Victoria Reports - Spring and Summer 2011

[Charlie]

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Charlie,if you haven't fished the Victoria water front then don't comment on it's state of affairs...

LOL, I didn't comment on "its stae of affairs"! So you want to comment on that?

Isn't life great? I actually do fish the Victoria area quite often, but admit not the Victoria water front? You eat and fish there? Do you want to change the conversation to Victoria water front? I suggest a new topic? I did never say I fish, catch or eat anything in or aound the Victoria waterfront?

And, the “it’s state of affairs”? What does that mean?

i've caught many a salmon/halibut on or close to the areas you mentioned...anyways fish migrate to/ from the areas in ?...

Yes, fish migrate? Halibut migrate "to," salmon migrate “through”! So, halibut migrate to an area... stay and eat! Aah... you want to think about this:

"Canada flushes some 200 billion liters of raw sewage directly into natural waterways every year, from the St. Lawrence River to the Strait of Juan de Fuca and the Pacific Ocean. That’s only a fraction of the three trillion liters of sewage Canadians produce annually—about 6 percent, in fact—but it’s still enough to fill more than 40,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools.

Yep! That's 200 BILLION! But, that is not what we are talking about, is it? If you are, I again suggest a "new" topic? I believe my comment was, and I quote... “Albert Head, I don't know about that one?”, that was regarding HALIBUT and was with a question mark. Did you miss something there?

granted the envidence shows in the Past outfall pipes/industrial wastes were likely culprits of the contaminated seabeds...this however was most likely caused by storm drain runoff also from heavy industry& the twinning of the two outfalls.

? You need to check your statement! Might want to read the links posted by The Rock?

Over the years it has vastly changed with the removal of solid & other toxins at the source & the demise of much ofthe for mentioned industry..true a lot of us are not happy about the ongoingdumping of sewage(in any form) into the Victoria waters.

Ha ha ha... Again I suggest you read the links the Rock posted? Might want to re-check that one, also? and also may I suggest reading up on the effects of Dioxin TCDD!

So if you want to get on a soap box (Mrs.Stuarts) start your own crusade to clean up the (US) waters in your own backyard...

“Soap box”? Let’s go back to my original statement and I again quote, “Albert Head, I don't know about that one? You do know if you are fishing those humps off Albert Head towards Victoria you are well within 2 miles from Macaulay Point outfall pipe! That and Clover Point outflow are two areas I would not recommend eating any thing that comes off the bottom!” Where is the "Soap box" there? That is and was just a comment to warn of the area! Is your name "Kevin"?

By the way it's Mr.Sammy.

I am okay with either “Mr” or Mrs”! However, but may I remind you of some comments?

Mmmm C reamoanother(non-dairy) edible oil product.

Mrs.Stuart's liq.blue is for laundry, try a food grade colouringinstead...sorry Charlie @ Starkist we only select the best (chemical freesalmon)...sammy

Don't know about the, "sorryCharlie @ Starkist we only select the best (chemical free salmon)? Might want to check on the chemicals you dump!

As far as Mrs Stuarts? Well "Mrs" sammyslabber, I doubt seriously that you have ever used "food grade colouring"? If you have then you know it creates quite the mess and will stain the boat! The only thing I can say there is if you don't like cleaning up a mess, DO NOT USE "FOOD GRADE COLOURING"

I guess you have never used "food grade colouring" or ever had to clean that mess up after using it?

Have a great day!

 

[Bassblaster]

"Canada flushes some 200 billion liters of raw sewage directly into natural waterways every year, from the St. Lawrence River to the Strait of Juan de Fuca and the Pacific Ocean. That’s only a fraction of the three trillion liters of sewage Canadians produce annually—about 6 percent, in fact—but it’s still enough to fill more than 40,000 Olympic-sized swimming pools."

Hey Charlie

Thats a lot of Cr#p. By volume that is. If that's our volume and we have 30+ million people, what's the US output of raw sewage into waterways? Not picking a fight here, this just ties in nicely to the post about how badly we're polluting our water systems I made on the general forum. I have a lot of respect for you on here as one of the most knowledgable members and totally enjoy your posts.

