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The mission of the Brownstone Institute – which is, in many ways, the spiritual child of the Great Barrington Declaration
https://brownstone.org/about/

That right there is enough for me. Always check the source before going through the trouble of reading it.
Here you go GLG an article about the resignations from MSNBC ….

 
Does this not become a concern? Why not recognize it. It has been proven to be better than the shot.
what reason is there to not?

the us cdc recommends this and the people working in the BC CDC usually parrot the us CDC


Should I get vaccinated if I already had COVID-19?
Yes, you should still be vaccinated because you can become infected more than once. Although you may have some short-term natural protection (known as immunity) after recovering from COVID-19, we don’t know how long this protection will last. Vaccination is the best protection, and it is safe. People who get COVID-19 can have serious illnesses, and some have terrible symptoms that continue for months. If you have had COVID-19, ask your doctor, nurse, or clinic when you should be vaccinated.”
 
the us cdc recommends this and the people working in the BC CDC usually parrot the us CDC


Should I get vaccinated if I already had COVID-19?
Yes, you should still be vaccinated because you can become infected more than once. Although you may have some short-term natural protection (known as immunity) after recovering from COVID-19, we don’t know how long this protection will last. Vaccination is the best protection, and it is safe. People who get COVID-19 can have serious illnesses, and some have terrible symptoms that continue for months. If you have had COVID-19, ask your doctor, nurse, or clinic when you should be vaccinated.”
But now we know that the shot wears out and we are already calling for shot three and four.
Israel says immunity works better.

Something wrong here??
 
the us cdc recommends this and the people working in the BC CDC usually parrot the us CDC


Should I get vaccinated if I already had COVID-19?
Yes, you should still be vaccinated because you can become infected more than once. Although you may have some short-term natural protection (known as immunity) after recovering from COVID-19, we don’t know how long this protection will last. Vaccination is the best protection, and it is safe. People who get COVID-19 can have serious illnesses, and some have terrible symptoms that continue for months. If you have had COVID-19, ask your doctor, nurse, or clinic when you should be vaccinated.”
I’ll take my chance at getting Covid again and having natural antibodies since data shows that my risk of recovery is 99.978%

I’ll take that chance
 
What I find interesting is Vancouver costal and Fraser health have pretty low case counts per population. Why??? Is there some natural immunity now at play because that’s where the majority of the infections were?

The regional breakdown of new cases is as follows:

  • 237 new cases in Fraser Health, which has 1,948 total active cases.
  • 153 new cases in Interior Health, which has 1,583 total active cases.
  • 102 new cases in Vancouver Coastal Health, which has 1,030 total active cases.
  • 86 new cases in Island Health, which has 627 total active cases.
  • 99 new cases in Northern Health, which has 964 total active cases.
 
Long, long, long-time Sportfishing BC lurker here. I believe in shutting up when the experts are talking, so I haven't had much to say on these forums over the years.....too busy listening to the experts. :)

I found out today that a fantastic buddy of mine since the third grade - a brother - was diagnosed with prostate cancer in Nov 2020, and it is at the point where it severely & urgently requires surgery. It's past medication and radiation. He's 52. Two amazing, brilliant young daughters in university and a doting loving wife. He cannot get to the front of the line, and the simple reason he has been told is because of the lack of staffing 100% due to medical personnel being shifted to the COVID ICU's, plus the backlog of other surgeries considered more urgent than him. This guy is a first-responder that has served this province with dedication his entire professional career and if there were favours that could be called in by the public servant community he should be near the top of the list but he can't and the prognosis looks like crap. I'm heartbroken.

Not looking for any sympathy or *any* comments in return - I'd prefer to get zero responses to tell you the truth.

But I just wanted to share that I have a whole whack of hurt, resentment and intolerance towards the antivaxxers at the moment. This hits home more than you can possibly imagine. We are all sick of this BS and we all want the pandemic to be over and done with as soon as possible. Why you would want to prolong this pandemic and inflict the suffering on the innocent, the broader community & society in general is just beyond me.

