Another anchoring thread
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Dave S
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I'd stay away from that set up Gypseas.
wolf
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I use a 5 kg bruce and have been in rock it comes off no problem make sure you pull the same way as the way you set if it gets wedged thats why the zap strap system hell im lucky if the zaps break one or 2 times a year the bruce is the way to go in "my opinion" ive tryed them all over 20 years and love the bruce. but make your own decision Ive personally havent lost a system in about 15 years and the last one was off albert head and it wasnt a rock that hooked me up it was something else no matter what you had it was going to be lost NOW i stay away from that spot, I think i remember optimist getting it last year.....
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bushwackin
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To the experienced guys here, that first youtube clip is exactly how I pull my anchor up. Is that not safe? It's hung up before and just gently pulls the bow around, keep in mind I'm only doing 6 or 8 mph. Can't even notice a difference in steering. Have also done it in pretty good swells and chop. I thought it was actually safer than pulling from the stern. I heard the interview of the lone survivor of those 4 NFLer's that died in that accident down in Florida a few years ago. He said they got their anchor stuck on the bottom and couldn't break it loose. They didn't want to cut it and lose another 3 or 4 hundred bucks he said like they had to do the week before. So they choked up on the rope and pulled in as much slack as they could (so they were directly above the anchor with no slack) then tied it off to a stern cleat. Then he gunned it. He said within about one second the bow went straight up in the air the boat flipped upside down. They tried hanging on to the leg of the boat for 14 to 16 hours 50 or 60 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico. Didn't tell anyone where they went etc... The next day the coast guard finally found the boat, still upside down and anchored, with only the one guy left.
I realize with that bow to stern line, nobody is pulling directly from the stern and of course not directly above the anchor with no slack like those guys did. Just want to learn someone insight from the experienced guys (I am not) if what I am doing by pulling from the bow cleat is safe. I've done it at least 25 or 30 times now over 3 or 4 years and had no problem. I appreciate any advice.
Having a bow to stern line that a clip slides along allows quicker detachment from the anchor if a problem ever happens. For most boats it also allows easier control by one person of both the anchor gear and the helm = safer. If you ever get out on a boat using this system and see it first hand you will understand the advantages right away. I would suggest adding a bow to stern line and give it a try and judge for yourself.
bushwackin
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Do you run that line right back to the stern so it parelells the entire boat?
Reading the anchoring threads and just had to put in my too bits. Long ago when I was 18+ Bennie took me under his wing and showed me how to do it. Him and I had all the spots to ourselves. I do not have a sliding eye running down my boat, there are many ways to anchor I am sure but I am using Benny's idea 20 years later without issue. I use the same recovery with a scothchman (ball), all you need is a shackle on the ball and another on the end of the anchor rope, this will not pass through the ball shackle. Then tape in 2 stainless welding rods on the rope 1 and 2 ft from the chain, these catch the ball and hold up during retrieval. My tag (boat to ball) line goes over the bow beside the bow cleat and then runs on the deck down my boat to the midship cleat. I have second smaller scotchmen that have quick clips on them. When chasing a big fish, wanting to drift or get the hell out of the way, snap the ball to the end of the tag line take it of the cleat and drop in the ocean, you then drift back of and away from the anchor. When pulling just drive forward and up beside the scotchmen, the rope lays down the boat side, if the anchor gets stuck when the boat slows the bow is pulled toward the anchor-never my stern. I do not mess with zip ties or any other mess, just buy a slipping danforth, they are designed to pull from the butt end and come up upside down. They are also the same price and available at all stores, mine is 13 lb. Just my bit.
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Foxsea
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Yep - happened to us many years ago (17' boat) near Race Rocks - total effin nightmare when the tide turned, and quick it did. No way that Danforth anchor was giving up. Tried more throttle but it felt like it was making things worse - the prop was cavitating. You know how the trim tab people warn about bow-down trim and steering? Finally (like 15 sec.s later) I cut the line and thanked God for a sharp knife - the bow was almost awash. The A-1 went under - un freekin believeable, until you see it happen. That's a memoroid, in my Jason and Freddy album - scary. Thought the hali's would get their revenge that day.
Ofishal
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I watched an old geezer, trying for his first time to anchor, he checked all the guys gear on the dock at pedder bay, went out and figured it would be easy after watching a few of us do it from afar!
WELLLLLLLL, he threw all the ground tackle over board and started to back up and wouldnt you know it........the rope rode lassoed is mid cleat and with the tide still ripping as it does in the JDF the anchor BITES........ oops now he's sideways and slowly taking on water, which was about to change to taking on water in a hurry, I had to get on the radio and tell him to cut it free, cuz he was trying to unhook it from the cleat "No I just bought it " he says, So I radio back ......"do you ever wanna chance to pay for it?" He cut it right quick, Its dangerous ***** if it isnt done right!!
