2012 Vancouver, Howe sound and Sunshine coast reports thread

[sir-vivor]

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FYI sir-vivor ,

Resident orcas are salmon eaters and don't bother with seals. Transient orcas hunt and eat seals and have no interest in salmon. Believe it or not the seals and the salmon can tell the difference between resident and transient .

FYI Nooky

You tell that to the seals I seen eaten by a pod of 7 Orcas , at the sand heads , Also, I have witnessed Orcas actually breaching , hitting seals , then younger Orcas playing with dead / disabled seal ................ so loaners are not the only ones attacking seals

 

[Hookin'up]

This thread has been off track so many times I guess one more wont hurt LOL
nooky is correct in his statement
This is a C&P from the orca network

"Orcas have no predators and are capable of ingesting virtually any bite-sized living thing found in the ocean, but residents select only fish (mainly Chinook salmon) and squid to dine upon, while transients never touch a fish or squid, but prey exclusively on seals, sea lions, porpoises, dolphins, and other large whales. Orcas everywhere appear to specialize on certain prey. This way they divide up the available food in the marine ecosystem and avoid competition. Salmon, resident orcas' preferred delicacy, are widely dispersed, so residents are able to travel in large groups across wide expanses. Transients tend to move in their small groups silently, usually around seal haulouts. They silently stalk and outwit their wary food, zig-zaging in unpredictable patterns. The optimum number of orcas in a hunting party is three, since three can most easily detect and surround mammalian prey."

or if you prefer to read yourself
http://www.orcanetwork.org/nathist/transients.html

 

[nooky]

FYI Nooky

You tell that to the seals I seen eaten by a pod of 7 Orcas , at the sand heads , Also, I have witnessed Orcas actually breaching , hitting seals , then younger Orcas playing with dead / disabled seal ................ so loaners are not the only ones attacking seals

Yes Sir-viver , Orcas do hunt,attack and eat seals but only the Transient Orcas. Our residents don't, their diet is mostly chinook and chum salmon.My point is that just because you see seals in the neighborhood doesn't mean there are no Resident Orcas lurking about.

Types of Killer Whales

Scientists divide killer whales into three types: 1) residents, who stay close to shore in a given area, prey mostly on fish and are relatively easy to approach and study; 2) transients, who live in smaller grounds range over a large area and feed mostly on seals, sea lions, dolphins and other marine mammals; and 3) offshore, those who live far out at sea and are still largely mysterious and unstudied, but seem to feed mainly on other whales, sharks and marine mammals.



Residents and transients are genetically distinct and rarely intermix. They have completely different diets and speak different languages. Genetic evidence seems to indicate they last interbred about 10,000 years ago. Around the Crozet Islands near Antarctica is the only place where killer whales have been observed feeding on both mammals and fish. Their preferred prey are elephant seal pups. When the disappear they eat fish.

Resident killer whales have rounded dorsal fins, stay close to the coast, communicate with a variety of noises and make quite a racket. Those that live along British Columbia, cover a range that extends about 3,000 miles. Where there go is often determined by where the salmon are running.

Transients killer whales have pointy more erect dorsal fins, travel in smaller pods, and do not have predictable family lives. They are not often seen but are powerful swimmers, able to cover the distance between southern Alaska and southern Vancouver Island in ten days. They communicate much less than residents and are regarded as quiet stalkers. There tend be less of them than residents. Scientists estimated that of the 3,888 known killer whales living in the Aleutians in 1995, only 7 percent, or 272 animals, were transients.

Offshore killer whales are smaller and have rounded fins. They are generally more nicked up than other orcas. Little is known about them because they spend most of their time far at sea. False killer whales are a separate species that are more dolphin-like, slimmer and darker than killer whales. A mass stranding of 800 of them occurred off the coast of Argentina in the mid-1940s[/I]

 

[sir-vivor]

I was making a statement on what appeared to me and based on my life experience so WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM, the fact remains THERE WERE NO SEALS AROUND , NO BIG DEAL ...... SO lets get back to what the thread was intended for and I look forward to your thread on ORCAS !

Clint
PS ; Maybe the Moderators could move this hi-jack to another thread called 'ORCAS , TRANSIENT OR NOT .... THAT IS THE QUESTION " and we could move on

 

[Peahead]

Quote from Sir-vivor

FYI Nooky

You tell that to the seals I seen eaten by a pod of 7 Orcas , at the sand heads , Also, I have witnessed Orcas actually breaching , hitting seals , then younger Orcas playing with dead / disabled seal ................ so loaners are not the only ones attacking seals

For goodness sakes .....accept people 's input . Its ok to be informed here or have a statement clarified or corrected.
The simple answer was that in the case of 'transient' Orcas they are an established Pod/s ( and feed on seals) and are not just oddball "loaners" as you seemed to think Nooky was implying when he first informed on the the "transients" habits . No worries , accept his correction here (and move on as you suggest).
Makes sense to me that Nooky would offer up a correction/clarification here on this thread since it was in response to your comments in posts to this thread about the Orcas. I'd relax on the hi-jack claim, gees.
'Flexibility is survivability, rigidity is death' ....love that one !