Sorry for my rant. Enjoy your evening.
 
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It's been around since the 80's
Well, because I’ve made it a point out of necessity to study cancer treatments I’ve read about the research of this vaccine in cancer research. I didn’t know it’s been around that long.
 
For those who feel it is their right not to be vaccinated.
"Candace Cay (Kruger) Ayers, 66, passed away on September 3, 2021,
She was vaccinated but was infected by others who chose not to be.
The cost was her life."
If your not vaccinated yet, please "just do it" as they say in the sporting world
 
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Well, because I’ve made it a point out of necessity to study cancer treatments I’ve read about the research of this vaccine in cancer research. I didn’t know it’s been around that long.
I forget where I first read about it, but here is an article from the University of Alabama
https://www.uab.edu/news/youcanuse/...could-anything-developed-this-quickly-be-safe

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines: How could anything developed this quickly be safe?​




  • May 25, 2021




Written by: Moon Nahm, M.D.
Media contact: Jeff Hansen


Covid-19 RNA vaccine, illustration. The vaccine consists of strands of mRNA (messenger ribonucleic acid) encased in a lipid nanoparticle sphere (red) surrounded by a polyethylene glycol coat (violet). The mRNA codes for a mutated version of the viral spike protein found on the surface of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus that causes Covid-19. When injected into the body the mRNA is taken up by the body's cells, which manufacture copies of the protein. The proteins stimulate an immune response, causing the body to produce antibodies against the spike protein. This means that the body is primed to attack the virus should it be encountered after vaccination, preventing disease. The first RNA vaccine approved for human use, developed against the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus by Pfizer/BioNTech, was approved in the UK on 2nd December 2020.
COVID-19 vaccines were not developed overnight. Here are the astounding stories behind mRNA vaccines.How could anything developed this quickly be safe?
For many Americans, the arrival of COVID-19 vaccines less than a year after the pandemic began is, quite literally, unbelievable. That skepticism, in turn, is contributing to hesitancy to get the shot — especially among those concerned that the most widely used COVID-19 vaccines rely on messenger RNA, or mRNA, to induce protection. This is the first time that any mRNA vaccine has been approved for human use.
But the development of mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 is no overnight success. In fact, they have a remarkable back story stretching back decades. Without one researcher’s determination, two companies with vision, a longtime network of university labs, and decades of taxpayer funding in treatments for influenza and HIV, particularly by the United States’ National Institutes of Health, COVID-19 vaccines might still be years away. Even then, it took a massive, unprecedented investment by the U.S. government to get these shots from labs into arms faster than ever before.
The remarkable success we have seen over the past few months in slowing the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States can be traced back to these four parallel stories and one big bet from the U.S. government.

1. mRNA vaccines: an idea more than 30 years in the making​

When Katalin Karikó, Ph.D., came to the United States from Hungary in 1985, she brought with her a passionate determination to work on mRNA. Messenger RNA is fundamental to life: sets of blueprints, spelled out using four nucleotide “letters,” for building every protein in every life form on Earth. Karikó’s big idea was to produce proteins at will by injecting mRNA into cells, but her experiments did not work for a long time. Lack of success forced her to rely on one senior scientist after another to support her work, while she made only meager wages.
In 1998, Karikó partnered with Drew Weissman, M.D., Ph.D., at the University of Pennsylvania. Weissman was interested in developing an HIV vaccine based on mRNA. After many failures, Karikó and Weissman learned that natural mRNAs use small amounts of slightly modified nucleotides, in addition to the four standard nucleotides. When the scientists inserted the modified nucleotides into the mRNAs they were using in their research, they began to find that these modified mRNAs produced proteins efficiently without causing undesirable side effects. They began to publish their findings, starting in 2005. By the time the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 showed up in 2020, Karikó and Weissman were already working on an influenza vaccine based on their mRNA technology.

