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Urban rural divide is clear in gun control debate: MP​

“The problem I have with gun control is there is no evidence base. I’ve been in law enforcement for 30 years. I don’t think I ever arrested somebody who had a legal PAL (possession and acquisition licence) or R-PAL (restricted possession and acquisition licence) who had committed an offence.

“These are gangsters and organized crime. These guys don’t have any legal guns. Yet, to spend millions on recovering some guns – hunting rifles – from individuals in our community is absolutely unbelievable, with no evidence.

“To me, we need to focus on organized crime and gang activity,” he said, noting the money it will cost to buy back guns, “we can use that to fund enforcement. A lot of those guns are coming up from the United States.

“The other thing is, let’s focus on our youth by having some crime and prevention programs. Crime prevention means crime is never going to happen. So, you get into the schools and start talking about what it is like to be a gangster and going to jail and you try to deter youth from entering down that road of getting into a gang and then therefore getting a gun, shooting, going to jail and that cycle.”

In conclusion, the MP said he sees a growing divide between urban and rural Canadians.

Many urban Canadians have never owned a gun or been around them and do not understand hunters and hunting, he said.

“We also have shooters who that is their hobby and they (urban Canadians) do not understand that. All they see is a gangster shooting a handgun. It’s illegal; it’s prohibited; the gangster can’t have that. And they think, ‘let’s just prohibit all of them.’”

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Opposition MPs united in ensuring Canadian hunters aren't disarmed by Liberal government​


National Post contacted all 12 members of the all-party House standing committee on public safety and national security currently examining Bill C-21

OTTAWA — Opposition party members of the committee examining the Trudeau Liberals’ contentious gun control legislation are united in ensuring Canadian hunters aren’t disarmed by the government.

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In a year-end interview with CTV News, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau seemingly backtracked on assurances his government’s bill will target criminals and not law-abiding gun owners, saying that Canadian hunters need to reconcile with the fact some of their firearms will end up prohibited under Bill C-21.

“There are some guns, yes, that we’re going to have to take away from people who were using them to hunt,” he told CTV host Omar Sachedina.

To test the claim that opposition is centred entirely around partisan attacks by the Conservatives, the National Post contacted all 12 members of the all-party House standing committee on public safety and national security currently examining the bill before it passes third reading and is handed off to the Senate.

Despite the PM’s defence of his government’s legislation, members of his own caucus have spoken out over C-21

Conservative MP Glen Motz said comments by both the prime minister and Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino suggest the two men know little about firearms or the legislation that currently regulates their use.

“If the prime minister and Liberals were actually serious about public safety, they would be focusing on criminals, sentencing with the use of firearms for the commission of offences, or gun smuggling,” he said.

“Not the easy way of going after hunters, sport shooters and farmers who have not, are not, and never will be threats to public safety.”

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Opposition MPs united in ensuring Canadian hunters aren't disarmed by Liberal government

National Post contacted all 12 members of the all-party standing committee on public safety and national security examining Bill C-21.
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Yukon MP, public safety minister, get an earful at roundtable discussion on Bill C-21​


Canada's minister of public safety Marco Mendicino was in Whitehorse to attend the meeting in person. Fifteen Yukoners were also invited to attend in person while many more watched via Zoom.

One thing was made very clear by each of the people who were there to share their thoughts: none of them agree with the proposed amendments.

In attendance were trappers, hunters, sport shooters, and gun collectors.

 

Statement from Premier Ranj Pillai on Bill C-21​


Premier Ranj Pillai has issued the following statement:

"As I committed to on my first day on the job, I will defend the interests of the Yukon.

"Many Yukoners are very concerned about the proposed amendments to Bill C-21 and the impacts they would have on law-abiding firearms owners in the territory. As a lawful gun owner, avid hunter and member of a family who has worked a trapline on the land for generations, I have a deep appreciation for the concerns.

"The Yukon government has long made it clear to the federal government that Yukoners need to be engaged about legislative changes that would impact them, including those proposed in amendments to Bill C-21.

"We are pleased that Minister Marco Mendicino was in the Yukon to hear from Yukoners about Bill C-21. Serious concerns remain around the impacts Bill C-21 would have on the way of life of many Yukoners. From licensed and subsistence hunters to Indigenous families working traplines, the proposed amendments would negatively impact law-abiding Yukoners and threaten Indigenous traditional ways of life.

"Last night, Yukoners respectfully shared their positions on Bill C-21 at a roundtable with Minister Mendicino, who has committed to engaging and making appropriate changes to Bill C-21 after hearing from Yukoners and others living in more rural and remote parts of Canada. The Yukon’s Minister of Justice Tracy McPhee has also shared our government’s concerns directly with Minister Mendicino during bilateral meetings.

"First Nations leaders also made their concerns with Bill C-21 clear to me during my first meeting as Premier with the Council of Yukon First Nations earlier this week and we support the concerns of Yukon First Nations Chiefs.

