I would say treble hooks go before tandem as many use 1st hook to hold bait and second to catch.
UBC study: changing catch-and-release fishing practices can boost salmon survival
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PEETZcanada
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Regulations and avoidance are two different things, avoidance is a suggestion. Regulations can be a chargeable offense. It takes three to five years to bring new regulations into play, however the tools that can be used are in season variations and experimental fisheries in specific areas. Both require a start time and end time. Both must be announced in advance of implementation.
Unfortunately you are probably correct. And neither of these restrictions can fix ignorance of the angler.
I still think tandems do more damage but do not have tests or expertise to back that.
I only use treble hooks in August during retention and bait fishing season. I stick to spoons and hootchies with single barbless hooks the rest of the time. I could probably learn to roll an anchovie with a single if the time comes.
Something I did learn from the article is to release right away rather than reviving beside the boat. That I found interesting.
Proof right there that we need to educate not regulate.
And fine... you can have my net.... But please don't take my flasher away!
Saxe Point
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I think both need to go. A single barbless hook allows for easy releases without net use, which many agree is a good thing.
Derby
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there is a way to fish them without and it works
My good buddy worked on it a couple years ago.... He called it the Scoochie I'll see if i can get a pic from him
Whole in the Water
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Yes I do fish hootchies. So no flasher would be a problem for sure. But you can add some action with a jughead actuator or even a tomic teriminator. Not ideal for sure.
That is why I said I would entertain some reg changes to allowable tackle IF it meant more marked selective fishing opportunities.
That is why I said I would entertain some reg changes to allowable tackle IF it meant more marked selective fishing opportunities.
PEETZcanada
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There have been many, many numerous heads that have worked over the years. Most started to disappear after the hot spot came onto the market. As I always say, the fish don't change, the anglers change by shifting to the next popular item at that time. I probably have a good representation of all the variations made. And more recent ones that laid claim to being first in many cases are not. Lol just the way it is, no one truly researches for what was anymore, but they might look silly if the don't. Lolyes .. there is on particular head that works better them the rest that being said of course it's no longer made
PEETZcanada
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Something to ponder as many of us know that historically there have always been concerns throughout our lived fishing history. Charlie was a good acquaintance of mine while growing up as a young impressionable angler. I met him through my mom, as he was part of a work project that they both participated in many moons ago.
Hopefully it is clear enough to read, and share a time line. He is not the first to make mention.
Hopefully it is clear enough to read, and share a time line. He is not the first to make mention.
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wildmanyeah
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they can ban flashers and then we can use dodgers
I’m sure it will come along with Thoes bottom bouncing and leader length regs
I’m sure it will come along with Thoes bottom bouncing and leader length regs
DFO has email addresses for everyone with a fishing license in BC. Why can’t this be used for direct communication and education to the angler?
Point form recommendations on gear alterations and handling practices that will help boost salmon survival. The title is right in this thread. The content is in these articles.
Educate not regulate.
Point form recommendations on gear alterations and handling practices that will help boost salmon survival. The title is right in this thread. The content is in these articles.
Educate not regulate.
Education is great but you can't regulate common sense.
Common sense says..................Single barbless hooks, gaff release, only net what you are going to keep, keep em wet ( no hero shots of live fish that are going to be released ), If you encountering a bunch of shakers MOVE TO ANOTHER LOCATION. It really isn't that difficult people.
Common sense says..................Single barbless hooks, gaff release, only net what you are going to keep, keep em wet ( no hero shots of live fish that are going to be released ), If you encountering a bunch of shakers MOVE TO ANOTHER LOCATION. It really isn't that difficult people.
Unfortunately not everyone has common sense. A sad number do not.
Even those of us with common sense can use some education and have the common sense to implement it.
Some regular reminders in simple point form or some fun cartoon clips via email would be a no brainer to me. Does not take a lot of man power and they have the contact information for direct marketing to the licensed angler.
Saxe Point
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I agree with you that much of the common sense you mention can’t be regulated because enforcement is just too difficult or impossible. But that’s not the case with respect to the single barbless hook. That can be regulated and is, for example, in relation to freshwater stream and river fishing in British Columbia. Barbless hooks are also the law for salmon fishing in saltwater. It would be a small step to change the regulation to require a single barbless hook.
wildmanyeah
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They have this in the states, a Guide from down their told me their is huge pressure to take pictures with the fish and all the guides pass around photos of their fish with clients. He said you could see a lot of harrison whites in their photos.
My coworker went out with a guide in port hardy, he caught a keeper size chinook and before he could see the fish the guide "flipped off the fish and said oh will catch bigger ones today" and that ended up being the only fish of the day. Left extremely disappointed.
