Aluminum Reel's..Islander, Trophy, RST etc...

I'm with Cheech. Our Daiwa M1Plus reels have been perfect. At $55 [Wholesale Sports Nanaimo], you could buy a brand new one every year for a decade before you spend as much as you would on a single Islander! But you won't have to because they seem pretty bullet proof. And if one isn't, $55 is easy...
 
I use Daiwa-M1-Plusses (2).

I fish normally around 180 to 250ft deep.

And I get line creep sometimes.

jacking them up tight so there is no line creep means when fish on you have to back them off....so you have to be quick on the trigger or you lose fish.

I service my reels all the time. depending on how I lube/dry the washers is what gives me more or less line line creep.

If too wet.....they slip too much.
if too dry..... then I get "knee-jerk' drag response whehn fish hits.

It's a fine balancing act....setting drag so that the line does not creep...but still is loose enough for fish strike.

Some days I've had 'em cranked down so tight you couldn't tighten them up anymore.

On the M-1's it is sometimes a bee-otch tightening the drag as it seems they will tighten up to a certain point and then no more......or they will resist tightening up at all....

I run 20lb. main, which seems to cut drag a little....if I go heavier--then more drag.

But.......if I'm towing jellyfish or seaweed/algae, then too much drag/creep so time to haul up and clean the line off.
 
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personally I love my Islanders. Any reel will do the job as long as your maintain them. I see so many people who neglect their gear and assume its the products fault. I have seen every aluminum reel out there "creep" when there not taken care of. I have both MR2's and MR3's. Brand new fisherman and guests prefer the MR3's in my personal opinion. Better line pick up for the novice. I wasnt really impressed with the RST reel. The drag knob is located on the back like as fly reel and I didnt like how recessed the knob was. Plus the Price is way to high.

Creeping is not a maintenance issue Islander has been trying to stop the creep in a friends MR2 reel. So far Islander has been unsuccessful in doing so. Islander for the most part, is the measure and bling in today's market. Everything else that resembles it in the aluminum class of reels is a knock off. Hence the design of the RST reel, a reel that stands on it's own, but not without design flaws. The RST is the same price as an Islander MR3, but the inner drag system of the RST is far superior, to any other, but the drag knob is in an odd position for traditional fisherman. The main flaw in it's unique design is the clicker pawl release switch, it is too easy to knock it into free spool if not paying attention. It has three sealed bearings as apposed to two in the Islander and the RST has the smoothest drag for fighting fish that I have ever used.

I still love my MR3, but abuse it to the ends of the earth...I have never maintained it, ever. I used to lube my MR2's every year before I sold them. I like Islander personally.

The new reel that I was given to try and blow up will become a new contender in our market place. I believe once they have taken my advice into production they will become the new standard in mid-line reels. The TREND Mooching Specialist is the closest reel that I have used that I would even consider being close to an MR3 Islander. You will be shocked at the retail price when it hits the streets. The original MRSP was $349-$399 which I thought was good, the new investment price will be better making it damn near impossible to beat.

I will continue to try and break it over the winter. I'll keep you posted, when I get home, I will post some break down shots comparing the TREND to an MR3.

DHA.
 
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I’ve had Shimano 1000,2000 and 4000gts for over 20 years and some are that old. I love my old Shimano’s but bought a 4000gt a month ago to replace an old Diawa M-One I hated right from day one.

I figured the new reel would become one of my first two go to reels when I was by myself only fishing two rods. I used it once and did not like the drag system whatsoever. I found if I cranked down on it to prevent line creep you have to turn the drag a lot more revolutions than the old reels to make any noticeable difference, same thing backing off. I really thought there was something wrong with the reel so first chance I got was today to return it to Nikka for warranty.

I was a little disappointed to find all the new Shimano drag systems are like that. Maybe it’s something you get use to but I had newbies telling me they didn’t like that reel compared to my old ones.

Got my money back but couldn’t suck up the cost of an MR3 for $599.00. They had the Trophy QR on sale $100.00 off so that’s what I walked out with. It felt nice in the store. Time will tell but for $259.99 I figured I’d give it a shot.
 
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Not trying to derail the tread, but - Alvey makes an excellent saltwater fly reel ( http://www.alvey.com.au/default.asp?contentID=408 )
It's a composite body but has a multi plate ( 7 discs ) drag system that has worked great for me the last 4 years...I've fished them everywhere from Milbanke Sound to Swiftsure - paid $ 90 AUS for them direct from their site

Just an alternative to consider...
 
Like wolf said in Victoria winter and summer the trophy is sweat, l also like my hardy but it comes

with lots of up keep, but l love the sound of a screaming real !
 
I have used trophys for the last few years and I really do love how smooth they are,but saying this I have had my problems ie bent drag springs handles falling off,becoming stripped so I cant even put them back on.I have talked to the rep and the reason the handle fall off is bcause they are not lock tighted down,he assures me that if you buy a new one they will have lock tight.Im going to put islander handles on one this winter and try it out heard that is the way to go.. So my recommendation is to lock tight your handles then they should work really well for you,also i fish deep sometimes 250 so the no line creep is essential for me drives me nuts one benefit for the trophy.... just my two cents from experience.

Tight lines
Billydoo
 
any saltwater capable 'fly' reel can also do double duty as a mooching reel. no need to keep buying more gear, unless you just have to add to your collection, and the fly reels are not only bullet proof but actually designed to deal with true BIG, tough trophy saltwater fishes, salmon don't count!
 
My experience with some saltwater fly reels (i.e. Reddington, STH, Pflueger, Leeda) is that the drag mechanisms many times are not strong enough for continued use in downriggers are 100+ foot depths (i.e. they creep like crazy and quickly wear out the drag). Anybody else have similar issues?
 