"As the Yukon’s Member of Parliament Brendan Hanley has made clear, the Yukon does not support Bill C-21 in its present form. We support and commend MP Hanley’s efforts to advocate for and defend the interests of Yukoners. I strongly urge the federal government to listen to Yukoners and make changes to the amendments to Bill C-21."

 

Bill C-21 will reduce the number of guns hunters use, public safety minister says​


New federal gun controls “may reduce the number of firearms some hunters use,” admits a federal briefing note to Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino. It claimed hunters will have to find alternatives.

According to Blacklock's Reporter, Bill C-21 An Act To Amend Certain Acts introduced in the House of Commons last May 30 proposes to codify a federal ban on new sales of licensed handguns in Canada. Cabinet last November 24 introduced amendments to ban use of any “firearm that is a rifle or shotgun that is capable of discharging centre fire ammunition in a semi-automatic manner.”

“We are not targeting hunters and those who use firearms to sustain themselves or their families,” said the briefing note. “We are targeting firearms with sustained rapid-fire capability that can inflict significant harm to Canadians.”

The note by public safety department staff is dated December 13, one day after the Commons public safety committee blocked passage of Bill C-21 pending public hearings this spring. “I do think it’s offensive,” Conservative MP Raquel Dancho (Kildonan-St. Paul, MB) told the committee. The proposed amendments were so broad they would ban lever action rifles, she said.

“We’re talking classic wood stock hunting rifles that are being used that will be banned by this,” said Dancho. “That’s really the problem we’re coming down to. I don’t necessarily see a path forward.”

Opposition New Democrat and Bloc Québécois MPs joined Conservatives in slowing passage of the bill. “We are not going to clean up the mess the Liberals have made of this bill,” New Democrat MP Taylor Bachrach (Skeena-Bulkley Valley, BC) earlier told the Commons.
“People feel hoodwinked by these last-minute amendments,” aid Bachrach. “This was meant to be a bill about limiting handguns and protecting victims of domestic violence but now the Liberals are going after the tools that my neighbours use for hunting, predator control and back country safety.”

Opposition members proposed the public safety committee conduct at least eight public hearings on the bill including sessions in “rural, northern and indigenous communities to hear from impacted individuals.” No funding for committee travel can be approved until the start of the new fiscal year on April 1.

“We are out of time,” Liberal MP Ron McKinnon (Coquitlam-Port Coquitlam, BC), chair of the committee, earlier told MPs. “As a practical matter we probably can’t travel until at least April,” he said.

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Bill C-21 will reduce the number of guns hunters use, public safety minister says

Cabinet last November 24 introduced amendments to the bill to ban use of any 'firearm that is a rifle or shotgun that is capable of discharging centre fire ammunition in
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Assault Style Firearm Buyback Program Still Hazy At The Edges​

The assault style firearms ban that came into effect in Canada on May 1, 2020, has been highly controversial since its inception and implementation. Proponents of the ban say that it is a necessary step in protecting Canadians from gun violence, whereas those opposed to the ban insist that it has been an overly heavy-handed reaction that unfairly targets lawful gun owners.

Also announced on May 1, 2020, was a two-year transition period to protect the lawful owners of the now-prohibited firearms from criminal prosecution while they navigate the best way to comply with the new rules. Additionally, the Government of Canada (GOC) communicated its intention to establish a buyback program to safely remove these firearms from society while offering fair compensation to businesses and lawful owners. The Criminal Code amnesty for the affected firearms owners was initially set to expire on April 30, 2022, but was extended until October 30, 2023, to give the GOA more time to get a mandatory buyback program in place. We are now a little over eight months away from the expiration of this amnesty, and the federal government’s proposed buyback program is still somewhat murky around the edges

One of the biggest hurdles for the mandatory buyback program is that it still isn’t entirely clear how the GOA intends to implement it. In October 2022, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police characterized the program as “essentially an administrative process, not a policing issue” and suggested that it could be managed by organizations other than police services. This consideration would allow the police to focus “on those who refuse to follow the new law and, more importantly, on addressing border integrity, smuggling, and trafficking priorities.” A further setback was revealed in a Public Services and Procurement Canada memo that has received significant media attention in the past few weeks. It describes the agency’s request for information (RFI) posted on July 14, 2022, looking for feedback from the industry on their ability to support the delivery of the buyback program. The RFI closed on August 31, 2022, with very little interest.

With the Criminal Code amnesty expiry rapidly approaching, the GOA may need to consider another extension if they can’t get the mandatory buyback program worked out soon

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One of the main things the article missed is that there wasn't simply " very little interest" in the RFI. In fact, there was not even a single response. Zero. Nada. As in Dead In The Water.

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Gun control bill is a 'delicate conversation' house leader claims​


Conservative and New Democrat MPs oppose the amended Bill C-21. A majority of the public safety committee last December 13 voted to block attempts to speed passage of the bill and instead proposed a series of cross-country public hearings this spring.

New Democrat MP Alistair MacGregor (Cowichan-Malahat, BC) said initial support for Bill C-21 had evaporated due to cabinet’s amendment to broaden its scope. “Some members of my caucus had not received one single piece of correspondence until this amendment dropped and now it’s making up half their correspondence,” said MacGregor.