For people that get out their a lot its totally different, we all seen fish 100's of times
What if you go out and don't get into any keepers and you know you can take your friends over to a spot and have fun doing some catch and release with under size?
This is not something i have a desire to do but i know i've seen many social media posts from people that seem to have fun doing this.
Not every fishery on this coast has halibut, lingcod, salmon, crabs, prawns ect as an option.
If you did this, currently in the regs, with a bait ban currently in the regs you would have much of the same effect but people would lite their hair on fire. The bait ban would reduce catch and intern reduce mortality, you could also do plugs only.
Everyone's fishery is unique though some will be happy with some stuff while others would be upset. Some may not even care for a catch and release fishery while some thats all they do.
I switched from treble to tandem single and never looked back.Unfortunately you are probably correct. And neither of these restrictions can fix ignorance of the angler.
I still think tandems do more damage but do not have tests or expertise to back that.
I only use treble hooks in August during retention and bait fishing season. I stick to spoons and hootchies with single barbless hooks the rest of the time. I could probably learn to roll an anchovie with a single if the time comes.
Something I did learn from the article is to release right away rather than reviving beside the boat. That I found interesting.
Proof right there that we need to educate not regulate.
And fine... you can have my net.... But please don't take my flasher away!
fishinforever
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Lots of fish around!
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Photo of orca with ‘salmon hat’ reminiscent of 80s trend: Researcher
A photo of a southern resident killer whale with a salmon on its head has lit the internet ablaze for its similarities to a "fad" that saw orcas wearing dead salmon as “hats” in the late 1980s.
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Sharphooks
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I’m forced to C&R with almost all the fish I catch because I do long trips and historically, that approach has lead to lots of “encounters” as they’re called.
The one thing I’ve learned over the years:
A net should never be used in the same sentence as C&R….
And……
Hand-line the fish to the boat, get a gaff into the hook bend, then let the fish fall off the hook by turning the gaff upside-down
Meanwhile, at the risk of catching shade from all the cool guys who frequent this site, I am completely floored that people still use treble hooks in any kind of fishery, especially a salmon fishery in the salt-chuck
It is an absolute stone-cold mystery to me why people would even think of that approach to salmon fishing other than ….”that’s how we’ve always done it so get over it….”
Back story—- I was a late bloomer in the use of anchovies to catch a fish…I have maybe 4 seasons total under my belt. And from the first day I tried out that particular bait, I used the exact same approach I’ve used with herring for the last 55 years: a tandem hook with either a plastic hood or a tooth pick
Trebles in both the rivers and the salt chuck down where I do most of my fishing have been crossed off the list for many years….also, no nets in C&R fishing in the salt chuck….so why haven’t those regulations spread north? It’s a mystery to me
The one thing I’ve learned over the years:
A net should never be used in the same sentence as C&R….
And……
Hand-line the fish to the boat, get a gaff into the hook bend, then let the fish fall off the hook by turning the gaff upside-down
Meanwhile, at the risk of catching shade from all the cool guys who frequent this site, I am completely floored that people still use treble hooks in any kind of fishery, especially a salmon fishery in the salt-chuck
It is an absolute stone-cold mystery to me why people would even think of that approach to salmon fishing other than ….”that’s how we’ve always done it so get over it….”
Back story—- I was a late bloomer in the use of anchovies to catch a fish…I have maybe 4 seasons total under my belt. And from the first day I tried out that particular bait, I used the exact same approach I’ve used with herring for the last 55 years: a tandem hook with either a plastic hood or a tooth pick
Trebles in both the rivers and the salt chuck down where I do most of my fishing have been crossed off the list for many years….also, no nets in C&R fishing in the salt chuck….so why haven’t those regulations spread north? It’s a mystery to me
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trophywife
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i promote, what you catch is your catch, using the example above of releasing a keeper to find bigger fish is poor karma IMHO.
i cannot be on the water and c&r 50 plus chinooks looking for bigger fish. i will move areas and change tactics when it makes sense to catch a persons second fish that is hopefully bigger. they get the knowledge of the targeted purposeful effort to catch a bigger fish, without weeding through the dinks. i do the same for halibut too.. chicken ranch or on the anchor targeting bigger butts. let the customer be part of the conscious decisions made on the boat.
i cannot be on the water and c&r 50 plus chinooks looking for bigger fish. i will move areas and change tactics when it makes sense to catch a persons second fish that is hopefully bigger. they get the knowledge of the targeted purposeful effort to catch a bigger fish, without weeding through the dinks. i do the same for halibut too.. chicken ranch or on the anchor targeting bigger butts. let the customer be part of the conscious decisions made on the boat.
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