Experimental Halibut Quota Transfer Mechanism

Ya...it's me that is. *eyeroll* talk about the pot calling the kettle black , get a grip. And my dad turns 60 today (happy birthday) and he's still strong as hell
 
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Hope I get to meet you and see how much you talk then. I hear you're not nearly as chatty in person but more of a keyboard chirper. This will probably get deleted but oh well.

This kind of crap is exactly what we don't need.
A commercial fishing proponent, whose only goal in starting this thread is to get "sporties" fighting amongst each other is successful enough to have one member threatening another that has been involved in the process for years.

S-guide, wake up!
If you have something positive to contribute, get on it!

I have similar thoughts regarding SVIAC, but until you've spent a few years 'negotiating' with the government you'll have a difficult time understanding how ridiculous it can be.

Good luck with the 'social media' thing. Hopefully you can get thousands (tens of thousands?) of young peoples voices involved. That would be great.

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Serengeti, I can tell be the tenor of your posts over the last months that this has really gotten your goat. It's gotten mine too.

I wish you the best of luck with social media work. SFABC, SFI and PSF have had several very experienced people battling govermnet for years. The ranks include several people who formerly hail from the Provincial and Federal governments, and who know how these things work. Our fisheries are managed on a political level, so to influence fisheries, you need to influence politicians. I have yet to see a single government mandate affected by social media.

I'm no marketing expert, but social medial tends to target a younger, "less established" audience which IMHO does not really factor into heavyweight politics.

Every day on Facebook there are appeals to help donate money for lifesaving operations for children, some beating up pet, or some other passionate cause, and %99 of these fizzle. I am willing to bet that to Joe off the street who does not fish, the state of our fishery is somewhere down around number 150 on the priority list, as the big issues like an imploding economy, runaway inflation (2x4's are $3.50 FFS!), rampant unemployment (Which tends to affect those who are influenced by social media the most), and the fact that a large part of the most wealthy generation, the "Baby Boomers" are barreling towards retirement with not quite as much security as they hoped for.

Recent examples of changes for the positive in our fishery going through policital channels include:

The surprising change of 88/12 to 85/15 (That one came out of nowhere)

The IPHC not handing Canada it's butt at the negotiating table, thanks to some quick work by our Canadian delegates. We stayed at 7+ million pounds, instead of the 4.5 million pounds were were going to get. A bunch of people rallying outside packing Iphones I suspect would have carried a lot of less weight then the expert delegates speaking on our behalf.

Over the last 5 years, I have been involved with SFAB, and am a founding member of SVIAC. Yes, we got the south island thing and it may hurt us, oh well... In 5 months we have met with several MLA's, and put thousands (With a "T") in our war chest to lobby in Ottowa for our fisheries. We have some very heavy hitters on our membership, and most members of our Board are able to lock horns with the best of other seasoned, experienced politicians in any round table situation without looking like rabble.

I like to thing I am a champion of going off the deep end in hot headed debates. I can also loosing my cool at people in person (Not just because of my stature), but after having met face to face with the only people who's opinions matter (Those that control our fisheries), I don't think that guys our age (Yes, we are close) barrelling in guns blazing will do a lot ofgood. A few years ago I had my butt handed to me in a heated conversation wtih one of these guys when I spoke with feelings, not well researched facts or reason. Sit down with them and after a couple minutes talking tell them how tough your dad is and that you go to the gym. It ought to look as good there as it does here promoting your dad's business. My point at that statement was it's not a dig, but shows how easy it is to derail things when emotional outrage takes the helm.

Getting involved is great. If you start a social media tsunami, even better. But man, please, don't set your sights on the people who have been fighting without pay for our fishery for years. Get ready to invest at least 10 hours a month if you do get involved. And be prepared to be on your own if you beat your chest once. I can say that me championing a whitch hunt here a couple of months ago has severly damaged MY credability with those who matter, and I'm paying that price right now.
 
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Haha. The bolded statements have nothing to do with what you are implying. A) just wanted to make sure guys knew I wasn't responding to their posts right away for a reason and not ignoring it. And fishtofino implied he was old and brittle. That's not true. Nor was my post a physical threat. I'd just like to see him say anything face to face. Doubtful from what I hear. (All he does is go around chirping, and contributes nothing LC, the amount of way to go pm's would show agreement). Also not here to promote the business, but learn and keep informed on fishing issues.

