Another anchoring thread

Well maybe beef up your side cleat then as you know if you think its trouble it will happen LOL if you look at what ive done its attached to my downrigger mount bracket ive learned over the years make everything super strong!!!! if you pull from the same side of your boat put a delegated big beefed up cleat on your boat. Also it just not pulling on the cleat but at the bow to you have both those point taking up the srain evening out the load that bow to stern line is stronger than you think when your anchored its holding your whole boat in current/tide/wind for hours while your fishing there is way more strain then just pulling up your anchor....when your "hooked"on bottom and you pull away a litle pull and (usually) pop off it comes that line will stretch a bit, Im sure someone will put up the pulling load of the different sizes of rode "CHARLIE"???

Now in saying that dont go and hit it at WOT to lift it LOL LOL.. slow and steady wins the race LOL

wolf
 
if you live in sooke i would show you how to set up the the works. with a few things i've learned over the years. pm me
 
OK guys-never anchored and probably never will-I,m just curious about these Zap straps you put between the chain rhode and anchor-are those heavy duty electrical ties and I assume then that since this is ment to break away in case you get stuck then the chain is not directly attached to the anchor? If this is so I imagine you must replace them every year and you must always be on the lookout for cheap anchors. Just trying to understand how you guys do it-the why I understand!
 
the chain is connected to the bottom of the anchor when the zap strap breaks it flips the anchor over and pulls from the bottom.
 
Thanks CO-truly ingenious-I see why you guys say to go out with guys who do this on a regular basis before trying this yourself!!!
 
Heres probably the most rediculous question yet!!! why do you not just drop anchor say 200' so 350' of line set anchor and lock winch? is it becuase and im sure theres 100 reasons not to do it this way. I am sure it has to do with snagging anchor in 15' swells and not being able to release it. Safety 1st? just a rookie looking for knowledge. thanks and much appreciated
 
Bigger boats with a strong power winch can do just that. Most of us sporties aren't set up with that kind of ground line equipment. We are set up at best to anchor up overnight in a shallow protected cove when hard fastened from anchor to the boat. With the hali anchoring set up one person can control both deploying and retrieving the anchor as well as controlling the boat. When hard fastened and without a good power winch, someone has to go forward to pull the anchor while someone else runs the boat.
 
Anchor Weight Guide

BOAT SIZE ANCHOR WEIGHT
Length(ft) Weight(lbs) Bruce(lbs) Danforth*(lbs) Fortress(lbs) Plow(lbs) Yachtsman(lbs)

20-25 2,500 4.4 8-S, 5-H** 4 10 15
26-30 5,000 11 13-S, 12-H 7 15 25
31-35 10,000 11/16.5 22-S, 12-H 7/10 20 35-40
36-40 15,000 16.5 22-S, 20-H 10 25 50
41-45 20,000 22 40-S, 20-H 15 35 65
46-50 30,000 22/44 65-S, 35-H 21 45 75
51-60 50,000 44 85-S, 60-H 32 60 100

Anchor Rode Guide

BOAT SIZE ANCHOR RODE
Length (ft) Weight (lbs) Chain (dia.-inch) Nylon (dia.-inch) Length (ft)

20-25 2,500 3/16 7/16 90
26-30 5,000 1/4 7/16 135
31-35 10,000 5/16 1/2 190
36-40 15,000 3/8 9/16 225
41-45 20,000 7/16 5/8 240
46-50 30,000 1/2 11/16 315
51-60 50,000 9/16 3/4 360

*Danforth is a registered trademark. Similar-style anchors may differ significantly in
performance. **S indicates standard anchor; B indicates high-tensile anchor
 
I use a plow, pretty sure its 20lbs, works really well in sand and gravel...perfect actually! Got it caught in rocks before but then zap's break and comes free easily after some horsepower. Use 1/2 (or maybe it's 5/8'ths) inch rope as well, never saw this table before but lucked out I guess.

Awesome table FD, very helpful for all.
 
