300 suzuki vs 300yammi

spring fever

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Anyone got any feelings on either of these 2 motors-I'm ticked with Yamaha over the mid-section rot problems on the old 225 hp 4 strokes and If I were to spring the big bucks for either of these I don't want to get the one with the problem I didn;t know about again. Thanks
 
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Alot of guys I know are switching to suzukis and are very happy with them after the yamaha fiasco.Service is also a big factor so whatever the choice I definately recommend doing the homework on the dealer. If going towards a Suzuki I certainly recommend checking out breakers in port. Great service.
 
Suzuki makes excellent motors and the 300 is a few hundred pounds lighter than the yammi.

If I were you I would take a look at the Evinrude E-Tec 300. It's only 528lbs (lighter than suzuki and much lighter than yamaha). They have a 5 year warranty and are just as clean, quiet and fuel efficient as the 4-strokes.

Compare Price, Warranty, Dealer location and weight and you might find the E-Tec is the way to go. But if you are set on Suzi or Yammi I'd go with the suzuki.

Cheers
 
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Spring Fever

Since my post on the performance comparison of a Yamaha 300hp (6cyl) V Yamaha 250hp on a 24 Skagit Orca. I now have 135 hours on the 300 hp in 8 months, serviced it once at 100 hrs and no problems so far. My fuel consumption is much lower traveling at 30-32 mph and turning 4200 rpms.

I have the five year warranty plan on the 300 hp and it costs a little extra but saved me on my last 250 hp, when my last 250 hp pinion gear went in the fourth year of operating, Yamaha replaced it no problem.

With Suzuki you will probably find the same as I've noted above so it comes down to $$$ and the DEALER you want to deal with.

Good luck and I'd go with the Yamaha
 
Hey Doug, I ended up buying your old 250 after talking to you. I put another 100hr on it and never one hicup. Real happy with it. If you check out my post on my boat transformation you can see it on there.
 
Tains

Good to hear that the Yamaha is working great. You will probably get another 1500 hrs out of that motor.

I cannot complain about the experience with Yamaha. But the Dealer (Port Boat House) I use always stands behind his sales and has gone to bat for me ever time (lorrance) I've had a problem.

All I can recommend is use the fresh water flush system on your engine and you will save you pump and probably avoid any possible corrosion problems.

Since Yamaha went to the 6 cyl from the 8 cyl 300 hp, the engine ended up being 45+- lb lighter than a 250 Yamaha
 
Would like to enlarge this thread to throw an e-tec into the mix-I confess I know little about them-is there a reason I should consider it as well-price,reliability-fuel savings-or is this a bad walk down the old 2 stroke road?
 
I would put in my 2cent opinion. I have two 250 E-tecs pushing my boat and they are over 300hrs and I have had a shift rod seal give up and was fixed no problem. They start first turn of the fly wheel and troll better than my four stroke Yammy, albeit it is a tad small for my boat and there is nothing really wrong with it. I have a 32ft Wolf boat and they pop it up on plane in seconds and cruise at 30 kts @ 4000rpm. Having spent many yrs working with two strokes I have a fondness for them. I am not able to give an accurate count on fuel consumption but I have seen around 24gph at cruise for both, but don't take that to the bank as it is just a quick peek while running at the flow meters and not averaging overall.
 
I just bought a couple new 200 E-tecs to hang on Captian Kidd for all the good reasons that Gunsmith said.

Gunsmith, Is'nt that boat a little big for Gregoire lake?

Craig
 
The main reason that the Yami larger 4 strokes are no lighter than the competition is that they have gone to a sleeveless block. The cylinder walls are coated aluminum instead of steel inserts. Makes for a lighter engine but also non-rebuildable if a cylinder wall gets scuffed. But that never happens on outboards so not to worry. ;)
 
Profisher

The older Yamaha 300 hp engines were 8 cyl and the new engine are thermally applied plasma fusion on the cyl walls which is 60% stronger than steel. The same as used in formula 1 car for the past years.

This is what sold me on the 300 hp

Here is the web site info http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outboard/v6offshore_micro/discover/features


The next generation of Yamaha V6 four strokes.

