Call for help: Paul Watson , Michael Moore

[highlights]

I think Alexandra Mortin needs to call on Paul Watson and Michael Moore to do a trip on our plea to stop fish farms in BC's waters.

I posted this comment here because we all know that barely anyone reads the politics threads.

Thanks guys,

Pleae visit the threads in the politics forum regarding our vanishing salmon stocks!

WE NEED TO ACT!

 

[Little Hawk]

I emailed Moore last year; no reply. Not surprising, I'm basically a nobody and haven't killed anyone...
Watson is aware of the situation but other than signing on to Alex's list, I'm not aware he's done much else around the net-pen oppostion.

I read the 'Conservation, Fishery Politics... Forum' EVERY DAY!

 

[abbyfireguy]

I wouldn't go near Paul Watson. The man's an arogant fool with no regards for marine safety or laws of the high seas.
I wish the wolves ate him when he did his dumassed thing a few years ago in northern B.C.[xx(]


IAFF Local #18 (Vancouver Fire Rescue)

 

[Dogbreath]

quote:Originally posted by abbyfireguy

I wouldn't go near Paul Watson. The man's an arogant fool with no regards for marine safety or laws of the high seas.

Pretty much Yeah.

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[Enniberg]

Totally agree. Watson's foolish stunts are not going to help, I think that his actions have done more harm than good.

quote:Originally posted by abbyfireguy

I wouldn't go near Paul Watson. The man's an arogant fool with no regards for marine safety or laws of the high seas.
I wish the wolves ate him when he did his dumassed thing a few years ago in northern B.C.[xx(]


IAFF Local #18 (Vancouver Fire Rescue)

www.cobbcanada.ca

 

[abbyfireguy]

We all do have our brain farts and do some silly things one time or another, but, he doesn't seem to care what anyone thinks and marches along on his own agenda.[)]

IAFF Local #18 (Vancouver Fire Rescue)

 

[highlights]

I figured not alot of people out there beleive in Watson and his ways. Tell you what though, he stands up for what he beleives in . Guys out there just like him risking their lives for things that you or I may not be willing to risk. I'm glad the tree huggers are out there. They provide balance for the greed hungry folk that always tend to get there way.

My 2 cents.

 

[highlights]

On that note, tread carefully with the big guys out there including Suzuki. I was at a conference of his some time ago. Seemed like he would be willing to kick the gift horse in the mouth. I was totally on his side and he still managed to jump down my throat . Wow, was I taken aback!. Still has my total support though. My feelings will not get in the way of his task.

Good on him.

 

[Bogman]

No offence intended but they would be the last 2 idiots I would call to get involved

"Who would have ever thought it would be this much fun catching them one at a time"

 

[highlights]

No offence taken. Just talking is all.

 

[phnapa]

quote:Originally posted by highlights

I think Alexandra Mortin needs to call on Paul Watson and Michael Moore to do a trip on our plea to stop fish farms in BC's waters.

I posted this comment here because we all know that barely anyone reads the politics threads.

Thanks guys,

Pleae visit the threads in the politics forum regarding our vanishing salmon stocks!

WE NEED TO ACT!

Im not here to defend fishfarms and thier practices, but to blame only the farms for the demise of the fish stocks may be detrimental in the long run. If we blame only them and focus our attentions to only them we may be missing other causes of the decline. The nass and skeena run were way lower than projected this year as well, and there is not a fishfarm to be found around there!!!
The complete mess the fraser is in must have a negative effect on the stocks, farm pesticides, sewage, mill and factory waste, the continual loss of foreshore habitat and growth to housing, the gravel bar removal projects that killed thousands of fry, water pumped out for irrigation up the river, etc etc etc all have negative impacts on the fish and thier ability to survive, combined with perhaps the fry not being as storng with the negative effects the lice have on the fish in their early stages, is creating the problems.

The people living in the city need to look in their backyard for problems, and solutions, not just us up on this end of the island!!!

