports and omission of vital facts about salmon migration and fish health, and you have a very compelling yet completely fictional story. I would never stop anyone from seeing a movie they might enjoy. But just like our grandparents when hearing War of the Worlds for the first time - we should be forewarned that it's fiction. If you want to learn more about the errors and false claims made in this documentary, please visit Salmon Confidential Exposed at www.SalmonConfidential.com.
Publisert: 22.04.13 kl 06:30
 
Forty Four,

Thats a rehash of the same stuff that was proven false and misleading 5 or so years ago. Really want some PCB's and dioxins. Eat beef and butter your toast.
 
Judge Bruce Cohen concluded that the "data presented during this Inquiry did not show that salmon farms were having a significant negative impact on Fraser River sockeye" (Final Report, Volume 3, p. 24, column 2).

Oh sockeye still peddling your half quote to save your feedlots?
I'll see your half quote and raise you four.

Found at link http://www.cohencommission.ca/en/FinalReport/ pg. 17-26,


I accept the evidence that the state of scientific research about sockeye–fish farm interactions is not sufficiently developed to rule out diseases on salmon farms as contributing to the decline of Fraser River sockeye and posing future risks.” pg 20.


I therefore conclude that the potential harm posed to Fraser River sockeye salmon from salmon farms is serious or irreversible. Disease transfer occurs between wild and farmed fish, and I am satisfied that salmon farms along the sockeye migration route have the potential to introduce exotic diseases and to exacerbate endemic diseases that could have a negative impact on Fraser River sockeye.” pg 22


In my view, the risk of serious harm that salmon farms pose to Fraser River sockeye along their entire migration route – not just 1 km from the mouth of the river – needs to be considered and reflected in siting criteria.” pg. 22


In summary, I have concluded that net-pen salmon farming in the Discovery Islands poses a risk of serious harm to Fraser River sockeye through the transfer of diseases and pathogens.” pg.25
 
Oh sockeye still peddling your half quote to save your feedlots?
I'll see your half quote and raise you four.

Found at link http://www.cohencommission.ca/en/FinalReport/ pg. 17-26,


I accept the evidence that the state of scientific research about sockeye–fish farm interactions is not sufficiently developed to rule out diseases on salmon farms as contributing to the decline of Fraser River sockeye and posing future risks.” pg 20.


I therefore conclude that the potential harm posed to Fraser River sockeye salmon from salmon farms is serious or irreversible. Disease transfer occurs between wild and farmed fish, and I am satisfied that salmon farms along the sockeye migration route have the potential to introduce exotic diseases and to exacerbate endemic diseases that could have a negative impact on Fraser River sockeye.” pg 22


In my view, the risk of serious harm that salmon farms pose to Fraser River sockeye along their entire migration route – not just 1 km from the mouth of the river – needs to be considered and reflected in siting criteria.” pg. 22


In summary, I have concluded that net-pen salmon farming in the Discovery Islands poses a risk of serious harm to Fraser River sockeye through the transfer of diseases and pathogens.” pg.25

Where's the 'Like' button?
 
… Judge Bruce Cohen concluded that the "data presented during this Inquiry did not show that salmon farms were having a significant negative impact on Fraser River sockeye" (Final Report, Volume 3, p. 24, column 2).

Great post GLG!

sockeyefry2, I would NEVER post anything written or said Ian Roberts, who is the Manager of Communications for Marine Harvest Canada. Ian Roberts can call whatever he wants to task, especially as he has lost any and all creditability half-truths and flat-out LIES. IMHO, Marine Harvest would be much better off sending him, with his “popcorn,” half-truths, and flat-out lies back to Norway? I am actually surprised he hasn’t been fired yet and he really needs to brush up on the ten “D’s” and remember to stay away from anything considered “outright blatant lies”:

Here is a list of the ten "D's":
1. Deflection.

2. Delays.
Delays are one of the more common responses that a community initiative may face. With delays, the opposition may say it is working on the problem, when the reality is that nothing is being done. They may also suggest that more information is needed (and form committees to gather it, as evidence of good faith) when there is already plenty of information on the problem. One of the worst consequences of the delay tactic is that it can hurt the momentum of a strong organization, and it can cause community members to lose heart and give up.

3. Denials.
Denial is used when your opponent refuses to admit there is any truth to either: a) the problem you say exists (e.g., "We don't have a problem with teen pregnancy in our community"), or b) the solution that you propose (e.g., "Giving kids condoms won't reduce the pregnancy rate, it will just make them more likely to have intercourse"). A second kind of denial is when an official or other opponent says they would like to help, but don't have the resources or clout necessary to actually make a change.

4. Discounting.
Discounting occurs by suggesting that the problem you are working on isn't really that important ("Our community is basically a healthy place"), or by questioning the legitimacy of your organization or its efforts. In its most extreme form, the latter can take the form of lies, mud slinging, and accusations: "That group is just a bunch of liberals, conservatives, communists... just fill in the blank?."

