Trudeau promises more gun control and goes on the attack against Scheer

Odd that they entirely ignore their own study's finding...

Engagement Summary Report - Reducing Violent Crime: A Dialogue on Handguns and Assault-Style Firearms

Executive Summary​

Introduction​


Public Safety Canada (“Public Safety”) launched an engagement process in October 2018 to help inform policy, regulations and legislation to reduce violent crime involving firearms. Through this engagement, Public Safety sought to engage and hear from a wide range of stakeholders, which included those both in support of and opposed to limiting access to handguns and assault-style firearms. While the engagement was framed by the examination of a potential ban, the discussion explored several potential measures to reduce violent crime.

The engagement process included a series of eight in-person roundtables, an online questionnaire, a written submission process, and bilateral meetings with a range of stakeholders. Given the diversity of perspectives on this issue, this report highlights key common themes and ideas shared by participants, as well as unique and divergent views. The goal of this report is to accurately represent “what we heard” on this issue.

Overall Key Findings
  • There are polarized views on a potential ban and limiting access: Overall, participants were strongly polarized on the issue of banning handguns and assault-style firearms. The stakeholder views expressed in two of the engagement channels - the in-person dialogues and written submissions - provided a variety of perspectives both opposed to and in support of a ban. In contrast, most questionnaire respondents (representing a self-selected group of Canadians) were opposed to a ban.
  • Target crime and focus on enforcement: Many participants felt strongly that a ban would target law-abiding owners, rather than illicit firearms, and would not greatly impact crime reduction (particularly gang violence). As a result, many called for enhanced enforcement capacity for law enforcement and border services, as well as harsher punishments for firearms trafficking and gun-related crime.
  • Address underlying causes of firearm violence: One point of consensus among the diverse perspectives is the need to address the socioeconomic conditions that can lead to gun violence, which requires more support for community-level programs and initiatives. These factors include poverty, a lack of education or employment opportunities, lack of mental health supports and social exclusion.
  • Collect and share relevant data on gun crime: There is a need to improve the ongoing collection and sharing of data on gun crime, particularly in terms of sources of illicit firearms and the types of crime being committed. It was expressed that data is critical for supporting law enforcement and border agencies efforts, as well as informing policy and legislation.
  • Willingness for collaboration with the firearms community/industry: Many stakeholders representing various aspects of the firearms community want the opportunity to be more engaged and to collaborate with the federal government to develop solutions on this issue.
  • Need a multi-faceted approach: A wide range of approaches and ideas were discussed, which suggests that a multi-faceted approach is needed to address this issue – rather than implementing a ban in isolation.

Engagement Process and Key Findings by Channel​

In-person sessions​

Public Safety held a series of eight in-person roundtables in four cities: Vancouver (October 22, 2018), Montreal (October 25, 2018), Toronto (October 26, 2018) and Moncton (October 29, 2018). In total, 77 stakeholders participated in these sessions. Stakeholders were invited by Public Safety Canada based on their knowledge, experience, expertise and vested interest in the issue. Stakeholders represented provincial government, law enforcement, municipalities, not-for-profit associations (e.g., health, community services, youth, victims), education, wildlife/conservation, retailers, academia/research, and the firearms/sports shooting community.

The key themes emerging from an analysis of the in-person sessions were:
  • Mixed reactions: Some groups were more supportive or mixed in their perspectives on a potential ban/limiting access, while others were strongly opposed
  • Enhance frontline enforcement capacity
  • Collect and share relevant data
  • Focus on crime involving firearms and related crimes
  • Focus on underlying factors of gun violence
  • Focus on safe storage
  • Provide educational opportunities for children and youth
  • Work with retailers and the firearms community
  • Explore reporting requirements for healthcare system
Written Submissions

Public Safety also called for written submissions from a wide range of stakeholders. Overall, 36 submissions were received from invited stakeholders representing a diversity of sectors and perspectives, including shooting sports, health, government (provincial, territorial and regional), women, municipalities/communities, victims, wildlife/conversation and retailers. Public Safety also received nearly 1,200 submissions from individuals with relevant experience on the issue.