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I have been reading the forum for a while and finally decided to add something to this thread. The big problem with all of the machined aluminum reels on the market is they are all direct copies of islander reels. Therefore the exhibit almost all of the same problems as islander reels. The only exception to this is the RST reel which uses a different and much better drag material, woven carbon fiber. I have had the chance to use both the MR2 and MR3 for hundreds of days in the most extreme fishing situations possible, fishing deep and lots of springs. I have come to know their faults very well.
What I have noticed is that all of the islanders and knock off reels used deep groove radial bearings which are not designed to take axial load developed by the drag mechanism. This leads to chronic bearing failure in reels that are fished regularly with the drag tight such as in down rigging situations.
The second flaw is the cork drag surface which when lubricated properly works quite well. When even a small amount of water is introduced then you have inconsistent operation, i.e. drag slipping/locking up. This is more of a problem in the reels with a ported back, i.e. the MR3 and by the looks of it the new reel which DHA is testing. It is pretty simple, the more holes you add to a reel the more ways there are for water to get in.
Another problem is the surface which the cork slides against, an anodized aluminum surface. When lowered on the rigger even with a small amount of drag the hard finish can be removed. This takes many cycles and leads to a number of problems. Once the finish is removed the soft aluminum is exposed and vaunerable to corrosion. I have serviced my fair share of MR3’s and almost all have had this problem in varying stages. DHA, I am pretty sure if you were to take your MR3 apart this would be evident. This problem is less noticeable in the MR2 because it has the free spool lever which when used reduces the wearing period to only when a fish is taking line. I do have guide buddies who don’t use this function on their MR2’s and they have serious finish loss and some corrosion on the part of the spool which rests against the cork drag.
All of these design flaws which can be found in islanders show up in the knock off reels as they are just exact copies. The companies who are building these reels offshore need to actually do some engineering of their own instead of just copying the drag and bearing arrangement from an islander. The only reel which looks interesting is the RST as the manufacturer looks to have taken the time to fix some of the flaws found in all of the current production reels, i.e. carbon fiber drag material which will provide and much longer trouble free life than cork.
This subject is quite interesting to me as I am a mechanical engineering student and fishing guide in t he Hiada Gwaii who spends allot of time with islander products. I know this is one heck of a long post for my first but I figured I would share my thought on the subject.
 
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Very good observations and reasonings, mikep. Makes good sense what you say. Sounds like a promising new recruit for some reel manufacturer! :)
 
For comox valley residents.... having the RST rep. in town is cool. Talked to him this afternoon about some issues I have with one of their reels, he totally listened and was willing to discuss with me. Some of the changes they have potentially coming, although minor, almost make me wish I had waited for the 2nd gen.
I am awaiting outcome, as parts come from germany so not a "next day" scenario.... time will tell. FYI- not drumming the brand up here, I am looking for a Rapala reel in the buy/sell section and trying to get enough people interested in a batch of green MR-2's.... I just like good gear.
 
that is great information mikep welcome to the forums seems like you have alot of experience with islanders,I do have to buy a few more reels for next year and im going to wait to make my decision in the new year. Reely like the look of those rst reels but I need to see them fist hand thanks again for the info.

Tight lines
Billydoo
 
Thanks Mikep for the feedback. Looking to develop a larger arbour version of the NC-1. Will pass along some of your observations and a few ideas of my own to help develop a better mouse trap over the MR3. The NC-1 has come a long way since original development. The cost is way less than an MR3, plus it has a real drag that screams when you get a hog.
 
@searun,

Developing a new reel will not happen over night. When Al Balhumer(sorry if my spelling is off) started the original project by modeling it after the MR2, there was no MR3 on the market at that time. So it has taken this long to bring out the NC1(well over five years), it may be a little quicker the second round building a larger arbor reel, but with the size of this market your influence will have little to do with getting a new version out any time soon. Sales are the only thing that will show whether or not a company will move into the next phase. So, get selling, or it won't happen. Just a few shared facts from my history of being here and working in the industry. I have been on all sides of the fence and it is still the same as it ever was... ;)

DHA.
 
Actually Al wasn't involved in the development and testing of the NC-1. Dave Neill from Rapala is running the program. He was just over meeting with the manufacturer looking at specs for the new reel. Yes it will take some time to develop then test the product. I expect that we will know fairly soon if the manufacturer can come up with a number of proto-types for us to test. The NC 1 was really only 2+ years in development. I expect the process will take about the same time or less because we have solved most of the early problems encountered. Larger arbour reel development will be far easier than the first time out of the gate. The "reel" test is to see if we develop a product that is worth bringing to market. If the quality isn't there, it won't be coming.
 
Actually Al wasn't involved in the development and testing of the NC-1. Dave Neill from Rapala is running the program. He was just over meeting with the manufacturer looking at specs for the new reel. Yes it will take some time to develop then test the product. I expect that we will know fairly soon if the manufacturer can come up with a number of proto-types for us to test. The NC 1 was really only 2+ years in development. I expect the process will take about the same time or less because we have solved most of the early problems encountered. Larger arbour reel development will be far easier than the first time out of the gate. The "reel" test is to see if we develop a product that is worth bringing to market. If the quality isn't there, it won't be coming.

Oh, my mistake, I always thought that Zebco, Quantum & Rapala were attached. I apologize for the mix up. Al Balhumer(spelling?) did produce a knock off MR2 before he left Zebco/Quantum, and that was well before the MR3 and the NC-1. Hmmm...

DHA.
 
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