DFO Halibut Reg Proposals (very long)

[fisher69]

I'm confused. If the total TAC for Canada drops by 21% then that means the commercial sector also gets reduced by 21%. How do you figure they get more and we get less? Don't we all get less?

I for one am for conservation. Fishing for "sport" is just that a sport. It's not about trying to catch enough fish to offset an expensive charter, or filling a bunch of coolers to be sent back east with a handfull of letters, it's about the experience of being on the water and hopefully catching something for the dinner table. This meat fishery that is going on needs to change.

If we don't make some changes then there will be nothing left for the generations behind us.

 

[Nimo]

I don't see the data as showing the sports losing share, the data appears to indicate an across the board reduction. I switched gears to prior comments (Chris 73) that stated that the original posting meant loss of share. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Always Learnin]

Does anybody have any idea what is going to happen Feb.1? Is the hali season going to be open? I have a brother planning on some holiday time in mid Feb to go fishing...

 

[chris73]

Nimo; you are correct with your summary - at least as far as I read it too. Considering there is an overall CDN quota reduction of 21% - yes, the commercials will actually take net less too. But the talk about bringing the sporties back under 12% means less share for the sporties from the reduced total. We sporties have been exceeding the 12% apparently for a few years now - since the hali angling became more popular. In order to get us back under 12% we will have to give...to the commercials - calculated in fish poundage. Whether an ultimate restriction of the sporties to 12% makes sense or not (I disagree) will have to be discussed but I am afraid that the commercials are pushy enough to walk right over us in this matter...

Always Learning, you can almost be sure that the hali season won't start until March 1.

 

[Rum Buddies]

You know the anglers in the gulf of mexico imposed voluntary limits on some species that previously had no limits.

What happened? They allocated all the extra fish to the commercial guys and made the self imposed limits law. Any possible positive impact the sporties created was gobbled up by the commercial guys.

Their only success was the to make the local charter guys poorer and the commercial guys richer.

They even put into place a "shared limit", I forget the details but it was something ridiculous like 1 fish for every 2 anglers on the boat.

Just some food for thought.

 

[chris73]

PS, what you are telling sounds insane. But really, we are not that far off. The sad thing is that the 82% commercial and 12% recreational hali quota proportioning is not based on actual catches. It's some sort of a theoretical - statistical guess that concluded that the sporties exceeded the 12%. Nobody ever recorded any catch numbers etc to back this up. But we sporties respectfully agree and get whipped....

 

[Last Chance]

quote:Originally posted by chris73

PS, what you are telling sounds insane. But really, we are not that far off. The sad thing is that the 82% commercial and 12% recreational hali quota proportioning is not based on actual catches. It's some sort of a theoretical - statistical guess that concluded that the sporties exceeded the 12%. Nobody ever recorded any catch numbers etc to back this up. But we sporties respectfully agree and get whipped....

Er, the creel surveyors at all of the marinas in Renfrew sure were not there for the good of their health, they counted everything every day during prime time.

 

[chris73]

Apparently creel surveys do not affect the calculations...That's what I have heard from a believeable source.

 

[Mr. Dean]

quote:Originally posted by Concerned Angler

IPHC 2008 Report
http://www.iphc.washington.edu/halcom/newsrel/2008/nr20080122.htm

If you take the time to read it, you will notice that butt stocks in BC waters are healthy

I'm reading it and trying to connect the dots... The report I see isn't giving me much. I'm plying through the entire site and a lot of stuff seems to be pulled (?)

Where can I see a map lay-out of the areas mentioned and a sumary of our catches,,, what area(s) does Canada fall under?


Maybe you can do a cut-n-paste of what your info is based on???

Thanks.

 

[smp]

quote:Originally posted by Mr. Dean

quote:Originally posted by Concerned Angler

IPHC 2008 Report
http://www.iphc.washington.edu/halcom/newsrel/2008/nr20080122.htm

If you take the time to read it, you will notice that butt stocks in BC waters are healthy

I'm reading it and trying to connect the dots... The report I see isn't giving me much. I'm plying through the entire site and a lot of stuff seems to be pulled (?)

Where can I see a map lay-out of the areas mentioned and a sumary of our catches,,, what area(s) does Canada fall under?


Maybe you can do a cut-n-paste of what your info is based on???

Thanks.

Canada is Area 2 B. The 2008 TAC for Area 2B(Total Allowable Catch-all gear groups) is 9.0 million pounds, down 21% from the 2007 TAC, which was 11.470 million pounds.

 

[Mr. Dean]

That I understand.