 

[Peahead]

Originally Posted by fishyfish

Please excuse my lack of knowledge. What is a "big ugly"?

My mother in law.

Strange.......we must have the same mother-in-law!!

 

[Hookin'up]

'Flexibility is survivability, rigidity is death' ....love that one !

Love that line! you should have that in your sig
and I edited the original title on the first post too
Tim

 

[Peahead]

Love that line! you should have that in your sig
and I edited the original title on the first post too
Tim

lol, Hilarious!

 

[nooky]

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'Flexibility is survivability, rigidity is death' ....love that one !

Thanks Peahed. As you can see I'm fairly new to this forum and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. To me it's all about learning from one another as well as being kept up to date with the bite, or lack there of,sea conditions, size and quality of fish, etc., etc., on any given day. My hat goes off to all who contribute to this forum in an informative way. I've been fishing BC's coastal waters for nearly forty years and every time I'm out on the water it occurs to me that I'm learnig something new . How nice is that ?
Sir-vivor, keep up the good work on your reporting. Please accept that in no way was I criticising your observation but rather making my own. The funny thing is, Orcas can be a fishermans best friend, (Transients) culling the seals,or worst nightmare, (Residents) eating or scaring away our treasured chinook.
Cheers and tight lines to us all !!!

 

[cohochinook]

Heading out tomorrow morning. Will try off the Cap and then hopefully T-10 if winds are favourable. Will post a report after.

 

[Marsman]

I"m also heading out but not till around noon. Need to take a load of old wood to the dump. Will probably go off the cap either in a 19.5' Spectrum or a smaller 16' Prince Craft. Depends if I am by myself for a while 1st.. Any reports of the Cap area? Have the coho actually started to bite for more than 10-15min...

Cheers, Rob

 

[staying alive]

heading out tomorrow with my fishing partner,any recent reports, will probably be off the noth arm somewhere QB ,QA ,or T10, if it's too rough will head to the cap ,but where are those fish hiding???
Will be in my 23'6" Crestliner ,plan on fishing and listening to the Lion's game (1:00), drinking some lucky's and having a Barbeque . Catching a fish will make it a complete great day. Any intell is appreciated

 

[trendsetter]

I was out there yesterday at the bell buoy and over at West Van from pink apartments to the mouth. No fish for me. Saw two coho landed by the cap mouth in the 5 hours or so I was there. I ran hootchies and spoons for the first few hours then anchovies for the rest.

Tons of coho jumpers in shallow but not many biters. I may try south arm tomorrow or maybe t-10.

Cheers.

 

[Finished Business]

Will be in my 23'6" Crestliner

Hopefully your Crestliner will prove fishy!!

 

[cohochinook]

Hit 3 Coho and 1 Spring this morning off Ambelside/Dundrave. All on choives 15 feet down. Bite dried up by 10 AM. Nothing for the rest of the day. Tried T-10, North Arm and Bell Buoy as well, but not a sniff.

 

[Marsman]

Fished this afternoon after 12:30 till dark. Landed a 5lb spring we popped off and then got a nice 7.5lb hatchery coho. Nothing after 5pm for us and didn't see any nets out. Also popped off a few little shakers.
Rob

 

[therise]

Sweet District NorthVan Fire n Rescue Derby !! were there , Sept 21 ,,
cant wait , we might even try fishin,,,

$ 30 a nut

: )

fd

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A limited number of tickets are still available.
Proceeds go to the Seymour Salmon Society and Athletics for Kids

$60 Per angler, which includes a free boat launch at Lions Gate Marina, T-Shirt, and a burger and pop and a very good chance at some great prizes.

 

[Canso]

fishing Sandheads in the shalows. Weather was perfect, boxed 2, one over 30lbs and nice 16lb red.
didn't see much landed by others. both fish landed 1 hour before high tide.

 

[getbent]

Hey Canso,

I was the guy at the co-op on the way home, nice job, I will keep my eyes out for you and see you out there next time.

No luck for us at the T-10, started at first light, beauty day, not much else going on around us either.


Getbent

 

[Glaciertim]

Way to go Canso! Nice work. Photos? What were you using? How shallow we're you fishing?

Tim
white Rock