2. Visionary companies fueled the drive toward mRNA vaccines​

It can take years for lab breakthroughs to become market-ready products, and this is exactly what happened with mRNA. Soon after Karikó and Weissman’s work was published in the mid-2000s, visionary companies recognized the implications of mRNA for vaccines and quickly licensed the technology. Moderna was founded in 2010 to produce vaccines based on the new mRNA technology, and the company had been growing as a vaccine manufacturer when the COVID-19 virus appeared.
Moderna was not the only one working on an mRNA approach to vaccines. BioNTech is a German company established to work on immunotherapies in 2008 by a Turkish couple, who immigrated to Germany. Like Moderna, BioNTech recognized the value of the mRNA technology for vaccine design years ago and licensed the technology. In 2013, BioNTech hired Karikó as a vice president and began to develop mRNA technologies for use against many diseases. BioNTech’s efforts in vaccine development greatly increased in 2018, when Pfizer joined BioNTech’s effort with a research and development agreement to develop mRNA-based vaccines against influenza. It was a natural collaboration because Pfizer, a U.S. company in New York, has been a major vaccine producer for a long time. When the pandemic began, Pfizer/BioNTech immediately turned their attention to developing vaccines against COVID-19.

About Moon Nahm, M.D.​

Moon Nahm is a professor in the Department of Medicine at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, and directs a World Health Organization pneumococcal vaccine reference laboratory. He has studied pneumococcal infections and pneumococcal vaccines for more than 40 years, and is a former member of an NIH Vaccine and Treatment Evaluation Unit.

3. Insights from the fight against flu and HIV were crucial to COVID-19 success​

However, in order to produce vaccines against COVID-19, Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech first needed to identify the right mRNA sequences for proteins that would make suitable vaccine components. COVID-19 virus is similar to the SARS virus of 2003, and previous research of the SARS outbreak suggested potential vaccine components. Nevertheless, exact design of the actual vaccine structure was not a simple task for a small company like Moderna, or even a larger one such as Pfizer, even though the entire COVID-19 virus genome had been published by Chinese researchers in early 2020.
But here is where another decades-long scientific effort paid off: Concern about another influenza pandemic on the scale of the 1918 flu pandemic has long motivated U.S. investment in flu studies, particularly by the NIH. The NIH has also spent more than 40 years funding scientists working toward a vaccine for HIV.
The crucial sequence information needed to target COVID-19 came from a vaccine research laboratory at the NIH. The lab had been working on HIV vaccine designs for decades and had developed algorithms to identify molecular structures optimized for vaccines. This approach also predicted a successful vaccine structure against the respiratory syncytial virus. Harnessing that experience, the NIH group rapidly identified stable molecular structures optimized for the mRNA vaccines against COVID-19.

 

4. NIH investment in vaccine evaluation infrastructure pays off​

For 60 years, the NIH also has maintained a group of about 10 university laboratories throughout the country to help test vaccines against pathogens such as influenza. These clinical and scientific teams, known as Vaccine and Treatment Evaluation Units, or VTEUs, include physicians, researchers and nurses dedicated to vaccine studies and testing. Over the years, the VTEUs also have trained numerous vaccine experts, and some of these have brought their skills to universities, vaccine companies and regulatory agencies. In addition to the VTEU network, the NIH has supported an HIV Vaccine Trials Network and the AIDS Clinical Trials Network. As Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech created their mRNA vaccines against COVID-19, these experts and vaccine study networks were recruited into rapid vaccine testing, and they enlisted tens of thousands of people willing to volunteer as test subjects. To everyone’s pleasant surprise, the mRNA vaccines proved to be extremely effective at preventing moderate and severe forms of the disease, as well as its spread.

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Moon Nahm, M.D. (Photography: Steve Wood)5. American government guaranteed purchases to speed mass production​

Ordinarily, manufacturers wait for proof of efficacy before building the expensive, custom infrastructure and systems needed to produce millions of doses of a new treatment. Why make that investment if the test candidate may fail? But for the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, the U.S. government pledged to purchase millions of doses and provided upfront money, even before the vaccine’s efficacy was determined. This allowed Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech to build mass-production capacity, even as testing was underway.