J global I stand by that post in the sense that ppl who don't stand by their convictions or what they have said in the past (unless change of heart for credible reason) are exactly the people we don't want representing us. This is NOT a shot at sfab members. I think Gil (glg) does a great job and cares a lot about the resource and was extremely accountable after the decisions made, guys like him are those we need. Not those that can't take criticism, they should not be ruining your reputation because you were vocal about your dislike for their decision making, that is bs. If anything they should try to find out why, and use that to either fix the problem or to make better decision in the future. Gil is the only one who asked those questions to me, the rest tried to explain it but were closed minded as to how other options could even be thought of.

As for sviac, I am not taking away from what they have accomplished or maybe even will, but a decentralized approach with many groups will not work! Right now sfi, bcwf, sviac, wcga etc are separate entities fighting for essentially the same things but not quite. Having these entities merged would give a lot more power and focus as well, focus is very key in an agenda driven organization. But being decentralized with poor communication channels will not work, look where it has gotten us now (yes, some accomplishments but when compared to what has been lost, not that amazing). All I studied in university is organizational management and structure (a lil finance as well), and this decentralized philosophy is absolutely not the way to go to accomplish a specific agenda. Not at all. One entity is essential...or else ignoring us will be oh so easy for the government like they do now...
 
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I can see it clearly.

Commercial interests lobby DFO to keep the experimental license. DFO declares they have found a solution to the halibut fishery because recreational fishers can now access it year round.

Every year the true recreational season gets shorter with increased restrictions. It could eventually get to the two week season Washington state has.

Then what's left of our halibut fishery is a boys club where the rich can buy quota and go fishing and average joe is left with a very limited opportunity to fish on his own. DFO is happy, major commercial players are happy, recreational fishers are sad but who cares about them they have no money or power.

We have **** on DFO decals while the DFO literally ***** all over our heads.

By the way DFO and commercial interests will be so excited at this great program they will expand it to other seasons and species. Area 19 want to keep a 30 pound spring in June? Buy some quota. Want a few extra crabs? Buy some quota! Want to keep a sockeye? A wild coho? Go prawning in the off season? All this can be yours if you just buy some quota! Oh wait your not really buying it just paying some wealthy pig to lease it for a day. You'll have to pay again next year... And the year after... And the year after.

Whats worse buying quota or poaching? Not that I condone either but I'd rather a guy poach a 100lb halibut if he really wants it after April 1st opposed to doing the legal thing and paying for it.
 
Hope I get to meet you and see how much you talk then. I hear you're not nearly as chatty in person but more of a keyboard chirper. This will probably get deleted but oh well.

All he does is go around chirping, and contributes nothing LC, the amount of way to go pm's would show agreement). Also not here to promote the business, but learn and keep informed on fishing issues.

J global I stand by that post in the sense that ppl who don't stand by their convictions or what they have said in the past (unless change of heart for credible reason) are exactly the people we don't want representing us. This is NOT a shot at sfab members. I think Gil (glg) does a great job and cares a lot about the resource and was extremely accountable after the decisions made, guys like him are those we need. Not those that can't take criticism, they should not be ruining your reputation because you were vocal about your dislike for their decision making, that is bs. If anything they should try to find out why, and use that to either fix the problem or to make better decision in the future. Gil is the only one who asked those questions to me, the rest tried to explain it but were closed minded as to how other options could even be thought of.

So, with all this "chirpin" that you're doing, what exactly is it that you've accomplised? Did you get the change from 12 to 15% done? If so, Cogragulations and Thank You!
But perhaps it'd be best for you to live a little longer, experience a little more, accomplish a little more before you 'chirp' about other people 'chirpin' and not contributing.
I hope we do meat face to face. And I can explain a little better in person than from behind a keyboard that threatening people is not going to be very productive and that perhaps contribution of time/$ to make things better will be more helpful to 'the cause'.

C'mon back, step up, put in the hours, and then perhaps with a better understanding you can explain to all us old folks how to do it right. We need all the help we can get.
 
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