And please as I have said before (im not defending them), the fishfarms are doing what out government allows them to do, they are not breaking rules, or doing anything illeagal. They are regulated and monitored, probably moreso than the sprots sector. If we wantto see changes in the farms, we should be lobbying the government, not the farms, they will continue to do what the government allows them to!!

 

[IronNoggin]

The LAST</u> man you want involved is Watson. Really.
I had the misfortune of having to deal with this clown on several occasions in the past - a couple times in the Yukon (complete bust on their part btw), over the whole Inuit whaling matter, and a couple of other fronts over that time I was working at my "real" career.
I found him to be arrogant, aggressive, self-serving, more than willing to lie openly to further what ever cause he decided was worth his rather warped sense of call to duty, and in fact downright criminal in many of his actions. Therefore, I cannot think of a worse "champion" for this, or really any other cause.

And of course phnapa makes a very valid point: While the farms are most likely one of several contributing factors to the decline of wild salmon stocks (as well as some other fairly serious negative impacts) they are NOT</u> the only one. And yes, while I do believe it is worthwhile to pursue much tighter restrictions and or their complete elimination from our waters, we must not focus solely upon that as the overall solution to the problems our salmon stocks face. Rather we must keep the fire to the toes of DFO and the General Public to work HARD towards defining what these other constrictions may be, and strive to alleviate them where and when we can. Without Watson or any other such Idiot's involvement.

Cheers,
Nog

 

[cohochinook]

The way I look at it is there is evidence that Fish Farms adversely impact Wild Salmon. Is this the only thing that impacts Wild Salmon negatively? NO! Should we be concerned about fish farms? YES! Is it going to help our Wild Salmon if we lobby our Federal Government to recognize the problem and not be promoting growth of the Fish Farming Industry? YES

This is one piece in the puzzle that we have some control over. Let's not forget all the other issues or concerns, but let's not sit back and say bring more Fish Farms to BC as the Federal Fisheries Minister and DFO want to do. You can see where their priorties lie. If you haven't seen this video clip yet you have to watch it:
http://saveourrivers.tv/dfo_aquanor_hires.html

 

[phnapa]

quote:Originally posted by cohochinook

The way I look at it is there is evidence that Fish Farms adversely impact Wild Salmon. Is this the only thing that impacts Wild Salmon negatively? NO! Should we be concerned about fish farms? YES! Is it going to help our Wild Salmon if we lobby our Federal Government to recognize the problem and not be promoting growth of the Fish Farming Industry? YES

This is one piece in the puzzle that we have some control over. Let's not forget all the other issues or concerns, but let's not sit back and say bring more Fish Farms to BC as the Federal Fisheries Minister and DFO want to do. You can see where their priorties lie. If you haven't seen this video clip yet you have to watch it:
http://saveourrivers.tv/dfo_aquanor_hires.html

I feel the only way to change the way the farm do their business is to be more proactive in offering a solution that will work for all concerned. As a group we need to do some fundraising, get some INDEPENDANT studies done , get results, and offer solutions which will allow wild stocks to improve, and the fishfarms to continue , without them being the only loosers in the deal. weather it be financial retribution to help them move to closed pens , higher tarrifs on inported product so they can maintain their profitability with fewer farms??? Im not sure , but telling them to stop wont do it.
They have invested billions of dollars in infrastructure, to do what they have been allowed to do, they will not just scarp it without a huge fight or compensation.

 

[SnapperAttacker]

^ I guess your right fish farms dont affect wild salmon, after Norway started farming thier oceans the wild salmon population just moved over to Sweden I guess, Canadas fish are just moving over to Russia I would assume untill Russia installs a thousand fish farms.