I'm trying to figure out CA's statement of:

quote:butt stocks in BC waters are healthy

Where's the datta in this report?

 

[wolf]

WOW come back from holidays and see this WTF, now I am pissed off closed it till march 1 and they give fellow guides no warning what so ever now we have to cancel charters hhhmmm yes really good for the indudstry 3 days notice what about people who already booked and are flying in!!!!!

now Ill comment on this TIPS who in the hell as a guest books 1 to 2 weeks of fishing in a row 100% of my clients book 3 days max and most only 2 and I speak mostly for all guides in saying that!!!!!!!

This whole thing is total bulls*$T Ill speak for my self as I do not know what or how the renfrew guys do with there fish.

If I take out a client and we are SO lucky to limit out I tell them catch a fish for me and ill take the smallest one for my self FOR ME!!!!!
The last time I personally reeled in a halibut was about 4 years ago how many can say that on here!!!!!!!!

We have people come form our province and beyond for 1 or 2 days fishing thats it, you guys love to bash us charter guys all the time where in fact you as the "traditional sporty" is the worst offender. I got 3 halibut in my freezer last year who can say the same????

Who here works for the ferries,airport,grocery,gas,hotel,retail,the list can go on if you want anyone?????well this will effect you to as well think about it long and hard this is going to be a domino effect give your head a shake and wake up!!!!!

And ill tell you one thing if they put a size limit on halibut and what they want to do kiss fishing off of constance GOOD BYE how many time have you got a 20 lb hali out there the avg is about a 35 to 50 lber tell me you will want to release that!!!!!I doubt it!!!!

Some sporties out there and you know who they are maybe even you!!!!! go out there as often as you can and get fish every time you go out just look back at last years posts "got 4 today"got 3 today "got 5 today" and thats all for personal for one or 2 families where we as charter operators have people coming in form wherever who take home 2 for there whole family FOR THE YEAR!!!! and has just put thousands of dollers in out city and you want to "blame" the guides well look where the blame really lies if not you better take a very long look at what your doing !!!!!!!!

MY RANT FOR THE DAY

WOLF

 

[scott craven]

Better stop posting all those nice limit pictures Wolf, some people may not believe that story

 

[Tips Up]

Wolf. My comment may have come across wrong to you.

quote:An annual catch limit would be a good idea. It would keep the charters from keeping there limits for guests, keep guys who book in for a week or 2 and meat fish sending fish out of camp with others...

These were 2 different points. I believe in Renfrew and other places that have easy hali fishing, guides can be guilty of tagging fish for clients.(I don't think this is a problem locally as the hali fishing is not like Renfrew) I also see sporties (not on charters) setting up camp for a week or 2 and shipping out daily limits. I do not agree with this.

I believe an annual limit would solve both of these problems and not effect Charter operators or most sporties. Would you have a problem with an annual limit? Would it have any effect on your business?

I agree with your other points and I think we all agree "we" charters and sporties are getting screwed.

Tips

 

[Time]

Welcone back Wolf
Been waiting for you to weigh in.

 

[chris73]

Exactly. Look closer and you will notice that it is the commercial sector flexing muscles because they do not have much salmon to catch anymore and halibut with its high retail value is now THE source of profit for them. They will do anything to take away from the recreational sector as much as they can... And what are we gonna do about it? Probably not much - as nice as we are we try to relabel it as a measure of conservation...

 

[wolf]

Looked at my own web site didnt see a limit of hali at all in my pics last year!!!!!!!Scott

Wolf

 

[scott craven]

quote:Originally posted by wolf

Looked at my own web site didnt see a limit of hali at all in my pics last year!!!!!!!Scott

Wolf

I am just jealous Wolf

 

[Mr. Dean]

Am I to understand that a Hali UNDER 81cm, isn't legal for harvest in the comercial fishery?

 

[Tailspin]

Legal or not it's still toast after sitting on a longline, swinging on a circle hook for a week[:0]

How does DFO really determine how many pieces the rec sector has or is taking? Guesstimation? Tell me it's not data collected by a creel survey. I do know how many my boat took last season, however i am fairly certain that DFO has not done any info gathering on me or anyone i know fishing Hali recreationaly in the Sooke/Vic area.

"Lets just knock Febuary out of the equation, that should fix things up on Swiftsure for the intirm". Last i checked, not many fish Swiftsure or Bigbank in Febuary. How do they come up with this stuff? The guys that suffer are the Sooke/Victoria fisherman. From what i have read through, it would appear that the primary consevation area of concern is area 121 not 19/20.