The key themes from the written submissions were:
  • Mixed reactions to a potential ban/limiting access
  • Collect relevant data on crime involving firearms
  • Address risk factors underlying firearms violence
  • Focus on illicit firearms trafficking
  • Enhance enforcement capacity
  • Consult with firearms community/industry
  • Provide more mental health supports/screening:
  • Provide more education on safe and secure storage
  • Address impact of gun violence on women
  • Provide clarity in defining/classifying “assault weapon

Online questionnaire​

In addition to engaging stakeholders, Public Safety developed and launched a questionnaire that was available online to all Canadians. The questionnaire was open for one month, between October 11 and November 10, 2018. During this time, 134,917 questionnaires were completed. In terms of the demographic profile of respondents, more than half were male; most came from either Ontario, Quebec, British Columbia or Alberta; and most lived in an urban setting. Additionally, nearly half owned a firearm.

The key findings from the online questionnaire were:
  • Majority of respondents did not support further limiting access to firearms and assault-style firearms
  • Focus on the illicit market, not legally-owned firearms
  • Target criminals, not lawful owners
  • Concerns with “assault weapon” term
  • Focus on smuggling and border security
  • Stricter screening processes for those acquiring firearms

Engagement Summary Report - Reducing Violent Crime: A Dialogue on Handguns and Assault-Style Firearms

Engagement Summary Report - Reducing Violent Crime: A Dialogue on Handguns and Assault-Style Firearms
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IronNoggin said:
Odd that they entirely ignore their own study's findings...
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More ignoring of study findings:

WHAT FIREARMS ARE REASONABLE AND PROPORTIONATE FOR HUNTING IN CANADA

AN EXAMINATION OF PREVIOUSLY NON-RESTRICTED FIREARMS PROHIBITED UNDER SOR/2020-96

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

It is the Government of Canada’s view that the firearms prohibited under Regulation SOR/2020-96 are
“unreasonable and disproportionate” for hunting. This report offers a comprehensive, subject-specific analysis of the use
of firearms for hunting that helps to inform whether SOR/2020-96 firearms are reasonable and proportionate.

Based on the findings of this report, many non-restricted firearms prohibited under SOR/2020-96 are reasonable and proportionate
for hunting in Canada.

To truly understand what is reasonable and proportionate for hunting, there are many factors that must be considered beyond the characteristics of the firearm itself, including the cartridges used, and the situation (e.g., terrain) in which it will be used in. This report unpacks the complexities of considering what firearms are reasonable and proportionate for hunting in Canada by examining the plethora of contributing variables such as legality, conservation, military use, ethics, hunter preference, hunted species, practical use, modern designs and modularity, firearm operating
systems, non-operational firearm features, calibre, cartridge availability, and magazines.

Of these considerations, this report includes a detailed examination of the many physical features and characteristics that determine the operation and function of a firearm. Based on an examination of firearms and component features, the characteristic that most expressly defines what is reasonable for hunting is what is already illegal for hunting in Canada (automatic action, high-capacity magazines, explosive payloads).

Outside of that characteristic, the findings in this report demonstrate that labelling firearms based on appearance or overall design without comprehensive consideration of actual operation and function cannot determine what is reasonable and proportionate for hunting.

The report shows that almost all previously non-restricted shoulder arms prohibited under SOR/2020-96 and assessed in this study were used for hunting by Canadians. The use of these firearms does not appear to be a result of proximity or availability, but rather because the form, functions, and features of these firearms have a long history related to hunting and are commonly used, if not preferred by hunters.

The availability of hunting-specific cartridges in Canada for almost all calibres is another indicator of the proportionate use for hunting. Not only are key characteristics (e.g., action and calibre) of SOR/2020-96 prohibited firearms proportionate relative to other firearms used for hunting, these firearms were tested by the RCMP to ensure they cannot mate with restricted and prohibited firearms (i.e., allowing for easy adaptability to automatic capability) when the previous non-restricted classification was determined.

There are many considerations and individual conclusions drawn in this report about what is reasonable and proportionate for hunting, but can be summarized using an actual model comparison that illustrates the pitfalls and inappropriateness of oversimplifying and generalizing firearms by ‘type’.