They're quicker, stronger, smarter and lighter—with class-leading 4.2L displacement that outperforms comparable four strokes on time-to-plane, cruise speed, weight—even fuel economy.* These are just a few of the design advancements that are putting it miles ahead of the competition.


Design Advancement

Benefit


Next-generation engine block features plasma-fused sleeveless cylinder walls, which are 60% stronger than steel, and much lighter

Displacement is increased without enlarging the outer diameter of the cylinder resulting in class-leading, 4.2L displacement and greater durability, power and torque.


Lightest weight in class, featuring an advanced polymer composite lower pan, a completely new cowling, and substantial internal weight savings; all without sacrificing durability

At 562 pounds, the F300 is 242 pounds lighter than the Yamaha V8 F300 it replaces, and 47 pounds lighter than the Yamaha F250 and F225. It’s also up to 73 pounds lighter than competitive 300hp four stroke outboards.


Micro-textured Cylinder Walls, resulting from the plasma-fusion process

Helps retain motor oil on the cylinder walls, greatly reducing friction and substantially increasing fuel economy and power


14% larger intake, 10% larger exhaust valve area, a new Long Track Intake System and Yamaha-exclusive In-BankTM Exhaust

Engine breathes easier, for substantially quicker time-to-plane than competitive 300hp four stroke outboards and up to 19% faster at cruise (4000 rpm)*, with equivalent or better top speed


Variable Camshaft Timing advances and retards the angle of the intake camshaft

Dramatically increases power and throttle response in the low-and mid-rpm ranges, for unbelievable hole shot and acceleration


Saltwater Series II propeller with patent-pending Shift Dampener System (SDS™)

Legendary performance, but with greatly reduced noise and vibration commonly associated with shifting into gear, for smoother, quieter operation


Single 75mm electronically-controlled throttle valve and Precision Multi-point Fuel Injection System

Ensures the precise amount of air and fuel necessary for optimum power and efficiency—up to 17% better long-range fuel economy at 3500 rpm than other 300hp four strokes*


Dual forward- and side-mounted cooling water inlets

Inlets operate independently (as pairs) to keep the engine cool in a variety of applications and conditions, enhancing reliability


Air Intake Labyrinth System

Traps and drains water that enters the cowling during normal operation, before it enters the engine’s intake, for greater reliability


More powerful under-flywheel marine alternator

70 total amps of charging power—29% more than competitive V6 four stroke outboards—helpful for powering a wide array of on-board electronics
 
I hear the new Yam lightweight "A" series is great, but I know of 4 of them that have had hotter thermostats put in them because of fuel dilution in the oil(The oil goes up as fuel gets in it). The fuel economy savings are true, they are light and they sure seem to run well, but replacing a 140 degree T-Stat with a 175 Degree T-stat to flash off the fuel in the oil sounds like a recipie for disaster, as the reason for the 140 degree units was to prevent the blocks from salting up, but allowing the oil to heat up to a point where it will at least do what it is supposed to do (Read this back when 4-Strokes first came out). Everyone I know who has the new series of Yam's loves them, they are fast and damn efficient (10 GPH on a 32 Foot tinner with an 11 foot beam, that's total for the pair of 300's), the shift by wire is great, but lets get a few hundred hours on them and see. As for rebuildability, I don't think anyone could rebuild a 4 stroke economically (Proper rebuild, oversize slugs, valve job, crank grind, etc etc), so I'm not sure about the argument against a parent bore block, BUT, could the oil dilution be a sign of things to come?
 
They hire me to dredge the lake. Really the boat is in Terrace and will stay there until I sell the house.

I just bought a couple new 200 E-tecs to hang on Captian Kidd for all the good reasons that Gunsmith said.

Gunsmith, Is'nt that boat a little big for Gregoire lake?

Craig
 
A reason I am not a big fan of four strokes is the increased potential of a backfire bringing on serious timing belt or chain jump which is a high potential for major damage. I know that it doesn't happen often but it does happen.
 
I'm also staying with the 2 strokes for now. I'm a Yami guy Doug but I wouldn't make my decision based on Yamaha propaganda alone. I mean are they going to say anything bad about their own product? I hope they prove to be long lasting and trouble free.
 
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