ship happens
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Take your P50 example and take it right to our department and ask them that. P50 LOL
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Take your P50 example and take it right to our department and ask them that. P50 LOL
mac_davy
Active Member
" ceremonial food fish " lol, ceremonial for sale on Craigslists list, or marketplace you mean.
SpringVelocity
Crew Member
Because the environmental groups are pushing the impact on Fraser chinook mortality if it opens. Several statements have been made questioning impact of rec fishing last few days on social media.
Where do you think FN got the idea about the catch and release mortality? One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out where that came from and who initiated it?
You can bet the two stooges at Watershed have been pushing back opening it. You can bet there were some backdoor discussions. It can't come as a surprise?
Remember Greg Taylor was asked specifically to be a part of the catch and release study this year and he never responded. What do you think that means? If he is so up at arms on mortality why didn't he participate?
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Does Greg Taylor and these groups understand how gill and set nets work and 100% mortality with the inriver netting?
Do these groups know that DFO allowed over 50 gill and set net openings prior to Aug 1 targeting the most endangered Chinook stocks in BC?
Where were these groups then?
Do these groups know that DFO allowed over 50 gill and set net openings prior to Aug 1 targeting the most endangered Chinook stocks in BC?
Where were these groups then?
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Fishallspec
Active Member
Next meeting is Aug 23, looks like they are just going to push it to Sep1 is my guess. Just a guess, I hope it is earlier!
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
From FB
Just got off the Fraser call.
The Canadian Panel under Les Jantz rejected run size forecasts done by the Commission and recommended that much lower run sizes be adopted. "to be risk adverse"
Which would mean no fisheries. The US accepted the run size forcasts of the PSC so is "issuing a letter" tomorrow to say that they are going fishing anyway.
Canada offered to meet with the US tomorrow to see what tomorrows test fisheries bring but when the US said that they were going fishing anyway, Les said he withdrew the offer to meet tomorrow and would not meet til the regular meeting next Tuesday. Said "Canada is bearing the whole burden of conservation"
No Fishing for us. Next mtg Tuesday.
Serious disagreement between US, Canada and PSC secretariat. PSC recommends lates at 2 million which is somewhere between p25 and p50. US agrees with the PSC.
Bottom line, the US will go fishing even though Canada opposes the US fishery, and Canada will not fish.
Canada does not accept that Lates are really late and still coming.
The US can go fishing if PSC staff agrees with them, which they did.
Just got off the Fraser call.
The Canadian Panel under Les Jantz rejected run size forecasts done by the Commission and recommended that much lower run sizes be adopted. "to be risk adverse"
Which would mean no fisheries. The US accepted the run size forcasts of the PSC so is "issuing a letter" tomorrow to say that they are going fishing anyway.
Canada offered to meet with the US tomorrow to see what tomorrows test fisheries bring but when the US said that they were going fishing anyway, Les said he withdrew the offer to meet tomorrow and would not meet til the regular meeting next Tuesday. Said "Canada is bearing the whole burden of conservation"
No Fishing for us. Next mtg Tuesday.
Serious disagreement between US, Canada and PSC secretariat. PSC recommends lates at 2 million which is somewhere between p25 and p50. US agrees with the PSC.
Bottom line, the US will go fishing even though Canada opposes the US fishery, and Canada will not fish.
Canada does not accept that Lates are really late and still coming.
The US can go fishing if PSC staff agrees with them, which they did.
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
Working hard to secure their 2023 budget from our tax$$ - No need to know those details.
Not trying to derail this thread but if the US is officially communicating their plans to go out and fish the same run, why would we not capitalize on the same approach? At minimum, we could organize a protest fishery where we put the lines down in the restricted areas with no lures attached just so it provides some PR optics.
Fraser Sockeye fishery is a meat harvest, I get that. But if the department is so incompetent that they can't even defend their forecast and are competely out of line with the PSC, this deserves to get the public eyes. I wonder what the local guiding community think about this.
Lone_fisherman
Member
If the yanks are fishing..... can we get an American license and fish down there?
ship happens
Crew Member
They are fishing commercially. Who gives a **** about the rec fishery as far as number go.
We can't fish our fish but the Indians and Americans can. I hate this country and what it's become
We can't fish our fish but the Indians and Americans can. I hate this country and what it's become
mac_davy
Active Member
most of guys who fish are busy with families and job and paying taxes and generally producing for society, we aren't un employed or on cerb, 20 something year-olds with time on our hands like the environmentalist movement have.
The card that Canada/DFO used to play was the chinook and coho fishery off the west coast which was/is predominantly USA bound stocks. Now that DFO has pretty much bankrupted the troll fleet we no longer have that card to play hence no leverage with the USA. The USA only responds to power, they do nothing out of the goodness of their hearts.
Fishfinder
New Member
I feel the Americans can see right through the DFO’s political agenda and aren’t going to stand by and not let their people fish.
ship happens
Crew Member
Don't forget ceremonial food fish feeding the birds and the rats, dumped in a ditch in ladner because they couldn't sell their spoiled fish that was not handled properly.
SpringVelocity
Crew Member
95% what a clown!
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wildmanyeah
Crew Member
wildmanyeah
Crew Member
Tell me something new….
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Canada is abusing the precautionary approach,” UFAWU-Unifor President James Lawson says.
“UFAWU-Unifor supports responsible and scientific decision making but rejecting the PSC’s recommendations confirms that Canada is ignoring clear scientific data.”
“UFAWU-Unifor wouldn’t typically support the United States fishing while Canadians are tied up, but in this case, both countries should be fishing right now,” Lawson says.
“Science supports a fishery, and the Pacific Salmon Commission’s recommendations confirm that.”
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