 

[cohochinook]

quote:Originally posted by phnapa

quote:Originally posted by cohochinook

The way I look at it is there is evidence that Fish Farms adversely impact Wild Salmon. Is this the only thing that impacts Wild Salmon negatively? NO! Should we be concerned about fish farms? YES! Is it going to help our Wild Salmon if we lobby our Federal Government to recognize the problem and not be promoting growth of the Fish Farming Industry? YES

This is one piece in the puzzle that we have some control over. Let's not forget all the other issues or concerns, but let's not sit back and say bring more Fish Farms to BC as the Federal Fisheries Minister and DFO want to do. You can see where their priorties lie. If you haven't seen this video clip yet you have to watch it:
http://saveourrivers.tv/dfo_aquanor_hires.html

I feel the only way to change the way the farm do their business is to be more proactive in offering a solution that will work for all concerned. As a group we need to do some fundraising, get some INDEPENDANT studies done , get results, and offer solutions which will allow wild stocks to improve, and the fishfarms to continue , without them being the only loosers in the deal. weather it be financial retribution to help them move to closed pens , higher tarrifs on inported product so they can maintain their profitability with fewer farms??? Im not sure , but telling them to stop wont do it.
They have invested billions of dollars in infrastructure, to do what they have been allowed to do, they will not just scarp it without a huge fight or compensation.

Put them on land out of the ocean. The Government could give them a 100 years lease on some land in a remote area for $1000/year. Move the pens into closed containers and you eliminate the sea lice issue. The fish farm industry can grow, you eliminate loss of Salmon through net pen breaks and seal attacks. The industry no longer has to spend huge $$ fighting with concerned citzens like us. They could even generate power from small stream to run the facility.

 

[Jencourt]

I agree with cohochinook on putting them inland.There is lots to consider wen doing so though. The first that comes to my mind is waist disposal and possible impact on our water shed if not managed well.Have to think by going to a completely closed pen system it would make the whole thing safer and easier to "get it right" this time. I have no background in biology or water and land management, But it seems to me if they remove the possibility of escape and disease release into our ocean it will make it easier to concentrate on the other problems our salmon stocks are facing. Not to mention that Those who are proffiting from the farms should flip the bill not our tiny budget we have to manage our "treasure" that is our pacific salmon.

No place I would rather be (FISH ON)

 

[vetteman]

For those of you who are interested and live in the mid Vancouver Island area,Ian Roberts will be the guest speaker at the October 27th meeting of the Nanaimo F & G Club.Mr.Roberts is the Communications Manager for Marine Harvest Canada which is the largest fish farm company in BC.It should be an interesting meeting to say the least.
Dave

 

[Rum Buddies]

can you say fireworks!

http://www.fishingvancouverisland.org - a new Fishing forum

 

[cohochinook]

This Friday, September 11th, Dr. Tony Farrell will be presenting "Sea lice on very juvenile pink salmon: just a drag or holey terrors?"

Time: 11am

Location: AERL 120







Dr. Farrell is a UBC Professor at both the Department of Zoology and the Faculty of Land and Food Systems. He is also the Research Chair of the Centre for Aquaculture and Environmental Research (CAER). Extensively published and a recipient of numerous awards, Dr. Farrell’s research focuses on integrative and comparative animal physiology, particularly with respect to cardiorespiratory physiology and stress tolerance in salmonids.



Please join me in welcoming Dr. Farrell.

I look forward to seeing you all this Friday.





Brooke Campbell

FISH 500 Coordinator



Fisheries Centre, University of British Columbia

Supported by the Ministry of Environment, Province of BC




Fish farms put squeeze on marine resources
The Globe And Mail
Wed Sep 9 2009
Page: L1
By: Sarah Boesveld
Link to full text

Half of the fish eaten globally is now farm-raised, but the surge in fish farming has put a significant strain on marine resources, a new international study has found. The study is co-authored by Tony Farrell, a professor of biology at UBC and research chair of sustainable aquaculture at the DFO- UBC Centre for Aquaculture and Environmental Research.

Fishmeal and fish oil, made from wild forage fish such as anchovies, have long fed farmed Atlantic salmon and other carnivorous fish. But consumer demand for long-chain omega-3 fatty acids has caused the aquaculture industry to balloon, squeezing the fish-food supply so far that alternatives must be relied upon to avoid a forage fish wipeout.

Farrell says that in order to be sustainable, farms should fix fish-feed diets to be 80 per cent alternative nutrients and 20 per cent fishmeal and fish oil. That way, the salmon still get the oils they need, but the forage fish supplies won't be depleted.