WELLLLLLLL, he threw all the ground tackle over board and started to back up and wouldnt you know it........the rope rode lassoed is mid cleat and with the tide still ripping as it does in the JDF the anchor BITES........ oops now he's sideways and slowly taking on water, which was about to change to taking on water in a hurry, I had to get on the radio and tell him to cut it free, cuz he was trying to unhook it from the cleat "No I just bought it " he says, So I radio back ......"do you ever wanna chance to pay for it?" He cut it right quick, Its dangerous ***** if it isnt done right!!
scott craven
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One crucial step prior to anchoring anywhere, check your drift speed carefully.
give it more than 10 seconds, check it out for a couple minutes.
If your drift is more than 2 knots(less wind speed) don't bother throwing the hook over.
give it more than 10 seconds, check it out for a couple minutes.
If your drift is more than 2 knots(less wind speed) don't bother throwing the hook over.
SerengetiGuide
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2 knots is the general consensus on too much? I've drifted at 1.4 and thrown the the anchor and the ball was about half under and even that made me a lil nervous...not sure if I'd want to go over 1.5knots
TelStar26
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Could you elaborate on this for me?
TelStar26
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I learned this one a couple weeks ago off race rocks. I checked the direction we were drifting, But wasnt conscious about the speed. Over goes the anchor, she hooks up, all seems good..... but then my bud says: The scottsman gone!! To deep to even see it! Big rookie mistake that will Never happen again. We pulled the anchor and set it about 6 times that morning....... ******* Retards........
Good Practice I suppose.
And Ive got a question while this discussion is still live, When we were off race that weekend, the wind started kicking up pretty good before we left. I noticed on some of the larger waves my bow would start to just tuck into the top of the occasional big wave. Is this the start of my boat being pulled under, or is this just what happens in a large tight chop. I have what i was told is a storm anchor on my bow, I dont use it, but was told it could be used in a nasty storm or if the boat dies and im drifting sideways in a tigh chop or drifting towards the rocks. This could be incorrect, but it made me think the occasional wave over the bow would happen of course if i was useing a storm anchor in a storm... Again, Im a rookie
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with the anchor hooked up ,and some windage and current pulling the boat ,larger waves can crest over the bow,you would only be pulled down if the the waves could start filling your boat,such as larger waves going over the windshield,as the boat filled ,the farher you go down ,the more water in.Something to keep an eye on ,and considering pulling the anchor
Foxsea is referring to a condition which results from a boat with Trim Tabs being over-trimmed when the tabs have been deflected too far. This can results in serious bow plowing as you bring up the power and attempt to bring the boat up on plane. It can also result in what is called bow steer which forces the boat into a sharp turn no matter what you do with the helm and the more power you bring on the worse it gets. In a bad over trim situation the boat is un-steerable until the trim is corrected and If you managed to get it over trimmed at high speed it could become unstable. It can be scary and dangerous.
To correct tap “bow up” to adjust tabs and then correct for any side to side balance issues. Basic rule for trim tabs is to tap the controls in short taps and let the boat react before taping again until you get the desired degree of trim. When up on plane never hold down and keep depressed one of the tab controls. Did this once because like a dumb kid sometimes I just like to see what will happen. The boat keep going straight but in a heartbeat banked severely right up on one side much like what fighter planes do. Pulled off the power and it flopped back down. If you have done it once and are still in one piece, you won’t do it again.
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TelStar26
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I see. Yes this has happend to me once I believe coming around whiffen spit on the plane, The boat yanked so yard and keeled over so far I only barly stayed in my seat. I think I also went for the throttle and smacked it down.
But I have wondered if there is something out of wack with my boat when it comes to curning on the plane. If im up on the command bridge(and maby this is the reason) and I start to turn the sharper I turn the more the boat lays over on its side, I understand this is normal, but it leans soo far over it becomes un nerving, to the point were I have and would Never turn all the way one way while on the plane. I think the boat would just flip over. Is this feeling just exaggerated from being high on the command bridge? Or is the keeling over actually considerly worse and dangerous with an extra 2-3 guys (500lbs) on the command bride? Possibly this boats hull/motor/weight balance is all ****** up? Or maby a combination of all three? or is this normal? Like I said in my above anchoring posts, im a rookie with alot to learn!
And yes, when Im on the plan just a quick little tap of the tab button with make a considerable difference.
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