A semi-automatic rifle chambered in 308 WIN, with a walnut or composite stock, a 22” barrel, and detachable box magazine that weighs about nine pounds could describe dozens of popular non-restricted rifles used for hunting. It is also the description of a model of the Springfield Armory M1A series that was prohibited under SOR/2020-96. The Springfield Armory M1A shares the features of other rifles used for hunting, but it also shares the design of the M14 rifle that was standard issue for the U.S. military in the 1950s and 1960s. The modern civilian M14 ‘types’ share the design and military lineage but have key functional distinctions, most notably being limited to only having a semi-automatic action instead of the ‘select fire switch’ of the U.S. military version that allowed for fully automatic fire.

The civilian Springfield Armory M1A accepts detachable box magazines, but the high-capacity 20-cartridge magazines of the military version are already illegal in Canada. The Springfield Armory M1A example illustrates that although there are clear connections to the M14 (targeted rifle for prohibition by SOR 2020/96) in design and lineage, the complete distinction in key form and function characteristics make it inappropriate to ‘type’ as a firearm that is not reasonable or proportionate for hunting in Canada.

KEY FINDINGS

THE FOLLOWING IS A SUMMARY OF FINDINGS FROM THE FULL REPORT

HUNTING FIREARM – There is no such thing as a ‘hunting firearm’ type. Firearms primarily used for hunting, are also frequently used for plink-
ing, shooting at the range, or even competition. Hunter selection of a firearm is generally determined based on: 1) being legal for hunting, 2) the
calibre is appropriate for the type of hunting, 3) usability for the intended purpose, 4) performance (firearm + cartridge combined), and 5) afford-ability. Firearm type (e.g., M14) is not an appropriate criterion because it does not provide sufficient resolution to determine if a firearm is reasonable for hunting.

There are Twenty-Three other Findings listed. Far to lengthy to post here, but well worth a look for those interested...

 
The perpetual revolving door:

Man charged in 'significant' gun seizure was under lifetime weapons ban​

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/london-police-seize-nine-handguns-after-arresting-wanted-man

Accused OPP shooter was out on bail due to Indigenous identity​

A man who is accused of killing an Ontario Provincial Police officer while out on bail for previous alleged violent offences had been set free from jail primarily because he is Indigenous, a transcript of his bail review hearing shows.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...r-was-out-on-bail-due-to-indigenous-identity/

Mississauga man with lifetime weapons prohibition order allegedly found with rifle​

A Mississauga man with a lifetime weapons prohibition order is facing a number of charges after he was allegedly found in possession of a rifle.


Police said a Kodiak Defence WK180C rifle was seized, along with ammunition and prohibited devices containing ammunition.

IF we applied the laws in place prior to Justin's intrusions, Canada would be a much better place IMO. Doing what he is doing, while actually softening bail requirements and sentencing, is absolute Insanity IMO.
 
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The Irony of this group speaking to "misinformation" runs deep:

Gun-control group to tell MPs 'disinformation' muddied assault-style firearm measures​


OTTAWA - A prominent voice for stricter gun control is poised to tell MPs the federal government's efforts to outlaw assault-style firearms have become mired in disinformation.

The group PolySeSouvient plans to appear at a House of Commons committee today to support the federal government's plan to legislatively enshrine a definition of guns considered unsafe for civilian use.

www.ctvnews.ca

Gun-control group to tell MPs 'disinformation' muddied assault-style firearm measures

A prominent voice for stricter gun control is poised to tell MPs the federal government's efforts to outlaw assault-style firearms have become mired in disinformation.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca
 

Firearms rights, changes to trespassing laws focus of upcoming legislature session​

ALBERTA FIREARMS ACT (BILL 8)​

The government says it will introduce a bill to protect gun owners from the federal firearms confiscation program and establish a firearms regulatory system.

When pressed for details on what the firearms regulatory system would do, Schow refused to provide details.

"I’m going to leave that to the minister. It’s his bill, I’m going to leave that to him," he said.