The Fog Ducker said:
Anchor Weight Guide

BOAT SIZE ANCHOR WEIGHT
Length(ft) Weight(lbs) Bruce(lbs) Danforth*(lbs) Fortress(lbs) Plow(lbs) Yachtsman(lbs)

20-25 2,500 4.4 8-S, 5-H** 4 10 15
26-30 5,000 11 13-S, 12-H 7 15 25
31-35 10,000 11/16.5 22-S, 12-H 7/10 20 35-40
36-40 15,000 16.5 22-S, 20-H 10 25 50
41-45 20,000 22 40-S, 20-H 15 35 65
46-50 30,000 22/44 65-S, 35-H 21 45 75
51-60 50,000 44 85-S, 60-H 32 60 100

Anchor Rode Guide

BOAT SIZE ANCHOR RODE
Length (ft) Weight (lbs) Chain (dia.-inch) Nylon (dia.-inch) Length (ft)

20-25 2,500 3/16 7/16 90
26-30 5,000 1/4 7/16 135
31-35 10,000 5/16 1/2 190
36-40 15,000 3/8 9/16 225
41-45 20,000 7/16 5/8 240
46-50 30,000 1/2 11/16 315
51-60 50,000 9/16 3/4 360

*Danforth is a registered trademark. Similar-style anchors may differ significantly in
performance. **S indicates standard anchor; B indicates high-tensile anchor
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Seems most of these guidelines are for the typical sailor to anchor overnight with. As Halibut fisherman we are often using much less rope which means we need to give something back in terms of over-sized anchors and chain to maintain holding power.

My boat is only 17 feet and according to the chart if I'm reading it correctly it says a 4.4lb Bruce is more than adequate. No way. I use an 11 pound anchor, 30 feet of 5/16 chain, and 1/2 rope. Also this chart lists length as the last column for rode - is it referring to the chain and rope together, as I understand rode is both of them? If so, seems weird they give a fixed length for that when water depth is going to be the deciding factor.
 
SoH,

Not an experty by any means but I think you may find that you may have considerably more holding power by going down to a 3/8" rope if only using an 11 lbs anchor. That extra 1/8" will create a lot more drag than you think. You wouldn't break a 3/8" line on a 17'er guarenteed. I believe its 1/8" for every 9', so you could use a 1/4" line, but 3/8 is easier to handle. And yes I was taught that rode is technically anchor and chain but again, I'm not an expert.
 
these are overnight ratings " Average Conditions ", Yes , go up a size for our fishing needs...

fd


TheSookesOfHazzard said:
Seems most of these guidelines are for the typical sailor to anchor overnight with. As Halibut fisherman we are often using much less rope which means we need to give something back in terms of over-sized anchors and chain to maintain holding power.

My boat is only 17 feet and according to the chart if I'm reading it correctly it says a 4.4lb Bruce is more than adequate. No way. I use an 11 pound anchor, 30 feet of 5/16 chain, and 1/2 rope. Also this chart lists length as the last column for rode - is it referring to the chain and rope together, as I understand rode is both of them? If so, seems weird they give a fixed length for that when water depth is going to be the deciding factor.
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Check with Kevin at Harbour Chandler in Nanaimo to get a copy of an easy to understand drawing showing the details of how the setup is done using two rings.

F D
 
I'm having some 3/8 re-bar anchors made for rocky bottom. They will be like a 4 tong grapple hook...the idea is that they will easily grab onto rock and if they get stuck will easily bend straight and free themselves. The re-bar is strong enough to hold while fishing but soft enough to reshape back into a usable shape if straightened. Should be cheap to make as well and not a big deal to loose in a worst case scenario.
 
Shepnoir said:
SoH,

Not an experty by any means but I think you may find that you may have considerably more holding power by going down to a 3/8" rope if only using an 11 lbs anchor. That extra 1/8" will create a lot more drag than you think. You wouldn't break a 3/8" line on a 17'er guarenteed. I believe its 1/8" for every 9', so you could use a 1/4" line, but 3/8 is easier to handle. And yes I was taught that rode is technically anchor and chain but again, I'm not an expert.
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You are most definitely right! Only reason I'm using such big rope is due to the deal I got it for. 3/8 would be more than adequate for my needs and easier to store in the boat. If anybody out there has a bigger rig who wants thicker rope and wants to trade let me know!

That said surprisingly I haven't had any trouble holding bottom, as I expected I would for the same reasons you mentioned. That is, after I switched to a Bruce from a Danforth. The Danny didn't seem to work well for me!
 
anyone tried this technique?

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