Hailbut Poll # 1

[Duffer]

I agree with Wolf 100 per cent!!!

 

[Aces]

You need to step back and look at the big picture Felix. Last time you looked at boat numbers on hulls was Barkley Sound. There is one hell of a lot more fishing going on in this Province than Barkley Sound. Again most folks on this forum is a minimal number really and that is great that they are thankful. Really it is.

How will it be usefull in finding out what 1000's and 1000's of Canadian's that own the resource think? That is my question.

Like I said I am not trying to be an azz .

Good question.

You guys need to look at the big picture. One of the reasons, i believe for the slot was to slow down the catch of large Halibut from up north where anglers could catch their 2 halibut over 100 lbs in a day or on a 3 day trip easily which would eat up the sportfishing tac real quick.

 

[lorneparker1]

Good question.

You guys need to look at the big picture. One of the reasons, i believe for the slot was to slow down the catch of large Halibut from up north where anglers could catch their 2 halibut over 100 lbs in a day or on a 3 day trip easily which would eat up the sportfishing tac real quick.

How far up north? Because i dont know of anyone anywhere, that can "easily" put 2 100 lbers in the boat ever 2 or 3 day trip.

 

[Aces]

I guess you don't anyone that fishes the Prince Rupert/Charlottes area then.

 

[the fog ducker]

good points FishTofino ,

maybe thats the case ,again data would be kinda nice , enuff ta keep our season open for the supposed month and a half longer ?
i have a good friend that fishes Rupert every year , hes on this site ,
hes quite well known up there , see what he says.. maybe just another reason ta go to the " Area " regs like all other species ??
not sure..

later

fd

 

[lorneparker1]

I guess you don't anyone that fishes the Prince Rupert/Charlottes area then.

I know lots that fish the charlottes. And 100lb halis WERENT the norm last time i checked. QCL had one of thier best hali seasons in recent memory and there were not many over 100. Ping pong paddle city up there is my understanding.

Lorne

 

[GLG]

I do not know of anyone that had to release a fish because of this., However I do know lots of people that didnt fish hali after the first day of thier trip because they landed a decent one on the first day, where with out it they definitely would have continued to fish

Then what you are saying is the slot did work.
Remember the idea was to harvest less fish.
Interesting.....
GLG

 

[lorneparker1]

Then what you are saying is the slot did work.
Remember the idea was to harvest less fish.
Interesting.....
GLG

What im really saying, is unless we have real data, we are left to hypothisize what may or may not work or assume what did or did not work. And this, among all other issues is the biggest one. The truth is, we really dont know if the slot worked or not without the data. The REC TAC was similar in 2012 and 2011, the closing date was also similar. There has been some talk that the "effort" was greater this year and without the slot we would have been shut down in July. And to that i say... where is the hard data to back up such a statement. (Not directed at you, just talking out loud)

Lorne

 

[Aces]

I know lots that fish the charlottes. And 100lb halis WERENT the norm last time i checked. QCL had one of thier best hali seasons in recent memory and there were not many over 100. Ping pong paddle city up there is my understanding.

Lorne

Check out the websites from The Outpost or Naden Lodge. They consistantly fish the west side where 100 lbers are almost common. I have family and friends that live and guide up there and that's what they tell me

 

[Tips Up]

We need to keep the pressure on to deal with the unfair allocations.
Pull back the quotas that are being least and not fished and there should be plenty for everyone.
This is a reasonable arguement that should be considered. I believe even the DFO have lost track of who "owns" these quotas.
If you don't fish it, give it back.
Both Sporties and Commies (that are fishing) are being penalized by this "ownership".
Both sides should be able to come to agreement on this and actually be on the same side with this fight.
F'ck the slipper skippers. Divy it up between those of us fishing and everyone wins.
If I was a working commercial hali fisherman I would be pissed that I have to lease quota from another commercial who does not fish.

Tips

 

[GLG]

That's a given TipsUp we all know we need more quota but this thread is about how we are going to set the rules for next season. I for one have been out there trying to change the allocation both within SFAC and from the outside thru political change. That said we still need to find a way to stay within our TAC.