“In politics as in life trust is easily broken but it’s extremely hard to repair,” said MacGregor. “The way this amendment landed has frankly been a complete and total abuse of process.”

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Gun control bill is a 'delicate conversation' house leader claims

'We are having conversations over the last month with stakeholders on both sides. This is a very emotionally charged issue,' Mark Holland said.
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Hardy Guy said:
Libs pulled the amendments !! Now lets hear how they spin it after supporting it for so long and saying it was for the good of Canadians ! Lets hope they can get the rest of C21 stopped.
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its almost too bad they did not go through with it, they have been nosie diving in the polls since the amendments been out.
 

Facing anger in Liberal -- and other -- ranks, Trudeau pulls his gun ban, for now​


In a major climbdown, the Trudeau Liberals have halted their efforts to ban hundreds of hunting rifles.

The push, which began last November and was defended by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau himself until recently, saw the party lose the support of every opposition party and cause dissension in Liberal ranks.

At first the Trudeau government defended it and said they were not banning any hunting rifles or shotguns despite the clear evidence to the contrary. Eventually the government said that they would pause and listen to make sure they were getting it right, before Trudeau himself said in a year-end interview that some hunting guns need to be banned.

“It is not our intention to impact hunters,” Liberal House Leader Mark Holland said.

Holland invoked images of guns used in mass shootings, which this amendment didn’t come close to touching, it was all about hunting rifles and shotguns. The Liberals knew this despite months of denial and only pulled the amendments when they felt threatened electorally.

Liberal MPs have been sounding the alarm bell inside their own caucus since this started. It seems Trudeau’s office finally realized that if they moved ahead with these changes they wouldn’t win a single seat outside of major urban centres.

To show how out of touch the Trudeau Liberals were on this bill and these amendments, they lost the support of the NDP and the Bloc Quebecois. Isn’t it telling when the NDP is telling the Liberals to back off, that they are going too far on issues like this?

The Trudeau Liberals no longer listen to or speak to people who disagree with their urban, ultra-progressive agenda and it is showing.

The question now is whether they can undo the damage they have done before voters head to the polls in the next election to cast judgment.

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LILLEY: Facing anger in Liberal -- and other -- ranks, Trudeau pulls his gun ban, for now

Indigenous groups, hunters, farmers, even the NDP and some Liberal MPs asked Trudeau to stop his hunting gun ban. Why did it take so long?
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Mass homicide by firearm in Canada: Effects of legislation​

Abstract​

Canada implemented a series of laws regulating firearms including background checks and licensing, references, psychological questionnaires, prohibition of paramilitary style rifles, and magazine capacity restrictions in order to decrease the incidences and deaths from mass shootings. The associated effects of these laws were examined over the years 1974 to 2020. A model was constructed using difference-in-differences analysis of firearms and non-firearms mass homicide incidences and death rates. Mass homicides were defined as a homicide due to one event involving three or more deaths. Incidence rates of mass homicide by firearm were found to be 0.11 (95%CI 0.08, 0.14) per million compared to a non-firearm mass homicide rate of 0.12 (95% CI 0.10, 0.15) per million. Mass homicide death rates by firearm were found to be 0.39 (95% CI 0.29, 0.49) per million compared to a non-firearm mass homicide rate of 0.47 (95% CI 0.34, 0.61) per million. Overall, there is a gradual declining trend in the incidence of mass homicide by firearm (IRR 0.97 (95% CI 0.96, 0.98)) and by non-firearm (IRR 0.97 (95% CI 0.97, 0.98)). The decline in mass homicide death rate by firearm and non-firearm is IRR 0.96 (95% CI 0.95, 0.97), and IRR 0.97 (95% CI 0.96, 0.98) respectively. No specific associated decrease in mass homicide incidence rates or death rates with firearms legislation was found after the implementation of background checks and prohibition of full auto firearms in 1980, by the implementation of references and psychological questionnaires in 1994, by the restriction of magazine capacity in 1994, the prohibition of paramilitary rifles in 1994, or licensing in 2001.

Conclusions​

This is the first study to examine mass homicide in Canada as well as the association between legislative interventions controlling firearms and firearm mass homicide incidence rates and deaths. Over the period 1974 to 2020 the incidence and death rates associated with mass homicide gradually declined. Interestingly, interventions such as background checks, licensing, prohibition of military style firearms, and prohibiting large-capacity magazines, were not specifically associated with changes in the incidence and deaths by mass homicide by firearms. The benefit from the consistency of firearms regulations in Canada eliminates the confounders in US studies due to the differing regulations across states. Recommended areas for data collection by Statistics Canada to aid future study include locations of incidents, the interpersonal relationship between perpetrator and victim, and the perpetrator’s motivation for mass homicide.

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Mass homicide by firearm in Canada: Effects of legislation

Canada implemented a series of laws regulating firearms including background checks and licensing, references, psychological questionnaires, prohibition of paramilitary style rifles, and magazine capacity restrictions in order to decrease the incidences and deaths from mass shootings. The...
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