 

[Charlie]

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/main/prgs/docs/sq_crd_outfalls.pdf
The report seems to suggest that the main areas of concern are within
100yards of the outfall and everything seems pretty dilute after
that...

.932 nm Nautical Miles (1,640 yards) .. out from Macauly pt.
1.7nm Nautical Miles (3,000 yards) from out fall to Yellow cann bouy is the same
distance to Albert head spots

On the links that you posted they actually show the areas tested and the results... I actually homed in on this:

• Whole-sediment chemistry data have been collected by CRD (2002; 2003; 2004; 2005a) in the vicinity of the Macaulay Point and/or Clover Point outfalls for 29 of the 33 prescribed substances listed in Schedule 9 of the CSR. No data were collected on the concentrations of hexachlorocyclohexane or poly c h lo r i n a ted dib e n z o-pdioxins/polychlorinated dibenzofurans. Therefore, the whole-sediment chemistry data needed to comprehensively evaluate exceedances of the generic numerical sediment criteria are not available;

Overall, the results of this evaluation showt hat insufficient data were available to thoroughly characterize sediment quality conditions within the IDZ at the Macaulay Point AEC and within and outside the IDZ at the Clover Point AEC. Nevertheless, we proceeded to the final step in the sediment quality evaluation process for all of the reaches,with the understanding that data limitations for three of the reaches would not allow us to conclude that they did notcontain contaminated sediments. However, the available data can be used to determine that contaminated sediments do exist within one or more reacheswithin the study area.

Evaluation of Sediment Quality Conditions inthe Vicinity of the Macaulay Point Outfall
The results of this evaluation indicate that sediments within the IDZ of the Macaulay Point outfall are sufficiently contaminated to warrant designation as a contaminated site, as defined under the CSR. More specifically, the 90th percentile concentrations of 10 prescribed substances (i.e., three trace metals and seven individual PAHs) exceeded the generic numerical sediment criteria for typical sites in the whole sediment samplescollected within the IDZ (Table 17). In addition, the 90th percentile mean generic numerical sediment criteria-quotient value calculated for samples collected within the IDZ exceeded 1.0 (Table 17). Furthermore, the concentrations of five prescribed substances (i.e., three trace metals and two individual PAHs) exceededtwo-times the generic numerical sediment criteria for typical sites and the upper limit of background concentrations(ULB) in one or more whole-sediment samples collected within the IDZ (Table18). Therefore, the area within theIDZ of the Macaulay Point outfall should be designated as a contaminated site,as defined under the CSR (i.e., both the frequency and magnitude of exceedance of the selected generic numerical sediment criteria exceed the threshold conditions identified in the CSR and further defined in Macfarlane et al.2004). [Note: the ULB was calculated as the mean plus two standard deviations using data on all of the reference area samples, including thosefrom Parry Bay and Constance Bank].

The results of this evaluation indicate that sediments outside the IDZ of the Macaulay Point outfall are also sufficiently contaminated to warrant designation as a contaminated site, as defined under the CSR.For the 110 whole-sediment samples collected outside the IDZ, the 90th percentile concentrations of 11 prescribed substances (i.e., three trace metals, and eight individual PAHs) exceeded the generic numerical sediment criteria for sensitivesites (Table 2). In addition, the concentrations of 19 prescribed substances(i.e., five trace metals, 13 individual PAHs, and total PAHs) exceededtwo-times the generic numerical sediment criteria for sensitive sites and theULB (Table 3). The mean generic numerical sediment criteria-quotients calculated for samples collected outside the IDZ also exceeded two times thegeneric numerical sediment criteria and the ULB (Table 3). Therefore, the area outside the IDZ of the Macaulay Point outfall should be designated as a contaminated site, as defined under the CSR (i.e., both the frequency and magnitude of exceedance of the selected generic numerical sediment criteria exceed thethreshold conditions identified in the EMA and further defined in Macfarlane et al. 2004).

http://www.epa.gov/nscep/index.html

 

[wolf]

Oh i can see this thread getting real shi!y fast lol lol

 

[Lipripper]

 

[yo mama]

Always wondered why hali fishing was so good there! lol

 

[fish_for_fun]

I know I am new here, but, for the life of me, I have no idea what this discussion has to do with fishing. If you have an issue with the sewage, fine....but is THIS the forum to air your grievances? Last time I checked, my bank balance was insufficient to fix the problem.