He also would not explain why the province decided to create a new bill to address firearm ownership instead of using Alberta's sovereignty act.

edmonton.ctvnews.ca

Firearms rights, changes to trespassing laws focus of upcoming legislature session

Government House Leader Joseph Schow announced the government's priorities for the fourth session of the 30th legislature on Wednesday morning.
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Attached is a brief to SECU regarding the evidence behind gun bans and homicide rates, including Canadian, American, and Australian evidence

https://onedrive.live.com/?authkey=!ANzt-0zdhrptZzo&id=ED70CF83D51F31BF!108072&cid=ED70CF83 D51F31BF&parId=root&parQt=sharedby&o=OneUp

Recommendations and Insights

It is important that references to the research are accurate. Accurate reference to research ensures that
Committee members may make the best possible decisions.

There is no strong evidence that firearm bans will save lives in Canada. On the contrary, the overwhelming body of relevant research indicates that proposed firearm bans would have no impact whatsoever on preventable deaths in Canada, whether by homicide or suicide.

The Committee is better served by examining alternative measures to achieve a reduction in deaths, including addressing the demand-side components of violent crime. The massive expenditure associated with such bans, and the time spent studying them, would be better directed toward these measures if homicide and suicide reductions are the goals of Committee. A previous discussion of potential methods has been addressed in prior submissions to the Committee.
 

Privy Council Office research questions new handgun sales ban​

Banning new handgun sales won’t necessarily lessen crime.
So says in-house research by the Privy Council Office, according to Blacklock’s Reporter.

“All participants believed combating gun smuggling and trafficking to be an important priority for the federal government to focus on. Many viewed illegally sourced firearms as the greatest contributor to gun crime in Canada at present.

torontosun.com

Privy Council Office research questions new handgun sales ban

Federal focus groups who responded wondered whether the new handgun sale freeze would work if handguns used in crimes were brought in illegally from the U.S.
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Handgun Freeze is Useless, says

Privy Council Report

Nobody – not even Justin Trudeau’s Privy Council – believes his “handgun freeze” can reduce violent crime.

Everyone, gun owner and gun hater alike, wants to keep guns out of the hands of violent criminals, but many are “skeptical as to whether a national freeze on the buying and selling of handguns would be effective,” the Privy Council Report says.https://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2023/bcp-pco/CP12-4-2022-9-eng.pdf

“I don’t know exactly what impact it will have,” said Talal Dakalbab, Assistant Deputy Minister of Public Safety, in his testimony before committee.[ii]

The Privy Council report specifically noted that the federal government’s “freeze on the buying and selling of handguns [is] overly punitive towards law-abiding firearms users.”[iii]

The report also noted “the majority of handgun-related crimes were caused by those who had obtained their firearms illegally” so banning legal owners from buying/selling handguns won’t reduce violent crime with guns.

Privy Council Survey Results

Atlantic Canada

  • Gun crime urban centres such as Halifax and St. John’s is a major issue.
  • Impression is firearm-related crimes increased.
  • Hearing about firearms-related crime on an almost daily basis.
  • Federal freeze on the buying and selling of handguns is overly punitive towards law-abiding firearms users.
  • The majority of handgun-related crimes were caused by those who had obtained their firearms illegally and, as such, this action would do little to address the issue.

Quebec Anglophones, Greater Toronto Area

  • Most reacted positively to the implementation of a national freeze on handguns.
  • Participants speculated the handgun freeze was the first step toward a permanent ban on handgun ownership in Canada.
  • Regulation alone would likely not work because if a person is committed to obtaining a firearm for criminal use, they’ll be able to, no matter how strict the laws are.

Greater Vancouver Area[v]

  • Handgun freeze would have little to no effect on firearms related crimes because criminals are not deterred by new regulations.
  • Concern this might lead to the growth of an unregulated and illegal market for handguns and further exacerbate the prevalence of drug and gang violence.
  • When asked whether a handgun freeze or a handgun ban would be appropriate, these participants said neither, because they won’t address drug- and gang-related violence.

Northwest Territories

  • Felt a handgun freeze or ban would not have a significant impact on their communities because ownership of handguns in the North was rare.

https://myemail.constantcontact.com...eport.html?soid=1124731702303&aid=jx-eQipmoSA
 
Mendicino's Parliamentary Secretary using the occasion of funding to BC to promote their inane firearms tactics of late.

Pam Damoff Promoting Bill C21 - 15 March 2023

Video at 2:20 minutes:

 
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