6. Brave human volunteers​

To gain regulatory approval, a vaccine has to be tested for safety and efficacy in healthy volunteers after being shown safe in animals. Fortunately, hundreds of thousands of people the world over agreed to take the vaccine candidates. Some got a placebo, so that real-life comparisons could be made. After analyzing the massive and detailed data from these volunteers, regulatory agencies gave their nod to the two mRNA vaccines. Importantly, those trial volunteers continue to be monitored for any long-term issues, and to find out how long the COVID-19 immunity lasts.

Determination leads to success​

Thus, America’s ability to rapidly produce COVID-19 vaccines did not result from luck or a short-term effort. The mRNA vaccines we have today were birthed from decades of investment and determination. Karikó’s tenacity still endures today — she rises every morning at 5 a.m. to work in her basement laboratory. Her work, and that of many other dedicated scientists, has benefited the world. Meanwhile, the long-term investment from the NIH and other funding agencies produced the manpower, organization, science and technology that were necessary to produce the vaccines that will help us win the struggle against COVID-19.
 
But you won’t know that. Are you going to ask the staff? From what I know they aren’t required to be vaxxed or prove anything to a customer.
Long, long, long-time Sportfishing BC lurker here. I believe in shutting up when the experts are talking, so I haven't had much to say on these forums over the years.....too busy listening to the experts. :)

I found out today that a fantastic buddy of mine since the third grade - a brother - was diagnosed with prostate cancer in Nov 2020, and it is at the point where it severely & urgently requires surgery. It's past medication and radiation. He's 52. Two amazing, brilliant young daughters in university and a doting loving wife. He cannot get to the front of the line, and the simple reason he has been told is because of the lack of staffing 100% due to medical personnel being shifted to the COVID ICU's, plus the backlog of other surgeries considered more urgent than him. This guy is a first-responder that has served this province with dedication his entire professional career and if there were favours that could be called in by the public servant community he should be near the top of the list but he can't and the prognosis looks like crap. I'm heartbroken.

Not looking for any sympathy or *any* comments in return - I'd prefer to get zero responses to tell you the truth.

But I just wanted to share that I have a whole whack of hurt, resentment and intolerance towards the antivaxxers at the moment. This hits home more than you can possibly imagine. We are all sick of this BS and we all want the pandemic to be over and done with as soon as possible. Why you would want to prolong this pandemic and inflict the suffering on the innocent, the broader community & society in general is just beyond me.

Sorry for my rant. Enjoy your evening.
Very unify for sure
But you won’t know that. Are you going to ask the staff? From what I know they aren’t required to be vaxxed or prove anything to a customer.
They are not required to be vaccinated nor can they be asked about it.

Again, more crazy rules that make no sense

My daughter works in a local restaurant, she does not need to be vaccinated to work there as work is considered “essential” and serve people all day

But on the other hand she can’t go back to this same restaurant that she works at with her friends on her off shift because she’s not vaccinated

Makes ZERO sense
 
Very unify for sure

They are not required to be vaccinated nor can they be asked about it.

Again, more crazy rules that make no sense

My daughter works in a local restaurant, she does not need to be vaccinated to work there as work is considered “essential” and serve people all day

But on the other hand she can’t go back to this same restaurant that she works at with her friends on her off shift because she’s not vaccinated

Makes ZERO sense
the rationale is that she 'needs' that job to pay the rent and her bills, but she 'wants' to eat out with friends but doesn't need to for living day to day. Thats the key distinction in how the government approaches this.
 
latest Ontario data - 7x more likely to get covid in unvaxxed, 22x more likely to end up in ICU
 

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Maybe the unvaccinated should be put at the end of priority line at the hospitals, take care of the vaccinated first as they were doing their part to fight this damn virus
I thought the vaccinated are safe from going to hospitals as they are vaccinated? I wish they would stop using the word vaccine, it should be treatment as polio vaccine you will not get or spread. Same with true vaccines. Btw I am fully vaccinated
 
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