I just want to catch fish..........

 

[scott craven]

I know I am new here, but, for the life of me, I have no idea what this discussion has to do with fishing. If you have an issue with the sewage, fine....but is THIS the forum to air your grievances? Last time I checked, my bank balance was insufficient to fix the problem.

I just want to catch fish..........

Yep !

 

[NautiGirl]

Back to fishing then

Back to fishin, although slightly off string.

Went out with some friends from Pedder today and fished secretary through beechey head, but mostly trap shack. 30 boats working it. buddy caught a nice wild 17lb around 8am when the current was picking up. On the water at 5 and flat calm. It seemed like the bite went on between 730-830 and that was it. The boats then spread out and saw no nets through to 230 when we split. Guys at pedder said purple haze teasers and flashers. That's what landed the chinook and what got several bites, while a few other teaser heads and spoons got no bites except those hungry little lings.

Lots of porpoises around beechy and pedder/race area with very small young ones following. Interesting watching them on the way back in.

 

[fishinforever]

Got 3 on the flats last night, biggest 15lbs. Afternoon fish on constance today, current was rippen. Not a bite, fished 230-345.

 

[Rockfish]

Always wondered why hali fishing was so good there! lol

It also explains why those turd hootchies work so well.

 

[scott craven]

Hey, i won a battle with a seal today... one of very few.
Had my son on the wheel chasing the bugger down.
20 minutes later, up comes the fish (15lb'er) with it's gills ripped open
and a big bite out of the tail.

 

[TheRock]

Good work ! That's the way to do it, chase it down keep the boat right on top of the bugger, he has to let go if he wants to come up to breath. We haven't been out in awhile, maybe sunday hopefully.

 

[scott craven]

Update on Oakbay, fished mon.,tues,wed a.m. without a strike.
there is still bait holding at times, but the fish have apparently moved on.
Hoping some fresh ones will arrive

 

[Little Hawk]

Now that's perseverance Scotty! Whoever said it was all about the meat, eh?

 

[scott craven]

Gotta keep trying Terry !

 

[NautiGirl]

Dogfish day

Went for Hali today east of Discovery 220+ off Oak Bay, then Haro Strait 245 water east of Johnston Reef. 7-3pm. herring, octopus, hali skin, salmon bellies and collars= dogfish, dogfish, and more dogfish . Artificial jigs and grubs, spoons, pipe jigs with no bait= no bites.We did see lots of bait up high, needlefish in lowest 20, and a few large schools of salmon hitting bait at 85-90 several times in Haro. They were moving in with the tide. Unfortunately I was stubborn and stuck to the hali mission.

Nice day on the water. Not too windy in Haro. Almost hit by an OB marina fairweather sailor running about 45ft boat, likely pouring wine in his kitchen below becks, when he came up he was about 75 feet away heading straight at me while I was anchored. I had the rods in the holders and was looking for my airhorn to blast him. I'll keep it handy for next time.

 

[Hoochiebob]

Hey Nautigirl, try Sidney channel when the sailboats come through- I swear they like to play chicken with the fishing boats! Three times in one day I had sailboats tack within 100 feet of me, and I was only 80 yards off the beach.
Think it's time to load the potato gun on the boat!

 

[Dr Lunk]

x2 on that Hooch. Ridiculous, i went out there when the derby was on in Sooke and couldn't believe it, people coming out of sydney on their sailboats on the kickers/main motors and going like 20-30ft infront and behind me while i clearly had the downriggers down. Not to mention 50 boats crowding around the boat launch waiting to race when i wanted to load up. jeezus

 

[TheRock]

Haven't been out fishing in three weeks, hit the O.B flats with Yammy5 this morning, paid off 27 and a 15. We had an epic battle with a seal that grabbed onto the head of the spring. Persistent battle and keeping the boat right on top of him turned out victorious for us. Springs jaw plate got ripped apart but the body was perfect, got her in the net !