Seems to me that the word last year was if we continued the course of 1 and 2 with no slot we would have reached our TAC by August 1..... We did go to the beginning of September so the slot did help. It was thought that we would get a full season but that didn't work......
Just more things to think about....
GLG

 

[wstcoaster]

nowdays most of slipper skippers are native bands given overly generous quotas by dfo and just lease them out

 

[UkeeDreamin]

That's a given TipsUp we all know we need more quota but this thread is about how we are going to set the rules for next season. I for one have been out there trying to change the allocation both within SFAC and from the outside thru political change. That said we still need to find a way to stay within our TAC.

Seems to me that the word last year was if we continued the course of 1 and 2 with no slot we would have reached our TAC by August 1..... We did go to the beginning of September so the slot did help. It was thought that we would get a full season but that didn't work......
Just more things to think about....
GLG

Sorry and nothing personal GLG but I call BS. The only facts we have wrt the slot restriction is the fact that the 2011 and 2012 rec TAC were nearly identical and the season lengths were also nearly identical. The only conclusion that can be made based on those facts is that the slot regulation did NOT WORK to extend the season. I fully admit that even that conclusion is a stretch, at best, given the lack of data to support a conclusion one way or another. Data was collected and calculated by DFO to justify the closure in September and thus the data has to be made available to the public if requested. As such, no reason for the data not to be looked at when discussing this issue.

Just one man's opinion but I think it's highly irresponsible for folks to continue to give weight to a measure that has no statistical proof based simply on assumptions or speculation.

 

[Tips Up]

The one over/ one under had no effect on me. I don't go on weekend meat trips. But I still won't vote for it in this pole as I'm not offering to give something up when the system is so screwed.

I am only suggesting that fighting head to head with the commies is going no where. Getting them on our side is a much better bet. Both parties are getting screwed by the slipper skippers. Get the commies that want to fish on our side and get this issue resolved.

If the TAC was divided amongst people who are FISHING there would be plenty to go around. Agree?

Tips

 

[GLG]

Sorry and nothing personal GLG but I call BS. The only facts we have wrt the slot restriction is the fact that the 2011 and 2012 rec TAC were nearly identical and the season lengths were also nearly identical. The only conclusion that can be made based on those facts is that the slot regulation did NOT WORK to extend the season. I fully admit that even that conclusion is a stretch, at best, given the lack of data to support a conclusion one way or another. Data was collected and calculated by DFO to justify the closure in September and thus the data has to be made available to the public if requested. As such, no reason for the data not to be looked at when discussing this issue.

Just one man's opinion but I think it's highly irresponsible for folks to continue to give weight to a measure that has no statistical proof based simply on assumptions or speculation.

Nothing personal taken, in fact I welcome your input.
We both need numbers to make judgement calls ....
The info I have is that it did work but not very well, it did extend our season like I quoted.
The plan was for a full season... we got a short season and went over by X (don't know the number yet) lbs.
Can't supply you with numbers but perhaps they will come out in the weeks to come.
I think your mind is made up at this point so enough said.
Sending you a PM to continue with info.

Personally think it's a non issue at this point because many do not support the slot limit.
We need to find another way to stay within our TAC.

GLG

 

[wolf]

The problem is they dont even know..... they throw a dart at a dart board and where it lands well thats when they shut it down or what decision they make....
The worst part is when it was 2 daily possesion of 3 a few years back we went over by (correct me if im wrong) close to 500.000 lbs (THEY SAY) then they went to a 1 daily 2 possession well thats was a heck of a hit cause it reduced your chances by half and yet we still went over....hhhhmmm something fishy there.
With all the recent cut backs and NON enforcement they really are just guessing now, it is quite apperantlly clear they dont want to or even consider managing what they are supposed to do. Im sure if they had their wish it would be all fish farms and no wild fish left in the ocean to manage then they can walk away from what there responsibilities are... looking after the fishery..... good luck on that one!!!!!

Wolf

 

[the fog ducker]

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