5. Deception.
Deception is the act of intentionally misleading someone by lying or by "forgetting" to tell the whole story. Deceptions may be carried out in a variety of ways, such as trying to confuse your organization with bureaucratic nonsense and red tape, misrepresenting statistics, or making suggestions that in reality have nothing to do with what you are trying to accomplish.

6. Dividing.

7. Dulcifying, or appeasing.
To dulcify an organization is to try to appease or pacify members with small, meaningless concessions. This tactic is particularly tricky because it may be difficult to determine the line between compromise (which your group may find helpful) and allowances that turn out to be meaningless.

8. Discrediting.
Discrediting is similar in many ways to discounting. When a member of the opposition tries to discredit an organization, (s)he may attempt to make your group look incompetent (unreasonable, unnecessary, et cetera) to the community at large. Your motives and ways of accomplishing your goals are both called into question.

9. Destroy.
The destroy tactic has the simple, clear goal of trying to ruin your organization or initiative in any way possible. This method may use one or more of the other tactics as a means to achieve the ends. The threat of a lawsuit is often used in this case (for example, by saying that you have committed slander against an organization); it's important to realize that these threats are usually only words. Make sure you know your rights and have access to legal assistance, and you will be able to contend with even these serious methods of intimidation.

10. Deal..

In Summary
When you are working for change in your community, it's certain that you'll run into problems. There will always be people who benefit from the status quo, people who are afraid of change, or people who just don't want to see you succeed. As U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren once said, "Everything I did in my life that was worthwhile I caught hell for." Understanding all of the different ways you can "catch hell" from your opponents, as well as knowing how to respond to those attacks, makes you a very strong adversary. What's more, it gives you a good shot at truly making the difference you set out to make.

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Anyone missing what the industry and DFO is doing here? Ian Roberts knows full well, what Judge Bruce Cohen concluded and is intentionally leaving portions out to deceive the general public. The quote that Judge Bruce Cohen concluded that the "data presented during this Inquiry did not show that salmon farms were having a significant negative impact on Fraser River sockeye" is iinsinuating Judge Cohen found those feedlots have no significant negative impact and that is an… OUTRIGHT BLATANT LIE!

“Data presented during this Inquiry did not show that salmon farms were having a significant negative impact on Fraser River sockeye. However, as noted above, the statistical power of the database (containing fish health data from 2004 to 2010) was too low to rule out significant negative impact.”

What part of the “was too low to rule out significant negative impact” did Mr. Ian Roberts seem to intentionally omit?? The reason the Cohan Commission was unable to fully state whether wild sockeye salmon have been affected by fish farms on their migration route was because there wasn’t enough research done by the DFO into the pathogen transmission from fish farm into wild salmon. Just on page 24 alone, the “as noted above” includes and reads:

“Given the risk of serious harm posed by salmon farms to Fraser River sockeye, DFO needs to ensure that existing farm sites conform to the most up-to- date knowledge to ensure that risks are minimal.”

These examples cause me concern. They provide little confidence that the most up-to-date standards and practices are being applied to all salmon farms potentially affecting Fraser River sockeye, irrespective of when the farm site first became operational. If siting measures are to serve as a useful tool to minimize the risk of serious harm to Fraser River sockeye, they must be adaptive to new scientific information. If new information reveals that existing farm locations pose more than a minimal risk of serious harm to Fraser River sockeye, those farms should be removed.”

“For the “proper farm siting” mentioned in the Wild Salmon Policy to effectively minimize the risk of serious or irreversible harm to Fraser River sock- eye, DFO needs to focus on the following measures:”

“Protection of Fraser River sockeye from negative impact along their entire migratory route.”

“Protection of Fraser River sockeye from the potential negative cumulative effects of swimming past multiple farms sited on their entire migration route”

“In short, siting should be approached with the goal of the Wild Salmon Policy in mind: restoring and maintaining healthy and diverse salmon populations and their habitats for the benefit and enjoyment of the people of Canada in perpetuity. DFO should seek to approve the best sites to avoid negative impact on wild stocks, such as Fraser River sockeye, rather than the best sites to produce farmed salmon.”

“DFO also needs to take steps to minimize the scientific uncertainty about salmon farms and to re-evaluate its mitigation measures as that uncertainty diminishes.”

“I accept the evidence of Dr. Korman and Dr. Dill that scientists need another 10 years of regulatory data (until at least mid-2020) before they can more confidently identify any relationships that may exist. As well, other than a few studies related to sea lice (mostly in species other than sockeye), DFO has not completed research into the effects of diseases and pathogens from salmon farms on wild Fraser River sockeye. Nor has DFO done any research into the cumulative effects on sockeye of having multiple salmon farms sited on their migration route.”

“In sum, there are insufficient data (almost no data) to evaluate cause and effect relationships, and insufficient data (in terms of a time series of fish health data) to look for correlations between fish farm factors and measures of sockeye health such as productivity. As a result, significant scientific uncertainty remains around the effect of salmon farms on Fraser River sockeye salmon.”

http://www.cohencommission.ca/en/FinalReport/
 
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